Organic or synthetic?

[rfilaroski]

which is it? I know this argument is played out, but if you see the video in the features section it shows a flash of webshooters on his arm!!!! what's up with that?

[DonHo]

if you know that it's played out- why frickin post?

and btw..which video?

[EienKelos]

I heard the rumors about the organic shooters. But I have recently seen footage and news reviews stating and showing Spidey's Synthetic shooters, they're not quite what Spidey fans are use to, but it looks pretty good. Check it out by watching the "Behind the Web" video in the feature section of the Spider-Man main start page.

[Kawi]

I thought what they settled on was sort of a compromise. He has organic shooters but uses a mechanical device, of his own design, to control the stream. The shooter you see in the vid is what Spidey uses to make netting, swinglines, etc.

[SpiderMarch]

Raimi will employ both. The idea is that Peter Parker, in the movie version, will be able to shoot webs from tiny organic "spinnerets" (See James Cameron's take on the character from his so-called 'Scriptment') that have "grown" into his wrists after the spider bite. Parker soon realizes that he can't get any precise control over the "liquid webbing" that shoots out so he fashions some wrist devices to help. With these devices, (the web shooters) he will be better able to control these "streams" of organic goo...like shooting out a thin web line or generating a wide, net like thingy.

I think it's a novel idea and one that should satisfy the diehard fans. Raimi wants to play up the fact that after nerdy Parker is bitten, he still struggles with the fact that he will forever remain an outcast, a nerd, a nobody despite his amazing abilities. Having this sticky goo emanating from your wrists strengthens that ideology.

Hope that sheds some light.

[severly]

I have to agree with SpiderMarch as far as the concept goes. The reason Spiderman has such a huge fan base is because he is a pretty regular person like most of us. While we appreciate Peter's intelligence, when we see him develop a synthetic web fluid in his bedroom which is beyond the ability of Dupont and 3M corporations, he becomes more difficult to relate to. Devising a way to control organic web fluid by a synthetic means is a nice way of developing Peter's character as an intellegent, inventive person, but not so much so that we start down the "Yeah right!" path.

[icspidey]

The shooters are from the wrists just like the real thing. I don't know what you people are "debating" about. All I know is what I saw as an extra was cool. I'm telling you people.... The movie is going to be a box office smash. I'd give tobey an oscar. Access Hollywood says that he's one of the most powerful actors 25 years and younger. Well, I shouldn't talk too much. I,...no, WE should wait and see. It's just a little more than a year away-- AW man!

[mventour]

How does Spidey use these mechanical controls? Do they consist of little tubes that he jams into his spinnerettes? If that's the way he uses them, wouldn't that hurt, get sore, or infected?
Or do they just mount onto the spinnerette openings? Can someone fill in these blanks for me?

[Gravis]

Well I have been a Spidey fan for quite awhile now and I can relate to the character as I have followed him for years. I would just like to say in regard to the web shooters that I think that it should just be left as it was originally created by the writers. In other words leave it so that Peter creats the web shooters, I don't believe that it is unrealistic as Peter is an intellegent person and to develope web shooters is an innovation on his part using his biotechnology and science base knowledge. Who's to say he was not motivated to come up with this device after learning he has such great powers to help people? After his uncle Ben was murdered he came to terms with himself and realized with great power comes great responsibility. This realization would have a part in Peter's determination to harness his knowledge and develop these famous web shooters that are a part of Spideys awsome arsenal of abilities. Let's just look at the web shooters as a symbol of Peter's intellegence and his determination to use his great power with great responsibility....

[Maximum]

Like the rest of the true fans, I was pissed off at the idea of organic web-spinners. But now, after so many months, I've come to have mix feelings. Here're my arguments:

ORGANIC: I have a Rose Hair Tarantula by the name of Ben. A few weeks ago, he began to spin himself a web mat that'll allow him protection during his molt. As I watched him, on and off, spinning his web, I noticed something. Ben was dragging his butt all over the place adhering his fluid to the floor. That sprung something in my mind and I thought to myself, *No matter what's said or done, Spider-Man NEEDS his web-shooters.* Raimi said it perfectly in his pre-production interview that (paraphrasing), Why should Peter be endowed with only four of his five well-known traits? With this in mind, I am willing to except organic web-spinners as long as they are accompanied by mechanical shooters. Thank God they are.

Synthetic: There is only one name I should have to say in order to back up this defense: Stan "the Man" Lee. He is, more or less, Peter Parker's God. If not for Stan Lee, there would be no Spider-Man... at least not the one we know and love. Stan Lee never gave Peter organic web-shooters. Why? Who knows, who cares? Why is it that people always feel the need to change things that aren't broken? Someone above me wrote something like, by Peter making his own web fluid, it pushes us apart from him. Something like that. Well, how about this? He STICKS to walls! I'm pretty sure no one we know can do that, not without holding on for dear life. Ever think that maybe that bite inputted the protein codes for webbing inside Peter's mind? That's a pretty wise theory if I do say so myself. And the mechanical devices? Just like they did in the "new" Ultimate Spider-Man series. Have it so that he got the blueprints from his dad's old secret agent stuff.

I know that all I wrote may not make too much sense (since at the moment I'm arguing with myself what it should be: organic or synthetic), but overall, I look at those little knickknacks. I love Spider-Man. I believe he is the greatest character in the history of the world. I'm not worrying about how the story and plot will turn out because I know I'm going to love it no matter what. To me, when you make movies like Spider-Man, X-men, Blade... I'm looking for those little knickknacks that shouldn't belong. The story could be worse than Plan 9 From Outer Space, but as long as Spidey has organic web-shooters, the TRADITIONAL red spider on his back, and having Dr. Octopus NOT at the science exhibition, I'm going to think it's the greatest flick ever! "But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong."

[compsith]

The video that we all saw is the TEST footage that Image works released for the money makers of the movie to show what they can do if they chose them. It was most likely made before Rami stated that he was making the web-shooters organic.

[asdf_rulez]

I like the organic stuff... I mean it makes him "sronger" when he doesn't has to look if his little "bottle" is empty or not. I hope it is organic and not syntetic I like that idea

[DarthBrian]

Well, as far as the organics go, I make no secret of my hatred for them. They ruin the character of Peter Parker to such an extreme as to make him no longer interesting. The whole point of Peter Parker as Spider-Man is that at any time he could just stop putting on the costume and be a normal person. But with these glandural abominations on his wrists, he has no choice whatsoever except to put on the tights and fight crime. Because they will constantly remind him of who he is. All Peter Parker in the comic books has to remind him who he is, is the idea of "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility".
And I don't think many people will be turned on by the idea of Spider-Man shooting bodily fluids onto bad guys, let alone the skys****ers of New York. Ewwww. Who gets to clean up that mess

[ultmatgambit]

I think the idea of an organic shooter is a cool idea. I mean come on we're in the 21st century, it's bound that some stuff change. We can't always be stuck on the past. I agree that his webshooters make him look kinda weak. I mean come on what happens when he wastes all his webbing during a fight, he goes home and says "can you wait for me I just have to replace my web cartridges." Come on people wake up and be realistic. He got bit by a spider right well you don't see a spider running around with webshooters. He got all the strengths and abilities from the spider,why not the organic webbing. Why Not???

[yoda3647]

Why not,... Well If he does have organic webbing then the webbing would have to come out of his rear end. I have yet to see a Spider that shoots webbs from his wrist. What I remember is that P.P came up with the formula for webbing from the bite of the spider, so you can see why 3M has not invented it yet, not to mention why would they need to invent webbing, cause P.P webbing desolves in about an hour, 3M would want to make it last forever or atleast a whole lot longer. So if you think of it that way P.P really did not have to make a complete formula becuase it destabalises(sp?) in one hour.

[spidernjcoda]

I am compelled to reply to Darth's Post in which he states that the choice of organic shooters went so far as to make the character of Peter Parker boring???? c'mon what are you thinking There cannot be too much love flowing in you for the character to begin with if something as trivial as wheither his shooters were manufactured by him or if they were among the gifts he recieved post bite, is going to make you call him uninteresting. It is such a tiiny aspect of the his personality, did he make them, are the imbedded in his wrists? who cares? he is not going to be defined by them in no means by me or any other true Peter Parker fan. I had the great fortune to speak to Sam Rami about his decision to make them organic and his explanation echoed the one he gave at the press conference, and to be quite honest, I thought it was a copout saying "well I figured if he had the other traits....." I think the real reason he made the change was because of the major unlikelyhood of a teenager being able to come up with such a formula, Bravo, I have always thought that it was far fetched that he would be able to , I always believed it was a mistake to not have them be natural to begin with. Also, Peter NEVER could just resume a normal life!!! to think that peter could take his costume off and his shooters at any time and be normal, but what makes his so great is he chooses not to is to err in understanding the character. it has throughout spideys career been well do***ented that just the opposite is true, no matter how hard he tried he could never ever rid himself of spider-man, never be normal and he HAS tried, to no avail. Bottom line is it is a movie just a director's adaptation of Spider-Man, It is sams vision for a "Today" Spider-Man" it is NOT the final say about him, heck it has no bearing on the marvel universe what so ever. and that is where Spidey is defined.

[Ultmtegambit]

could not have put it better myself spidernj. It really does not matter if he has them or not. But it would seem cool in todays age to see him with and organic you know to be a bit more cooler. think about it whenever he wanted to shoot his webbing he could do it anytime he wanted to instead of putting his web shooters. Just trying to be in todays age and era. and no it doesn't have to come out through his rear end like someone posted before. He's not a spider he just got bite by one and adopted what the spider had. He's human so he has to be different. duh

[dukeyman]

Having organic shooters makes a lot of sense. Would you be a true spider without natural webbing? No! Just because you can jump and stick on walls does not make you a spiderman. That simply means you are ant man with great strength speed or frog man because you can jump great distances. Or fly man because you can sense danger and avoid it swiftly. To be a true spider you need webs. Wait oh yes and if you just had webbing as your power you would be silkworm man. To have all these is what makes spiderman delightful because in the little critter world the spider seems like the most coolest and aggressive of all species which is why the great responsibility ideology keeps popping up. If you were silkman or frogman or antman or flyman you would just sound stupid and fruity but with spiderman you are too cool to begin with so you can't be too ****y. OH AND HAVING SYNTHETIC WEBSHOOTERS-I MEAN HOW MUCH FLUID CAN THEY CONTAIN BEFORE THEY BECOME EFFICIENT YET BULKY? WHAT IF THE SYNTHETIC WEBSHOOTER MALFUNCTION BECAUSE IT LOSES BATTER POWER? IF YOU HAVE ORGANIC WEB SHOOTERS YOU CAN JUST MAKE THE FLUID AND THROW THE WEBBING ONTO A BUILDING AND SINCE BEING SPIDERMAN OFFERS GREAT STRENGTH YOU CAN THROW IT TO FAR DISTANCES THAT YOU WON'T EVEN NEED THE DEVICE FOR SHOOTING IT.

[SpiderGod313]

Just a note to everyone. Just because the webs a re organic does not mean that they are unlimitless. If you think about it i believe that you would understand that his body could only produse so much fluid. He would have to eat or rest or something before he could produce more.

If this happened he would again have to rely on his mental prowess to get himself out of situations. In fact this could be a disadvatage since it would take longer to produce new webbing. He could not just delay the enemy until he was able to go to a stash of webbing he might have left in his backpack. I don't think this effects the character too much if they impliment this line of thinking into the movie.

[drummerboy]

The only thing I'd be disapointed in, if they decide on organic web shooters is that they won't be able to add one of the best spiderman trademarks into the movie: when spiderman fights an enemie over some rooftops and suddenly runs out of web fluid and starts to plummet to his death only to replace his cartidge at the last possible minute saving his life. Unless Parker's got like a web fluid bladder that gets empty every once in a while, this classic spidey-dilema won't happen. Oh well. The movie's still gonna kick-***.

[DarthBrian]

well, I have to say one thing at least to my comrade spidernjcoda. How dare you question my love of the character? I grew up with Spider-man. Spider-man on The Electric Company is what got me started on reading comic books in the first place. I've been reading Spider-Man comics all my life, until Marvel screwed him up with that lousy clone wars story line. Ugh. Dropped him like a bad habit because they were destroying the character that I loved. Okay? I'm starting to pick the comic up again now that a decent writer is writing the title and we'll see what he does with the character. I hope it's good.
I've also been reading the Ultimate Spider-Man series by Brian Michael Bendis. As I was reading this series, I was thinking "Man, if the movie used this storyline, I could die a happy man." That's how in tune with the character BMB is. And no organic webshooters. The webfluid is invented, but not completed, by Peter's dad. Peter just finishes up. That is defintely a more logical way for Peter to end up with the webfluid.
And, in point of fact, they actually did do a storyline in the comics where Peter gives up being a crimefighter only to come to terms, once again, with his responsibility

[XBane]

Synthetic webbing and secreted webbing both have possibilities. Consider : In theory PP can only produce so much webbing be it out of glands or out of a chemical proscess. However spiderman has on numerous occasions ran out of webbing and on an equally frequent ocassions he has had the forsight to bring spare webbing. He has also used webbing cartriges as grenades. When he fought the sinister six with ghost rider, the fantastic four, and the hulk; he went so far as to rig a tank full of the stuff. Mind you someone shot the tank and webbing exploded out of it. But the point is the with synthetic webbing in his shooters -instead of milking his glands on demand- spiderman has the option of bringing more webbing if nescisary whereas you can only milk a gland for so much and then you have to wait a while. The whole aspect of peter having the forsight to plan ahead and use comon sense is taken out of the picture. On a further note there have been numerous occasions when Spidy has mixed up special batches off webbing to deal with specific super villians. How is he supposed to do that with glands ? Start eating polymers and flame retardent starches ?

As a plot device glands are ok. But for Spidy to get creative he has to be able to work outside the box so to speak.

If it is not broke why fix it ?

The allknowing Stan Lee thinks a chemistery set and web shooters are a good way to go. Why argue with the man?

[godhood]

I have read all the post here and I'm going to put my two cents worth. First and foremost I have been a spider man fan since I was a kid many moons ago. I just started recently reading spider man again because I've heard so much good things about "Ultimate Spiderman" which is by far one of the best I have ever read in a long time on the character itself. At first I was sort of leaning towards Organic, but then I remembered what if Peter Parker never got bit by a radioactive spider. He would probably be a scientist in some lab somewhere he clearly was an intelligent person. Even though he was a regular guy, his future was science. So if you really think about it he created his synthetic webs by using his brain. I say keep Synthetic webing in the movie but since the movie is only two hours long I think they're going to take the shortcut. I really hope this movie turns out to be great, and the sequels don't suck like on the Batman movie's.

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[Symbspid]

I just finished reading all your posts, and I honestly don't know anymore wether or not it matters about the web shooters. There are a lot of good and bad points about both sides of the argument. Organic or Synthetic? That is the question.
Synthetic: Cool cliffhanger, as mentioned above. Classic Marvel. Running out of web fluid during a battle? Good. It's what makes Spidey, well, Spidey. Without synthetic webbing, you divert yourself away from Stan Lee and Steve Ditko's original idea.
Organic: Web fluid out of his ***? Eeewww!! On the other hand, this is the 21st century, as someone mentioned above. Maybe it would be cool for Spidey to have to hide his wrists in front of his peers. Other than that, I can't really support that idea.
The winner? To me, I'd have to go with Synthetic. Classic Spidey is the best Spidey!!! End of discussion.

[Neo64]

I should think that organic web shooters are the best because if Peter Parker was such a genius he would have a great job and a nice house and not have to live with his aunt. What I'm trying to say is that Peter Parker is just a student, how would he know how to build such a device to controll his webbing? I noticed this in the cartoon and decided it would be an excelent point here.

[DarthBrian]

In the comics, they did a story where Peter tries to sell his formula to 3M or some company and they're very interested. When he says it only lasts for an hour or so, they say "what use is this to us? We need it to be permanent". So, the whole "he'd be a millionaire off his formula" theory has been shot down.

Also, just to defend organics a little bit, but while at the same time take away from them, you can still do the "he runs out of webfluid" thing. His body can't produce unlimited quantities of this stuff. He must run out eventually. Which means that it'd be even more scary cuz he can't just plug in another cartridge before splatting on the ground. He'd have to pull out a Power Bar(tm) from his Spidey-Fanny-Pack(tm) and mack out to fill his reserves before he goes splat.
of course, I'm sure that process takes a while, the web-fluid being a bodily fluid and all that, and he'd probably go splat anyway. :

[GELFLING]

Sorry all but i have to agree with DarthB MECHANICAL have always been the way as far as i'm concerned along with fellow co-workers!. I PERSONALLY will be at Comic Con International along with some of those co-workers. i will also personally be bringing letters from those i know that are un-able to attend due to work or other family matters basically stating those persons dislike/disgust of organic webshooters!.

[GELFLING]

WELL after seeing the webshooter screensaver available in the spider-man network i have to retract some of what i said earlier now i'm just going to state that either way it's clear PARKER'S BRILLIANCE AS A SCIENTIST WILL COME OUT JUST FINE!. after seeing just how truly intricate his new shooters are but i'm still going to try to convince SAM at Comic Con International along with thousands of others to make them fully mechanical but if all else fails at least it will work out either way BUT I'M SURE GONNA TRY TO GET SYNTHETICS ACCOMPLISHED & GET SPIDEY BACK TO BASICS!.

[shawndx]

Dont Organic Web shooters make Spiderman more like a mutant??
Isnt he just supposed to be a normal human being that just accidently got the ability to stick to walls.

[kaiken]

no in order to be a mutant you have to be born with th power with spidey it was an acident..

[LizMarieNYC]

Just to emphasise on drummerboys theory, one of the greatest things about Spiderman is that he thinks fast. That is what his Mecca (I just saw AI) web shooters provide. I mean, he's fighting an evil guy like the Green Goblin or something or Venom, and he falls down one of the Manhattan office buildings. You know how many countless times that has happened? And Spidey still survived.

I think making the web shooters organic takes the fun out of watching him falling, it's the thrill you see and even though you know he'll still live you don't know how he'll do it. Suspense is the key here ladies and gentlemen. Besides, I think it does make him more of a mutant. This is Spiderman not X-Men even though they cameo-ed each other once. Remember Wolverine?

[kaiken]

no it does nort make him more of a mutant check out spidey 2099 it the same exact thing

[JOOLYCARNAGE]

where can ı see organic web shooters photos?

[Vocs2]

I know that this issue has been debated for like a year now, but I thought of something that nobody has yet to mention!! One of Raimi's reasons for using organics in the movie is that it will bring us closer to the character. That the genetic alteration seems more likely than a young boy actually making something like webshooters/ fluid. But I recall a comment that SPIDER-MAN made on the 1990's FOX cartoon series. It was some episode with that old "spider lady" or something. But Spider-Man was talking to this young girl, and she asked him how he makes his web fluid, and he said that the spider bite gave him THE KNOWLEDGE OF ASSEMBLING CERTAIN PROTEINS IN CERTAIN ORDER, so he could make the web fluid. Being a genius, and a n expert chemist, I am absolutely sure that Peter Parker could have figured out how to manufacture the web fluid from the knowledge he obtained from the spider bite. THis would have been way more believeable than anything else!!!!!! What do you think?

[DarthBrian]

That's an interesting theory.
I don't really have a problem with that.
In fact, it's a lot better than organics. :)
I also like the way Brian Michael Bendis explains it in Ultimate Spider-Man as I have already stated. His father was a brilliant scientist who was working on the formula, but he died before he could complete it. Later, Peter finishes the formula and invents the webfluid based on it.

[diehard]

Sorry people, if Peter was meant to have organic web shooters Stan "the Man" Lee would have given it to him. Once again a bunch of money grubbing hollywood types have taken a loved icon and ruined it. As of this posting I'm 80% sure I won't go see it and won't spend my money on any of the "novelty" items that are sure to come out prior to it. This saddens me as I've loved reading about Peter and his life for the past 20 years and have most if not all of his story available to read at a moments notice. Until they make them synthetic make mine Marvel!!!!