Venom vs Kraven

[the forsaker]

I obviously have to say Venom.

[Ock/G.Goblin]

Ok, have you been having too much Christmas booze today?? :D

[the forsaker]

Probably.:LOL:

[Arcainite]

Venom wouldn't stand a chance...Kraven could definately use sonic and fire weaponry to get the win. And someone with senses as sharp as Kraven's is not going to get snuck up on by somebody that lumbering, sticking to walls or not. Heck, even Spider-Man had a hard time sneaking up on him if at all.

A more equal fight would be if they just bumped into each other and started fighting...then it could go either way. It really depends on who's hunting who.

[calebyourmaster]

ill go venom...dont have a reason...just think it would turn out that way

[The Boy of Hell]

venom habe more posibility to winnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn and the other shed dont habe posibilities:( :(

[BLACK-SPIDEY]

venom habe more posibility to winnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn and the other shed dont habe posibilities:( :(

look out with your grammar you write like a 3 grader.

and yeah venom could:
1.grab kraven
2.crach his bones.
3.broke him into pieces.
4.eat him.
5.squish him like a mosquito.

[the forsaker]

Yup.

[webhead988]

Venom

[The Boy of Hell]

look out with your grammar you write like a 3 grader.

and yeah venom could:
1.grab kraven
2.crach his bones.
3.broke him into pieces.
4.eat him.
5.squish him like a mosquito.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahah:D

[LudaChris]

Ok, have you been having too much Christmas booze today?? :D

all that eggnog,....seriously, no more of these threads.

[the forsaker]

Why?

[LudaChris]

Why?

because they're irritating and pointless.

[the forsaker]

Not neccesarilly in this case.

[LudaChris]

Not neccesarilly in this case.

yes they are, just please stop

[the forsaker]

If it bugs you a lot man then just don't post.

[LudaChris]

If it bugs you a lot man then just don't post.

They're pretty useless though

[the forsaker]

whatever you say.

[Arcainite]

look out with your grammar you write like a 3 grader.

and yeah venom could:
1.grab kraven
2.crach his bones.
3.broke him into pieces.
4.eat him.
5.squish him like a mosquito.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahah:D

Venom couldn't even beat the Punisher! It was in Venom: Funeral Pyre I believe. Punisher used flamethrower and stuff from his battle van. And Punisher doesn't have superstrength, agility, or super senses. Kraven does. So go look it up and look who's laughing now. LOL

[Ock/G.Goblin]

Venom couldn't even beat the Punisher! It was in Venom: Funeral Pyre I believe. Punisher used flamethrower and stuff from his battle van. And Punisher doesn't have superstrength, agility, or super senses. Kraven does. So go look it up and look who's laughing now. LOL

Get outta' town. Punisher beat Venom??

Well, how about that.

[Arcainite]

Get outta' town. Punisher beat Venom??

Well, how about that.

If I don't take it easy they might revoke my honorific of being a gentleman.
I'm sorry.
I just got so used to being in defensive mode when people are talking about Kraven (or someone else that I like) that I probably came off as being a bit hostile. So I'm calm now.
After Punisher beats Venom though they team up. I know...weird. I think they were forced to to be able to win.

[Jick07]

Venom win.
Venom win.
Venom win.

most of the guys like to think in a way of someone beat Venom.
It's anoying.
You guys don't like Venom? Like to see he being defeated?
I usually hear: "Doc can use weaponry to squash Venom", "Punisher can use fire of the van to burn the symbiote", "Kraven can beat him in a hunt"...
what will say next???
Chameleon will transform himself in Carnage to beat Venom?
Scorpion will use acid and deteriorate Venom?
BULLSHI.T!
Sorry if I'm being such arrogant, but thats the truth.
If two villains fight each other to test the might, the force, and who is the best in a fight, they have to do this in an one-a-one fight, with their own abilities, and not with help from others, extra weaponry and mainly traps.

I only hope somebody with good sense understands what I am talking.

[Arcainite]

Venom win.
Venom win.
Venom win.

most of the guys like to think in a way of someone beat Venom.
It's anoying.
You guys don't like Venom? Like to see he being defeated?
I usually hear: "Doc can use weaponry to squash Venom", "Punisher can use fire of the van to burn the symbiote", "Kraven can beat him in a hunt"...
what will say next???
Chameleon will transform himself in Carnage to beat Venom?
Scorpion will use acid and deteriorate Venom?
BULLSHI.T!
Sorry if I'm being such arrogant, but thats the truth.
If two villains fight each other to test the might, the force, and who is the best in a fight, they have to do this in an one-a-one fight, with their own abilities, and not with help from others, extra weaponry and mainly traps.

I only hope somebody with good sense understands what I am talking.

But traps are one of Kraven's signature M.O.'s. (modus operandi)

[Jick07]

But traps are one of Kraven's signature M.O.'s. (modus operandi)

modus operandi? what is this?
I'm felling like a dumb here:cry:

[LudaChris]

I guess he means his shtick

[The Boy of Hell]

Venom couldn't even beat the Punisher! It was in Venom: Funeral Pyre I believe. Punisher used flamethrower and stuff from his battle van. And Punisher doesn't have superstrength, agility, or super senses. Kraven does. So go look it up and look who's laughing now. LOL

you habe reason

[Eddie Brock Jr.]

I obviously have to say Venom.

Venom would easily beat just about every other Spider-Man nemesis, excluding Electro; Doctor Octopus; and Carnage.

[Arcainite]

Venom would easily beat just about every other Spider-Man nemesis, excluding Electro; Doctor Octopus; and Carnage.

What about Shriek vs Venom? Or Shocker?

[Eddie Brock Jr.]

What about Shriek vs Venom? Or Shocker?

Symbiotes know how to beat other symbiotes. Shocker might pose a threat with his gauntlets, but if Venom can dodge (which he can) he would win.

[Arcainite]

Symbiotes know how to beat other symbiotes. Shocker might pose a threat with his gauntlets, but if Venom can dodge (which he can) he would win.

Shriek is not a symbiote.....
http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/shriek.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shriek_%28comics%29

[Eddie Brock Jr.]

Shriek is not a symbiote.....
http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/shriek.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shriek_%28comics%29

Sorry, I was thinking of Scream. I don't know if he could, because I've never read about her in a comic.

[Arcainite]

Sorry, I was thinking of Scream. I don't know if he could, because I've never read about her in a comic.

Happened to me the other day when I thought Green Goblin was in the Sinister Six. DOH! Silly me. Just forget things sometimes...I did notice that Green Goblin and Doctor Octopus seem to be such rivals as the archenemy of Spider-Man that they don't seem to want to work together (mainly Green Goblin seems jealous of Doc Ock...that and Doc Ock is CRAZZZZZZZZZZZY).

[Arcainite]

Shriek is not a symbiote.....
http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/shriek.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shriek_%28comics%29

Or can we just discuss here? Shriek vs Venom, any thoughts? She used to hang with Carnage but now hates him.
He used to be Spider-Man's costume and a guy busted for writing false news about the Sin-Eater.
Who would win? I say Shriek just because I like the thought of her giving him a beat-down.

[Arcainite]

Or can we just discuss here? Shriek vs Venom, any thoughts? She used to hang with Carnage but now hates him.
He used to be Spider-Man's costume and a guy busted for writing false news about the Sin-Eater.
Who would win? I say Shriek just because I like the thought of her giving him a beat-down.

I find it funny that as soon as I bumped this thread, the votes for Venom started going up. I expected it though. But what about Shriek vs Venom? You guys are not afraid to vote but are you afraid to talk about Venom vs a sonic-power supervillainess who has a thing against symbiotes?

[arman200]

shriek would most definitely win. She's sonic powered, so that'd be like putting superman up against a kryptonite monster.:LOL:

[Arcainite]

shriek would most definitely win. She's sonic powered, so that'd be like putting superman up against a kryptonite monster.:LOL:

But if that was the case, then why was Carnage able to escape her wrath after he killed Doppleganger? Or did the writers just kind of forget about that?

[xXKISS::KISSXx]

I don't really think it's Who is stronger, but who can last the longest. I mean, We see spiderman vs. Green Goblin in the first movie and GB Was kicking sm butt; But spiderman never gave up and that's how he won. I know you guys are thinking "ya well he's spiderman". Same Thing. He could face the strongest villian of them all and beat them without loosing hope and not giving up. Same goes for Venom. I don't really know who would win??

[bmwdriver]

Venom wouldn't stand a chance...Kraven could definately use sonic and fire weaponry to get the win. And someone with senses as sharp as Kraven's is not going to get snuck up on by somebody that lumbering, sticking to walls or not. Heck, even Spider-Man had a hard time sneaking up on him if at all.

A more equal fight would be if they just bumped into each other and started fighting...then it could go either way. It really depends on who's hunting who.


Just because U are a Kraven fan, doesn't mean he will win!:LOL: VENOM will sure win 'cause he is more powerful (U see the options up: Break Kraven's Bones and more) and before Kraven could use a sonic gun or fire Venom would break his neck and finish him off easily!!!! And Kraven couldn't outsmart Venom (not because Venom is a f***in' genius cause he isn't, but he's not a dumb a*s either Brock isn't stupid like some other villains! - and i'm not reffering to Doc Ock or GG 'cause they are smart so don't say it, i know!) ! Venom beats Kraven at all points: Agility, Power, Speed, at Intelligence Venom is probaly a little more intelligent than Kraven (not that Kraven is stupid 'cause he is wise too and makes good traps).....:venom:

[bmwdriver]

Venom win.
Venom win.
Venom win.

most of the guys like to think in a way of someone beat Venom.
It's anoying.
You guys don't like Venom? Like to see he being defeated?
I usually hear: "Doc can use weaponry to squash Venom", "Punisher can use fire of the van to burn the symbiote", "Kraven can beat him in a hunt"...
what will say next???
Chameleon will transform himself in Carnage to beat Venom?
Scorpion will use acid and deteriorate Venom?
BULLSHI.T!
Sorry if I'm being such arrogant, but thats the truth.
If two villains fight each other to test the might, the force, and who is the best in a fight, they have to do this in an one-a-one fight, with their own abilities, and not with help from others, extra weaponry and mainly traps.

I only hope somebody with good sense understands what I am talking.

U tell 'em man!!!!! Venom 4 ever! :thanks:

[Arcainite]

Just because U are a Kraven fan, doesn't mean he will win!:LOL: VENOM will sure win 'cause he is more powerful (U see the options up: Break Kraven's Bones and more) and before Kraven could use a sonic gun or fire Venom would break his neck and finish him off easily!!!! And Kraven couldn't outsmart Venom (not because Venom is a f***in' genius cause he isn't, but he's not a dumb a*s either Brock isn't stupid like some other villains! - and i'm not reffering to Doc Ock or GG 'cause they are smart so don't say it, i know!) ! Venom beats Kraven at all points: Agility, Power, Speed, at Intelligence Venom is probaly a little more intelligent than Kraven (not that Kraven is stupid 'cause he is wise too and makes good traps).....:venom:

It's funny you should say that because I think that's how alot of Venom fans vote. Because they like Venom not because they are thinking about it.

Just look at their track records though.
Kraven can get the job done.
Venom is still slobbering about killing Spider-Man. Kraven's already done it.
And I don't think you realize how powerful Kraven is up close. Not to mention his vest has hidden weaponry to avoid such a contingency. I can prove it with issue #s if you don't believe me. But besides that, he is a more accomplished fighter. It's true he's not as strong, but even Daredevil was no match for his martial arts. It was only because he had Black Widow with him that he won.
And you want to talk about up close and personal fighting? Go read Kraven's Last Hunt and see how he dealt with someone of a superior strength: Vermin. Basically, I'm not asking anyone to like Kraven. I am just asking them to respect him. RESPECT! If everybody all of a sudden started liking my favorites I would have to start questioning why they are my favorites. I have seen people start off hating Kraven who now think he is alright or even a good choice for a movie.
I don't think Venom will get enough of a chance to break Kraven's neck. That's my honest opinion. Maybe if Kraven was wearing his black spidey suit, but certainly not if he's wearing his lion vest.

[bmwdriver]

It's funny you should say that because I think that's how alot of Venom fans vote. Because they like Venom not because they are thinking about it.

Just look at their track records though.
Kraven can get the job done.
Venom is still slobbering about killing Spider-Man. Kraven's already done it.
And I don't think you realize how powerful Kraven is up close. Not to mention his vest has hidden weaponry to avoid such a contingency. I can prove it with issue #s if you don't believe me. But besides that, he is a more accomplished fighter. It's true he's not as strong, but even Daredevil was no match for his martial arts. It was only because he had Black Widow with him that he won.
And you want to talk about up close and personal fighting? Go read Kraven's Last Hunt and see how he dealt with someone of a superior strength: Vermin. Basically, I'm not asking anyone to like Kraven. I am just asking them to respect him. RESPECT! If everybody all of a sudden started liking my favorites I would have to start questioning why they are my favorites. I have seen people start off hating Kraven who now think he is alright or even a good choice for a movie.
I don't think Venom will get enough of a chance to break Kraven's neck. That's my honest opinion. Maybe if Kraven was wearing his black spidey suit, but certainly not if he's wearing his lion vest.

Oh man......Like i've already told U Arcainite, I DO NOT HATE Kraven!!!!! I know about The Vermin Story and also agree with U on the Fans who Voted maybe some of them vote just because they like him (Venom).... But I still think Venom could beat him there is a difference between Daredevil & Venom U know! U see, Venom isn't a Hero, U attack him and he kills U, in other words U are his enemy, he doesn't live with the guilty conscience If he has first chance to kill Kravy he will believe me! Spidey will never be like that (and I admire him for that because that's what bein' a Hero is all about!!!)
What was that all about: Kraven killed Spidey, or did he just burried him alive huh?!?
And don't worry about Spidey, he sure outsmarted Kraven many times.....

[BackinBlack07]

Venom will eat his brains. :venom:

[Arcainite]

Oh man......Like i've already told U Arcainite, I DO NOT HATE Kraven!!!!! I know about The Vermin Story and also agree with U on the Fans who Voted maybe some of them vote just because they like him (Venom).... But I still think Venom could beat him there is a difference between Daredevil & Venom U know! U see, Venom isn't a Hero, U attack him and he kills U, in other words U are his enemy, he doesn't live with the guilty conscience If he has first chance to kill Kravy he will believe me! Spidey will never be like that (and I admire him for that because that's what bein' a Hero is all about!!!)
What was that all about: Kraven killed Spidey, or did he just burried him alive huh?!?
And don't worry about Spidey, he sure outsmarted Kraven many times.....

For all intents and purposes, Kraven killed Spider-Man. Spider-Man lost a WEEK of comic-book time...a week of comic-book time is roughly equivalent to 3-4 months of real time. Kraven left it up to the fates/God to decide. There was a very real chance that he would not be able to make it to the surface when the drugs wore off. If he hadn't been able to make it out of the grave, he would be dead. Kraven meanwhile had been going out as Spider-Man to prove a point. He busted up a warehouse full of criminals with guns without weapons himself. He beat up the street thugs and muggers, including saving Mary Jane. He defeated a supervillain that Spider-Man could not defeat alone. This put his mind at ease that the times he was defeated truly were chalked up to LUCK and chance. Kraven didn't realize that it's not about who can beat who, because he had beaten Spider-Man more than once. It's about what kind of man you are. He realized that Spider-Man was neccessary for the world. That's why, when he released Vermin in his mansion and Vermin was about to kill Spider-Man, Kraven saved his life then let both of them go. Of course, he knew Spider-Man would go after Vermin. He knew Spider-Man would come back for him too. That's why he left the note telling the authorities that he had been Spider-Man for the past week and to not blame the death of the criminal in the warehouse on him. He knew that he could defeat Spider-Man again because he would be weakened from his fight with Vermin if he survived. But he knew that Spider-Man was a man of honor as was he. He never unmasked Spider-Man. Much like the world of luche libra wrestling, he understood about the honor of the mask. He was never interested in hunting down Peter Parker. Only Spider-Man. The world needs Spider-Man. There was nothing left for Kraven to prove anymore. And in the end, Spider-Man and Kraven would come to terms with what had happened. (Soul of the Hunter one-shot)
Also, just wanted to say that Kraven is attacked by things that want to kill him on a regular basis. Whether they be a mountain gorilla, a crocodile, a lion, tiger, or dinosaurs in the Savage Land, Kraven has conquered them all. These fantasy match-ups are rather childish but they are fun. I knew that Venom would probably be more popular. I can even see Marvel doing something like this with Alyosha Kravinoff and one of the Venoms. I just wanted a chance for my favorite villain, Kraven the Hunter, to have a voice and fair representation. Instead of, "Oh Kraven sucks because he has a moustache." That was because of the time he was created in. The time of the Bolshevik Revolution. Or perhaps, "Kraven sucks because he wears leopard skin pants and a lion mane vest." Yeah, and he probably killed them with his bare hands. It's no different from headhunters wearing shrunken heads or Predators wearing skulls of their kills. Sergei Kravinoff was born a disturbed noble. He witnessed his country's complete upheaval and spent his life in the jungles of Africa. They said his mother was insane. I wouldn't doubt that his father was too. Just look at his half-brother the Chameleon. You say that Kraven is not used to fighting something that wants to kill him. I say you're even crazier than he was if you believe that.

[LudaChris]

Eh, I think Kraven could win on this one.
Maybe. I could see it going both ways.

[bmwdriver]

For all intents and purposes, Kraven killed Spider-Man. Spider-Man lost a WEEK of comic-book time...a week of comic-book time is roughly equivalent to 3-4 months of real time. Kraven left it up to the fates/God to decide. There was a very real chance that he would not be able to make it to the surface when the drugs wore off. If he hadn't been able to make it out of the grave, he would be dead. Kraven meanwhile had been going out as Spider-Man to prove a point. He busted up a warehouse full of criminals with guns without weapons himself. He beat up the street thugs and muggers, including saving Mary Jane. He defeated a supervillain that Spider-Man could not defeat alone. This put his mind at ease that the times he was defeated truly were chalked up to LUCK and chance. Kraven didn't realize that it's not about who can beat who, because he had beaten Spider-Man more than once. It's about what kind of man you are. He realized that Spider-Man was neccessary for the world. That's why, when he released Vermin in his mansion and Vermin was about to kill Spider-Man, Kraven saved his life then let both of them go. Of course, he knew Spider-Man would go after Vermin. He knew Spider-Man would come back for him too. That's why he left the note telling the authorities that he had been Spider-Man for the past week and to not blame the death of the criminal in the warehouse on him. He knew that he could defeat Spider-Man again because he would be weakened from his fight with Vermin if he survived. But he knew that Spider-Man was a man of honor as was he. He never unmasked Spider-Man. Much like the world of luche libra wrestling, he understood about the honor of the mask. He was never interested in hunting down Peter Parker. Only Spider-Man. The world needs Spider-Man. There was nothing left for Kraven to prove anymore. And in the end, Spider-Man and Kraven would come to terms with what had happened. (Soul of the Hunter one-shot)
Also, just wanted to say that Kraven is attacked by things that want to kill him on a regular basis. Whether they be a mountain gorilla, a crocodile, a lion, tiger, or dinosaurs in the Savage Land, Kraven has conquered them all. These fantasy match-ups are rather childish but they are fun. I knew that Venom would probably be more popular. I can even see Marvel doing something like this with Alyosha Kravinoff and one of the Venoms. I just wanted a chance for my favorite villain, Kraven the Hunter, to have a voice and fair representation. Instead of, "Oh Kraven sucks because he has a moustache." That was because of the time he was created in. The time of the Bolshevik Revolution. Or perhaps, "Kraven sucks because he wears leopard skin pants and a lion mane vest." Yeah, and he probably killed them with his bare hands. It's no different from headhunters wearing shrunken heads or Predators wearing skulls of their kills. Sergei Kravinoff was born a disturbed noble. He witnessed his country's complete upheaval and spent his life in the jungles of Africa. They said his mother was insane. I wouldn't doubt that his father was too. Just look at his half-brother the Chameleon. You say that Kraven is not used to fighting something that wants to kill him. I say you're even crazier than he was if you believe that.

I didn't say Kraven is not used to fight something that wants to kill him...That would be stupid! Probably any animal which he hunted wanted to kill him LOL! And I din't said he suck! He doesn't!!! Nor did i say that he doesn't have a chance! He has!!! But just because he killed Spidey doesn't mean he can kill every super hero or villain U know....

[bmwdriver]

U know ARCAINITE, actually When did Kraven Killed Spiderman?!? Here it says Spidey was buried alive http://spiderfan.org/characters/kraven.html WHEN DID KRAVEN KILLED HIM 'CAUSE I MISSED THAT PART EXCUSE ME????!!!!!????????? And by the way The fact that Kraven killed himself is very low if U ask me!!!!!

[Arcainite]

U know ARCAINITE, actually When did Kraven Killed Spiderman?!? Here it says Spidey was buried alive http://spiderfan.org/characters/kraven.html WHEN DID KRAVEN KILLED HIM 'CAUSE I MISSED THAT PART EXCUSE ME????!!!!!????????? And by the way The fact that Kraven killed himself is very low if U ask me!!!!!

Drugs make them, to all medical science, DEAD. I didn't say he stayed dead. Even Morlun failed to kill Spider-Man permanently. But since you want to be stubborn, I'm going to use your own preferred bio site.


from Spiderfan.org: "In his madness, Kraven believed that Spider-Man was posessed by "the Spider," the supernatural entity responsible for all of mankinds suffering. "It was in the jungles that I first began to understand the ways of the spirits and demons...of the ravenous Spider. And tonight I finally see that even the man inhabited by the Spider--is ignorant--of its devious ways!" Kraven finally defeated Spider-man and buried him alive. He then took Spider- Man's black costume and started to live the life of the wall crawler. This was to prove that he was a better Spider-Man than the original. His crime fighting was considerably more deadly than the real Spider-Man's methods. A group of drug dealers that he came across ended up dead or badly beaten. He hunted and defeated the creature called Vermin, something Spider-Man was not able to do without the aid of Captain America.

Spider-Man eventually clawed out from his grave and attacked Kraven. But Kraven did not retaliate because he had already won. "Hit me again if you like, Spider-Man. Hit me a hundred times. I wont resist. I wont fight. There's no reason to fight. Dont you see? I've finally WON!" To further drive home the point that Kraven was superior to Spider-Man, Sergei forced the hero to battle Vermin. Spidey was quickly overpowered, and Vermin was about to kill him when Kraven stopped the creature. Kraven released Vermin onto the streets in order to distract Spider-Man while the deranged Hunter took his own life."
Ok what does this tell you? First it tells you that Kraven knew about the Spider before Morlun or Ezekiel or Spider-Man himself did.
Second, it tells you that Kraven defeats Spider-Man again and buries him in a very nice grave on the Kravinoff estate. Kraven is no cheapskate. No mere cemetary plot for his nemesis. The human body can't survive more than a week un-nourished. The drugs must have been keeping him clinically dead but safe.
If Kraven had wanted Spider-Man dead, he would be. There was simply no way he could have done a thing about it. When Kraven shot Spider-Man with the dart rifle, he knew his foe so well that he fired two shots. One which Spider-Man would of course dodge, and the next one, where he anticipated Spider-Man would jump to. BULLSEYE. Then he came up to him, netted him and for all intents and purposes...KILLED him.
One can argue about what does killing really mean. But if Kraven didn't kill Spider-Man, then at least admit that you're defending mere semantics. When a fisherman goes fishing and throws back a fish, that fish's life was his. So too with Spider-Men it would seem.
Clinically dead, clinically killed, is my take on it.

[bmwdriver]

Drugs make them, to all medical science, DEAD. I didn't say he stayed dead. Even Morlun failed to kill Spider-Man permanently. But since you want to be stubborn, I'm going to use your own preferred bio site.


from Spiderfan.org: "In his madness, Kraven believed that Spider-Man was posessed by "the Spider," the supernatural entity responsible for all of mankinds suffering. "It was in the jungles that I first began to understand the ways of the spirits and demons...of the ravenous Spider. And tonight I finally see that even the man inhabited by the Spider--is ignorant--of its devious ways!" Kraven finally defeated Spider-man and buried him alive. He then took Spider- Man's black costume and started to live the life of the wall crawler. This was to prove that he was a better Spider-Man than the original. His crime fighting was considerably more deadly than the real Spider-Man's methods. A group of drug dealers that he came across ended up dead or badly beaten. He hunted and defeated the creature called Vermin, something Spider-Man was not able to do without the aid of Captain America.

Spider-Man eventually clawed out from his grave and attacked Kraven. But Kraven did not retaliate because he had already won. "Hit me again if you like, Spider-Man. Hit me a hundred times. I wont resist. I wont fight. There's no reason to fight. Dont you see? I've finally WON!" To further drive home the point that Kraven was superior to Spider-Man, Sergei forced the hero to battle Vermin. Spidey was quickly overpowered, and Vermin was about to kill him when Kraven stopped the creature. Kraven released Vermin onto the streets in order to distract Spider-Man while the deranged Hunter took his own life."
Ok what does this tell you? First it tells you that Kraven knew about the Spider before Morlun or Ezekiel or Spider-Man himself did.
Second, it tells you that Kraven defeats Spider-Man again and buries him in a very nice grave on the Kravinoff estate. Kraven is no cheapskate. No mere cemetary plot for his nemesis. The human body can't survive more than a week un-nourished. The drugs must have been keeping him clinically dead but safe.
If Kraven had wanted Spider-Man dead, he would be. There was simply no way he could have done a thing about it. When Kraven shot Spider-Man with the dart rifle, he knew his foe so well that he fired two shots. One which Spider-Man would of course dodge, and the next one, where he anticipated Spider-Man would jump to. BULLSEYE. Then he came up to him, netted him and for all intents and purposes...KILLED him.
One can argue about what does killing really mean. But if Kraven didn't kill Spider-Man, then at least admit that you're defending mere semantics. When a fisherman goes fishing and throws back a fish, that fish's life was his. So too with Spider-Men it would seem.
Clinically dead, clinically killed, is my take on it.


LOL!!!! U could have said it to me in 3 words! U don't have to wright Novels, I understand! I though U meant he killed him for good U know, that's why I was so confused....And U don't have to get so excited about it, Kraven is not a god! And just because he beat Spidey doesn't make him a genius either....

[Arcainite]

LOL!!!! U could have said it to me in 3 words! U don't have to wright Novels, I understand! I though U meant he killed him for good U know, that's why I was so confused....And U don't have to get so excited about it, Kraven is not a god! And just because he beat Spidey doesn't make him a genius either....

I didn't say he was a god or a genius. Just that he was my favorite Spider-Man villain.

[bmwdriver]

Ok and i respect that, but U just seem so excited with him U know....

[Spider Boy01]

Kraven dose have all the weapons and stuff but Venom would totally kick his butt!

[venom6394]

definitely venom !!!:venom:
i dont like kraven he is kinda stupid. just remember venom is stronger and more agile than kraven and that Venom can beat Spiderman and Spiderman can beat Kraven. o by the way take a look at the poll up there kraven fans !!!!!!

:spiderman:

[Jick08]

Venom, of course.

[Arcainite]

definitely venom !!!:venom:
i dont like kraven he is kinda stupid. just remember venom is stronger and more agile than kraven and that Venom can beat Spiderman and Spiderman can beat Kraven. o by the way take a look at the poll up there kraven fans !!!!!!

:spiderman:

Before I bumped it it was 4/5 Venom 1/5 Kraven. The numbers have moved slightly because Venom is everywhere these days. Trust me, if they were putting Kraven in a film and I put this poll up with Kraven trailers on the TV things would be alot different. I wonder if some of the Venom voters even know who Kraven is if they are too young to remember the comics and cartoons with Kraven. Straight up serious. Later!

[Venomaster]

Venom fought Kraven (his son, actually), and WOULD have killed him if it wasn't for Spidey

[The Penguin]

These versus threads are so pointless.

Just because one character can defeat another character, does not automatically mean that character is better.

Some of you just base it all on the strength. Not talking about you, Arcainite.

[I am Borat]

well, venom is not only stronger, but cooler than kraven, so...

and who the hell voted for KRAVEN?!

[The Penguin]

well, venom is not only stronger, but cooler than kraven, so...

In your opinion. Which is not a fact.

and who the hell voted for KRAVEN?!

Obviously people who think Kraven is cooler and stronger.

[I am Borat]

kraven sure as hell aint stronger. thats a fact. so whoever thinks kraven is stronger is... um... smart. :p

[bmwdriver]

In your opinion. Which is not a fact.



Obviously people who think Kraven is cooler and stronger.

:LOL:

[bmwdriver]

These versus threads are so pointless.

Just because one character can defeat another character, does not automatically mean that character is better.

Some of you just base it all on the strength. Not talking about you, Arcainite.

So true!:congrats:

[Spidy_man 25]

definitely venom !!!:venom:
i dont like kraven he is kinda stupid. just remember venom is stronger and more agile than kraven and that Venom can beat Spiderman and Spiderman can beat Kraven. o by the way take a look at the poll up there kraven fans !!!!!!

:spiderman:

look kraven is kool butyour right about that. But none the less he would put up a fight

[Arcainite]

Venom fought Kraven (his son, actually), and WOULD have killed him if it wasn't for Spidey

In which issue did Mac Gargan Venom fight Alyosha? And isn't this thread about Sergei vs Eddie?
Or was it still when Eddie had the Venom symbiote that he fought Alyosha?
Also, just wanted to say that Kraven has a better win ratio vs Spider-Man than JUST ABOUT any other supervillain.

[Spider-Z]

Hmmmmm...I don't know who would win Venom or Kraven.I like Venom better than Kraven but it does't matter if you think this character is your favourite and you keep voting for him if you don't even know what the other person capable of.So I would not vote on this one.

[Arcainite]

Hmmmmm...I don't know who would win Venom or Kraven.I like Venom better than Kraven but it does't matter if you think this character is your favourite and you keep voting for him if you don't even know what the other person capable of.So I would not vote on this one.

Well, I know that I think Kraven (Sergei - father) could beat Kraven II (Alyosha - youngest son of the two). I am just trying to figure out when Alyosha and Venom (and which Venom was it, Mac aka Scorpion-Venom, or Eddie Brock Venom?) fought. Because I would like to read that comic book. Nothing sinister about that.
And to say that I know nothing about Venom is a misnomer. I know plenty about the original Venom. I don't know a whole lot about the new Venom though except that the guy that won the symbiote auction didn't last very long because the symbiote betrayed him. It likes Scorpion though because he's the most powerful and has a real hatred of Spider-Man that mirrors its own.

[Thowra]

Venom

[Gr?ner Kobold]

Gift ganz, Sie erwartet dont, dass uns einen Möchtegern-mörder denken, wie Kraven gegen Gift gewinnen würde, macht Sie??

[NewYorkerNick]

Gift ganz, Sie erwartet dont, dass uns einen Möchtegern-mörder denken, wie Kraven gegen Gift gewinnen würde, macht Sie??

Ich stimme überein. Kraven hat übermäßige menschliche Kraft aber Gift ist ein Fremder mit Kräften, gegen den wir uns Kämpfen nicht vorstellen können.

[I am Borat]

just one question... how come every time I make a versus thread people complain and say how stupid I am and say how old am I?

[Nimr0d]

just one question... how come every time I make a versus thread people complain and say how stupid I am and say how old am I?

Thats a truth right there, seen it a couple of times

[I am Borat]

see? nimr0d evwen saw it!

[Arcainite]

Ich stimme überein. Kraven hat übermäßige menschliche Kraft aber Gift ist ein Fremder mit Kräften, gegen den wir uns Kämpfen nicht vorstellen können.

http://translation2.paralink.com/
You say that we don't know how to fight a strange creature like Venom???

Are you trying to say that Kraven wouldn't know how to fight Venom? Because I really don't think that Kraven would fight something he doesn't know blindly. He is too smart for that. He would calculate what it can do and can't and put an end to Venom once and for all. Just like the Punisher almost did. He'd just place a call to his helicopter team and tell them to bring him the toys he needs.
Or, more likely, he would get the intel on it first! Then domination time! Kraven wins!

[I am Borat]

yeah... kraven is no match for venom. kraven can't beat spidey, so how can he beat venom?

[LudaChris]

yeah... kraven is no match for venom. kraven can't beat spidey, so how can he beat venom?

Have you even read what Arcainite posted?
Kraven is a serious opponent for venom.

[I am Borat]

if venom can kill sandman he can beat kraven. kraven is nothing.

[The Penguin]

if venom can kill sandman he can beat kraven. kraven is nothing.

If the Punisher can beat Venom, then Kraven can.

[LudaChris]

if venom can kill sandman he can beat kraven. kraven is nothing.

Oh my gosh...
Look, with villains, its like paper-rock-scissors. Paper can beat rock, but it's no match for scissors, which can be smashed by rock, which was beaten by paper. Venom can kill sandman because he bit off a peice of his sand mass, but venom can be beat by kraven, who could be defeated by sandman. Kraven has spent years training for fights and has filled his body with potions and the like to where he is at the peak of athletic perfection.
Despite what you, or countless other biased venom fanboys around the world think, venom isn't invincible.
If the Punisher can beat Venom, then Kraven can.
:spidey_yeah_that:

[I am Borat]

can't venom just web him up from far away?

[LudaChris]

can't venom just web him up from far away?

Can't Kraven just blow him up from far away? Or poison him? Or trap him in a net and bury him alive?

[The Penguin]

can't venom just web him up from far away?

If it was that easy, Spidey would have been laughing every time he fought Kraven. And he never was.

[Arcainite]

can't venom just web him up from far away?

Keep in mind, that Kraven has a lot of different weapons at his disposal, including cutting weapons. For Venom to wrap his hands to his sides, he'd have to be close, and Kraven I think has the edge on Venom in reflexes. Plus Kraven has heightened senses. Venom does not. (although someone told me that Venom had developed a slight spider-sense, though I haven't seen any comics with it)
I will grant you, if Venom were stalking Kraven (I'm guessing because Kraven would not be deemed "innocent" and maybe made some sort of brag on TV about how he was going to bring down the creature known as Venom), Venom has the edge. I will concede that it's possible. However, consider this. If Kraven did announce that he was hunting Venom, he would expect Venom to try something like this. And very likely, would have some traps set up for him. In which case, if Venom fell into some of these traps, game over.

If they just bumped into each other by complete chance, I think Venom would win. But Kraven is not really known for wandering around aimlessly. Venom is though. Kraven would have to flee using his superior stealth (from years in the jungle = to longer than Eddie Brock or even Mac Gargan's been alive). He would have to come back with the right equipment, and he is pretty much wealthy enough he can buy anything he needs to finish the hunt.

If Kraven is hunting Venom, there's just about no chance that Venom could win. This is my honest opinion. I hope that you will just respect that it's one man's opinion and that I'm not stating it blindly.

Also, to whoever said that Spider-Man beats Kraven. Only sometimes. Kraven has at least three wins over Spider-Man that I know about and I haven't even read about all of his appearances, just going by what I've gathered so far.

[I am Borat]

but doesn't venom have turn invisible and appear somewhere else?

[Arcainite]

but doesn't venom have turn invisible and appear somewhere else?

Venom can't do that. He can sort of blend in with the shadows but only if it's dark and his suit covers the white.
You may be thinking of Nightcrawler from the X-Men?

[LudaChris]

Venom can't do that. He can sort of blend in with the shadows but only if it's dark and his suit covers the white.
You may be thinking of Nightcrawler from the X-Men?

Actually, he can turn his symboite to blend into the background, whatever it be. He's even impersonated water before (ASM 347)

[Arcainite]

Actually, he can turn his symboite to blend into the background, whatever it be. He's even impersonated water before (ASM 347)

I know he can turn into civilian clothes and back. But regardless, teleportation is not one of his powers...

[I am Borat]

I know he can turn into civilian clothes and back. But regardless, teleportation is not one of his powers...
I'm not talking about teleportation or nightcrawler.
Actually, he can turn his symboite to blend into the background, whatever it be. He's even impersonated water before (ASM 347)

exactly. Think of it as spiderman unlimited. just waaay more powerful

[bmwdriver]

Actually, he can turn his symboite to blend into the background, whatever it be. He's even impersonated water before (ASM 347)

Yeah, water and also air....or other elements! :spidey_yeah_that:

[bmwdriver]

I know he can turn into civilian clothes and back. But regardless, teleportation is not one of his powers...

Actually that is another thing...... He meant Venom can camouflage himself, change his color or whatever (as Venom) to be exactly like the environment he is in, just so no one notices him.... And the mimic of clothes is another thing.....

[Arcainite]

Actually that is another thing...... He meant Venom can camouflage himself, change his color or whatever (as Venom) to be exactly like the environment he is in, just so no one notices him.... And the mimic of clothes is another thing.....

First of all, think of all the animals with camouflage that can't hide from Kraven due to his hunting experience. Second, think of Kraven's heightened senses. Venom can't hide from Kraven for very long.

[bmwdriver]

Hiddin'? Who says Venom is hidding?!?:LOL: He is preparing Kravy a surprise!:venom: And he doesn't need much time either...U said the animals can't hide,Venom ISN't an Animal, how can Kraven sense him?!? It's enough 4 Venom to camouflage for 5 seconds and then kick Kraven!

[bmwdriver]

U know, if Kraven wasn't so arogant, maybe he had more chance of winning..

[Arcainite]

U know, if Kraven wasn't so arogant, maybe he had more chance of winning..

But he WAS arrogant. So is Venom if you think about it. It's a pretty common trait amongst supervillains.
The way to really tell Kraven was arrogant is not how he talks though, with machismo and bravado. It's how he treated his servant, Dmitri, growing up. Dmitri (better known as the Chameleon), who it later turns out, was actually his half-brother. Unbeknownst to Kraven.
I have to say though, he definately was pretty mellow in his final days.

[bmwdriver]

He is (or was) Arrogant because he always was sure he can beat everyone and not even Spidey can't beat him, not because of his machoism as U said...... Now that he beat Spidey let's say he thinks he can beat everybody so Venom has the Advantage...... If Kraven is Smart enough though he must not underestimate his opponent.......And yeah Venom is Arrogant, but not as Kraven!

[bmwdriver]

And here's another, let's say "fact" of this fight, people change (Kraven for example here!). If Kraven isn't that arrogant and had learn a great lesson in life, than he probably can beat Venom. But Venom changet too so.... All I am sayin' is it depends WHEN the fight takes place.... Anyway I still think Venom can beat Kraven, just like a Hunter can become The Hunted..... If Kraven has a sonic gun or fire he can beat Venom......

[venomRSG]

Venom would kill Kraven

[F346]

I know, this is an old thread. I made it way back as a joke.

[I am Borat]

Venom would win... I didn't actually suspect people would ask who would win that battle.

[OsbornGoblin10]

Venom would win!

[I am Borat]

Venom! Venom! Venom! Venom wins!

[Dewzy]

ur gonna have to link me to that.

id say venom because hes just cooler and....yea hes just really kick a ss. and i dont like kraven at all. and does kraven conviniently bring sonic and fire weapons? no he doesnt. he brings tranqs and guns. venom is bulletproof. kraven doesnt have a dam van with weapons in it lol. venom wins

[I am Borat]

Kraven only has weapond harmful to humans, and animals (and other superhuimans like spidey). But he can't harm the symbiote so easily. Venom will kill him!

[aliensuit1495]

Kraven only has weapond harmful to humans, and animals (and other superhuimans like spidey). But he can't harm the symbiote so easily. Venom will kill him!
yeah
i agree
id have to say venom has the upperhand on this one
Kraven Venom
1 special senses 1 camouflage
2 super strength 2 greater super strength
3 agility 3 greater agility
4 several weapons 4 bullet proof

[Arcainite]

yeah
i agree
id have to say venom has the upperhand on this one
Kraven Venom
1 special senses 1 camouflage
2 super strength 2 greater super strength
3 agility 3 greater agility
4 several weapons 4 bullet proof

Kraven has the edge on Venom in fighting skill
Kraven has the edge on Venom in intelligence
Kraven has the edge on Venom in attack forms: he has a vest with built-in weaponry, sets traps designed for those he hunts, and he has pretty much any kind of weapon he needs for a hunt including fire and sonic (I'll say it again...PUNISHER beat Venom)
To wrap up: Kraven has experience hunting things that like to "eat you" and knows how to fight on instinct....I don't think Venom's ability to camoflage would help against heightened senses opponents esp ones used to hunting animals with camoflage.........and I don't think the symbiote gives Venom greater agility than Kraven. I really do NOT see it. Greater strength, yes. But as for agility, I have yet to see the evidence of it. And another thing...where did you hear that Venom is bullet-proof from? I think you mean bullet-resistant. Venom is NOT the Hulk.

[venomRSG]

Kraven has the edge on Venom in fighting skill
Kraven has the edge on Venom in intelligence
Kraven has the edge on Venom in attack forms: he has a vest with built-in weaponry, sets traps designed for those he hunts, and he has pretty much any kind of weapon he needs for a hunt including fire and sonic (I'll say it again...PUNISHER beat Venom)
To wrap up: Kraven has experience hunting things that like to "eat you" and knows how to fight on instinct....I don't think Venom's ability to camoflage would help against heightened senses opponents esp ones used to hunting animals with camoflage.........and I don't think the symbiote gives Venom greater agility than Kraven. I really do NOT see it. Greater strength, yes. But as for agility, I have yet to see the evidence of it. And another thing...where did you hear that Venom is bullet-proof from? I think you mean bullet-resistant. Venom is NOT the Hulk.
I'm telling you right now Venom would kill Kraven!:venom:

[Arcainite]

I'm telling you right now Venom would kill Kraven!:venom:

At least when aliensuit1495 says that he tries to use evidence and logic...but when people say that with no evidence or logic, it only makes the Venom fans look bad. And also the fact that most of the Venom fans try to act like Venom is disturbing....it makes me wonder if your keyboard has a lot of drool in it. LOL!

[aliensuit1495]

At least when aliensuit1495 says that he tries to use evidence and logic...but when people say that with no evidence or logic, it only makes the Venom fans look bad. And also the fact that most of the Venom fans try to act like Venom is disturbing....it makes me wonder if your keyboard has a lot of drool in it. LOL!
thanx
i always use logic before saying any kind of stupidity
which im surprise a lot of people dont do that
here are several other factors you may want to know about
As a result of the symbiote's former bond with Spider-Man, it grants its hosts abilities parallel to those of the wall-crawler (i.e. superhuman strength, agility, and reflexes, and the ability to adhere to walls).


The symbiote makes Venom virtually bulletproof.The symbiote is capable of enhancing the strength of its host to varying degrees. Due to Eddie Brock's muscular physique and natural physical strength from weight-training, his strength as Venom is greatly increased, far in excess of Spider-Man's, though his full strength often fluctuates. According to Spider-Man: The Ultimate Guide by Tom Defalco, Eddie had conditioned himself to lift up to 700 lbs before being bonded to the symbiote. Although the symbiote gives Eddie Brock enhanced agility, his speed and reflexes are not as great as Spider-Man's. Venom has demonstrated strength ranging from only slightly greater than Spider-Man's to being capable of trading blows with high-powered individuals such as the Juggernaut.

Venom's body is highly resistant to physical injury, capable of withstanding assault from high-caliber bullets as well as attacks from super powered individuals. The suit also protects Brock from any type of extremely high voltage shocks. Venom is also capable of surviving in harmful areas for long periods of time such as underwater or in toxic gases, the symbiote filtering breathable air to the host. Additionally, the symbiote is capable of healing injuries in the host at a faster rate than normal human healing allows. The symbiote is also capable of healing injuries and illness that current human medical care cannot such as cancer.


Mutated Venom.The symbiote contains a small 'dimensional aperture', similar to a pocket, that allows the host to carry items upon his/her person without adding mass to the costume. It also possesses some limited psychic ability, making it capable of obtaining information from its hosts and even other people and symbiotes simply by touch. This ability allowed Eddie Brock to know the secret identity of Spider-Man when the symbiote bonded with him. It can, however, be forced to forget information if the symbiote is inflicted with heavy trauma. The symbiote is also capable of psychically detecting its offspring; however, this ability can be blocked.

Due to Spider-Man being a host to the symbiote, Venom, and as a result his offspring, is able to bypass Spider-Man's spider-sense. As such, Venom is capable of attacking Spider-Man without alerting him.

The symbiote is capable of mimicking the appearance of any form of clothing, camouflaging with its surroundings, and even mimicking other people, therefore he can even make himself invisible.

[Arcainite]

thanx
i always use logic before saying any kind of stupidity
which im surprise a lot of people dont do that
here are several other factors you may want to know about
As a result of the symbiote's former bond with Spider-Man, it grants its hosts abilities parallel to those of the wall-crawler (i.e. superhuman strength, agility, and reflexes, and the ability to adhere to walls).


The symbiote makes Venom virtually bulletproof.The symbiote is capable of enhancing the strength of its host to varying degrees. Due to Eddie Brock's muscular physique and natural physical strength from weight-training, his strength as Venom is greatly increased, far in excess of Spider-Man's, though his full strength often fluctuates. According to Spider-Man: The Ultimate Guide by Tom Defalco, Eddie had conditioned himself to lift up to 700 lbs before being bonded to the symbiote. Although the symbiote gives Eddie Brock enhanced agility, his speed and reflexes are not as great as Spider-Man's. Venom has demonstrated strength ranging from only slightly greater than Spider-Man's to being capable of trading blows with high-powered individuals such as the Juggernaut.

Venom's body is highly resistant to physical injury, capable of withstanding assault from high-caliber bullets as well as attacks from super powered individuals. The suit also protects Brock from any type of extremely high voltage shocks. Venom is also capable of surviving in harmful areas for long periods of time such as underwater or in toxic gases, the symbiote filtering breathable air to the host. Additionally, the symbiote is capable of healing injuries in the host at a faster rate than normal human healing allows. The symbiote is also capable of healing injuries and illness that current human medical care cannot such as cancer.


Mutated Venom.The symbiote contains a small 'dimensional aperture', similar to a pocket, that allows the host to carry items upon his/her person without adding mass to the costume. It also possesses some limited psychic ability, making it capable of obtaining information from its hosts and even other people and symbiotes simply by touch. This ability allowed Eddie Brock to know the secret identity of Spider-Man when the symbiote bonded with him. It can, however, be forced to forget information if the symbiote is inflicted with heavy trauma. The symbiote is also capable of psychically detecting its offspring; however, this ability can be blocked.

Due to Spider-Man being a host to the symbiote, Venom, and as a result his offspring, is able to bypass Spider-Man's spider-sense. As such, Venom is capable of attacking Spider-Man without alerting him.

The symbiote is capable of mimicking the appearance of any form of clothing, camouflaging with its surroundings, and even mimicking other people, therefore he can even make himself invisible.

So basically, they don't have any good continuity with Venom? LOL. Sounds like they can't make up their mind if he's an uber-level superhuman or if he's just a jacked up Spider-Man. Sounds like the writers can't get his story straight amongst themselves.
All I know about Venom is from his early appearanes and from when he had his own mini-series. He never had any invisibility back then.
What I also know is that Spider-Man must get luckier around Venom? Because it seems like Kraven is alot more acrobatic and can avoid Spider-Man's attacks more than Venom can. Not bad for someone who's "not as agile" eh?

[bmwdriver]

At least when aliensuit1495 says that he tries to use evidence and logic...but when people say that with no evidence or logic, it only makes the Venom fans look bad. And also the fact that most of the Venom fans try to act like Venom is disturbing....it makes me wonder if your keyboard has a lot of drool in it. LOL!

:LOL: funny! Anyway, saying somethin' with no evidence or logic makes anyone look bad, it doesn't matter what fan he is! OK want some evidences why Venom would win (oh and keep in mind, Kraven has chances to win too!), here they are:

1.He is stronger than Kraven!
2.Greater Agility 4 Venom!
3.Intelligence:I don't know which of them is smarter but 1 thing is certain - neither of them aren't dumb@$$es and both are pretty clever...
4.Venom can camouflage himself! But Kraven has high senses! Remember Kraven can smell (well idk if this is the right term LOL!) people like an animal (take for example "Kraven, The Hunter'- '90 Animated Series, he sensed Peter @ that modelling party! But he knew it's the same smell Spiderman had, just that he didn't saw his face), but The Alien Symbiote doesn't smell like anything!!! And he can cover Brock! So Kraven couldn't detect Venom if he was in a bush let's say!
5.Venom's speed is better than Kraven's! (remember Kraven can ALMOST match Spidey's speed-Spidey is a little more faster! But Venom is even faster than Spidey so, obvious, faster than Kraven!)

I think has chances to win too..if he had a sonic gun or fire!

[venomRSG]

At least when aliensuit1495 says that he tries to use evidence and logic...but when people say that with no evidence or logic, it only makes the Venom fans look bad. And also the fact that most of the Venom fans try to act like Venom is disturbing....it makes me wonder if your keyboard has a lot of drool in it. LOL!
Here's some reasons why Venom would win.
1.He's alot stronger then Kraven.
2.Venom's faster.
3.Better agility.
4.Bullet proof.
5.Venom can Camaouflage himselff.
There's 5 good reasons why Venom is better then Kraven.Is it good enough evidence for you?

[aliensuit1495]

So basically, they don't have any good continuity with Venom? LOL. Sounds like they can't make up their mind if he's an uber-level superhuman or if he's just a jacked up Spider-Man. Sounds like the writers can't get his story straight amongst themselves.
All I know about Venom is from his early appearanes and from when he had his own mini-series. He never had any invisibility back then.
What I also know is that Spider-Man must get luckier around Venom? Because it seems like Kraven is alot more acrobatic and can avoid Spider-Man's attacks more than Venom can. Not bad for someone who's "not as agile" eh?

everything that varies has to do with the symbiotes condition
so if its in good shape it could trade blows with even juggernaught

[Dewzy]

Kraven has the edge on Venom in fighting skill
Kraven has the edge on Venom in intelligence
Kraven has the edge on Venom in attack forms: he has a vest with built-in weaponry, sets traps designed for those he hunts, and he has pretty much any kind of weapon he needs for a hunt including fire and sonic (I'll say it again...PUNISHER beat Venom)
To wrap up: Kraven has experience hunting things that like to "eat you" and knows how to fight on instinct....I don't think Venom's ability to camoflage would help against heightened senses opponents esp ones used to hunting animals with camoflage.........and I don't think the symbiote gives Venom greater agility than Kraven. I really do NOT see it. Greater strength, yes. But as for agility, I have yet to see the evidence of it. And another thing...where did you hear that Venom is bullet-proof from? I think you mean bullet-resistant. Venom is NOT the Hulk.



yesss...so kraven will CONVIENTLY pull out a SONIC BLAST gun out of no where because he goes like hmmm maybe its a good day to bring a sonic blast gun to hunt a rare animal!!! yes it sounds like a swell idea maybe that animal will be super weak against sonic sound hahaha.

[Arcainite]

yesss...so kraven will CONVIENTLY pull out a SONIC BLAST gun out of no where because he goes like hmmm maybe its a good day to bring a sonic blast gun to hunt a rare animal!!! yes it sounds like a swell idea maybe that animal will be super weak against sonic sound hahaha.

Kraven only hunted animals for the first 60 years or so of his life. After that, even the dinosaurs in the Savage Land were too easy for him. That's when he started hunting superheroes and villains. For the challenge of it. So would he have a sonic gun in his undies? No....
Would he bring a sonic weapon to a fight with Venom? DUH! Yes.
Whoever started this thread should have made the circumstances more clear.

[Dewzy]

Kraven only hunted animals for the first 60 years or so of his life. After that, even the dinosaurs in the Savage Land were too easy for him. That's when he started hunting superheroes and villains. For the challenge of it. So would he have a sonic gun in his undies? No....
Would he bring a sonic weapon to a fight with Venom? DUH! Yes.
Whoever started this thread should have made the circumstances more clear.

so, he would happen to know everything about symboites on google maybe? his 1st encounter hell not know anything. and venom would probably....kill him. kraven brings guns and stuff, venom is bullet proof. venom also has the *spider sense* thing. kraven isnt faster then venom, venom wont let him excape the 1st time.

[Arcainite]

so, he would happen to know everything about symboites on google maybe? his 1st encounter hell not know anything. and venom would probably....kill him. kraven brings guns and stuff, venom is bullet proof. venom also has the *spider sense* thing. kraven isnt faster then venom, venom wont let him excape the 1st time.

I believe he usually stalks his prey before he attacks...that is the way of the Hunter.
Venom has no spider-sense like Spider-Man does.
Kraven also has a ton of money for both computer information and manpower. And most of his servants would be considered "innocent" and thus Venom would not be able to kill them. His servants never involve themselves in Kraven's hunts except to fetch his weapons and for transportation.
I seriously doubt if Kraven was hunting Venom he would even have a chance of failing.

[Dewzy]

I believe he usually stalks his prey before he attacks...that is the way of the Hunter.
Venom has no spider-sense like Spider-Man does.
Kraven also has a ton of money for both computer information and manpower. And most of his servants would be considered "innocent" and thus Venom would not be able to kill them. His servants never involve themselves in Kraven's hunts except to fetch his weapons and for transportation.
I seriously doubt if Kraven was hunting Venom he would even have a chance of failing.

wats his servants gotta do with anything. kraven brings prolly a little tranq or rifle the 1st time, hes not gettin no where. hes not as strong as spidey, and venom is like 2x stronger then spidey. no chance at all. (spidey aint bulletproof, venom is. weps like those wont do nothin) venoms not afraid to klll him either.

[Arcainite]

wats his servants gotta do with anything. kraven brings prolly a little tranq or rifle the 1st time, hes not gettin no where. hes not as strong as spidey, and venom is like 2x stronger then spidey. no chance at all. (spidey aint bulletproof, venom is. weps like those wont do nothin) venoms not afraid to klll him either.

I find it dubious that Venom is TWICE as strong as Spider-Man. Especially not since the strength enhancement he got from that lame The Other storyline in which he got all those new powers and stronger too.
And the servants have alot to do with it. Venom can't kill an innocent. They qualify. They can get Kraven information for him and intel while he's in the field and relay it to him wherever he happens to be.
Also, you mentioned the tranq rifle. If you read any Kraven stories at all, you'd know he never has only one weapon. And that "little tranq" gun you refer to was enough to knock Spider-Man out for two whole weeks and keep him from death by malnourishment (during Kraven's Last Hunt anyway, I'm sure he has different doses for different targets). I'm sure something like that would knock even Venom out long enough for Kraven to slay him.

[Dewzy]

I find it dubious that Venom is TWICE as strong as Spider-Man. Especially not since the strength enhancement he got from that lame The Other storyline in which he got all those new powers and stronger too.
And the servants have alot to do with it. Venom can't kill an innocent. They qualify. They can get Kraven information for him and intel while he's in the field and relay it to him wherever he happens to be.
Also, you mentioned the tranq rifle. If you read any Kraven stories at all, you'd know he never has only one weapon. And that "little tranq" gun you refer to was enough to knock Spider-Man out for two whole weeks and keep him from death by malnourishment (during Kraven's Last Hunt anyway, I'm sure he has different doses for different targets). I'm sure something like that would knock even Venom out long enough for Kraven to slay him.

bulletttt prooooooooof....im sure a tranq wont get thru now if bullets wont will it? and who said anything about venom killing his servants. hell kill KRAVEN.

[Arm3geddon]

I vote for Venom:venom:

[I am Borat]

Servants? what? They wouldn't be innocent if they were attacking venom. therefor venom would not kill them, but prolly attack them. Kraven can't kill venom unless he has a sonic gun. that's it. no other way.

[Dewzy]

Servants? what? They wouldn't be innocent if they were attacking venom. therefor venom would not kill them, but prolly attack them. Kraven can't kill venom unless he has a sonic gun. that's it. no other way.

and im pretty sure he wont go like "hmmm i think today ill bring a sonic gun to hunt!!!"

[I am Borat]

and im pretty sure he wont go like "hmmm i think today ill bring a sonic gun to hunt!!!"

yup. and plus... SPIDER-MAN IS THE ONLY ONE WHO KNOW's VENOM's WEAKNESS! Kraven thinks a bow and arrow will do the job.

[Dewzy]

yup. and plus... SPIDER-MAN IS THE ONLY ONE WHO KNOW's VENOM's WEAKNESS! Kraven thinks a bow and arrow will do the job.

bow and arrow wont go thru symboite if a gun wont. and venom will KILL kraven, NO MERCY!!!!

[I am Borat]

but what I'm saying is that Kraven doesn't know that the symbiote's weakness is sonic sounds and loud sounds and all.

[Dewzy]

but what I'm saying is that Kraven doesn't know that the symbiote's weakness is sonic sounds and loud sounds and all.

ya, and he MIGHT find out during his 1st encounter...but who says venom will let him leave?

[I am Borat]

in fact there won't even be a fight! venom would just web up Kraven and lauph at him

[Dewzy]

has spiderman webbed kraven up before? i think kraven broke out of his. but venoms web is alot stronger and hell web him up so much he cant move. then hell take a bite out of him

o and btw, his "servants" are considered guilty for helping kraven.

[I am Borat]

has spiderman webbed kraven up before? i think kraven broke out of his. but venoms web is alot stronger and hell web him up so much he cant move. then hell take a bite out of him

o and btw, his "servants" are considered guilty for helping kraven.

there ya go

[bmwdriver]

has spiderman webbed kraven up before? i think kraven broke out of his. but venoms web is alot stronger and hell web him up so much he cant move. then hell take a bite out of him
o and btw, his "servants" are considered guilty for helping kraven.

Yes, but it can be cut!!! If a car is speeding through Spiderman or Venom's webbing it would stop... If a crazy lunatic like me goes with a knife it could cut it! (a big and sharp knife, like they use in the Jungle, idk how they call those!)! :D


and im pretty sure he wont go like "hmmm i think today ill bring a sonic gun to hunt!!!"
Agree!


yup. and plus... SPIDER-MAN IS THE ONLY ONE WHO KNOW's VENOM's WEAKNESS! Kraven thinks a bow and arrow will do the job.
Yes, Spidey is the only one...
An arrow is very SHARP, much sharper than a bullet! Bullets are faster! But no matter!!! An arrow can be thrown very fast by someone like Kraven, but still it won't Kill Venom, it just might hurt The Symbiote a little... And Venom is fast enough to take Kraven out before he can do somethin' like that so....

[Venom man]

Venom, Kraven would not have a chance

[Dewzy]

Yes, but it can be cut!!! If a car is speeding through Spiderman or Venom's webbing it would stop... If a crazy lunatic like me goes with a knife it could cut it! (a big and sharp knife, like they use in the Jungle, idk how they call those!)! :D



Agree!



Yes, Spidey is the only one...
An arrow is very SHARP, much sharper than a bullet! Bullets are faster! But no matter!!! An arrow can be thrown very fast by someone like Kraven, but still it won't Kill Venom, it just might hurt The Symbiote a little... And Venom is fast enough to take Kraven out before he can do somethin' like that so....


yea that pretty much sums it up. normal human or animal killing weps wont kill venom.

venom would throw his symboite shoe at kraven and its over .

[Arcainite]

bulletttt prooooooooof....im sure a tranq wont get thru now if bullets wont will it? and who said anything about venom killing his servants. hell kill KRAVEN.

Venom opens his giant mouth. :wHAP!:
Tranq'd. Much laughter from Kraven's servants as Kraven starts butchering his kill.
"Killed by his own big mouth. He was not worthy."

[Arcainite]

Servants? what? They wouldn't be innocent if they were attacking venom. therefor venom would not kill them, but prolly attack them. Kraven can't kill venom unless he has a sonic gun. that's it. no other way.

What part of Kraven's servants don't involve themselves in the fighting did you not comprehend?

Also, about not knowing Venom's weaknesses. It's public knowledge now for a long time. You don't do time in the Vault and not get the full examination.

Also, where does it say Venom's webbing is stronger than Spider-Man's? I've never noticed this before.

[Dewzy]

What part of Kraven's servants don't involve themselves in the fighting did you not comprehend?

Also, about not knowing Venom's weaknesses. It's public knowledge now for a long time. You don't do time in the Vault and not get the full examination.

Also, where does it say Venom's webbing is stronger than Spider-Man's? I've never noticed this before.

hey, if you dont do the dam crime but you assist someone, ur an accomplice, that makes you GUILTY!!!! its like, HEY KRAVEN HERES A GUN GO KILL HIM!!!! hes involved if he does that now doesnt he

and yea venoms webbing is stronger then spideys.

[Arcainite]

hey, if you dont do the dam crime but you assist someone, ur an accomplice, that makes you GUILTY!!!! its like, HEY KRAVEN HERES A GUN GO KILL HIM!!!! hes involved if he does that now doesnt he

and yea venoms webbing is stronger then spideys.

Don't get mad at me. This thread was started by Forsaker not me. VS threads get alot of people upset at each other, dividing the Spider-Man fan community. Look at how long it took the Doc Ock fans and Venom fans to get along.
The summary: Kraven would win against Venom if he was hunting him.
Venom would win if they were just tossed in an arena together.

I think that's the gist of it.

Kraven fan numbers will increase if he's going to be in a future Spider-Man movie. Just logic.

[Dewzy]

Don't get mad at me. This thread was started by Forsaker not me. VS threads get alot of people upset at each other, dividing the Spider-Man fan community. Look at how long it took the Doc Ock fans and Venom fans to get along.
The summary: Kraven would win against Venom if he was hunting him.
Venom would win if they were just tossed in an arena together.

I think that's the gist of it.

Kraven fan numbers will increase if he's going to be in a future Spider-Man movie. Just logic.

i can agree with that, and im not angry i just put caps to highlight certain parts