What if-Raimi had decided against Venom

[Jason Martell]

What would the movie be like? Think about it, no symbiote, no Venom. What would the story line be like? How could it have gone with Harry and Sandman?

How could Spider-Man pose a challenge to Sandman? What would Harry's fate be in the movie?

[Eddie Brock Jr.]

Well, there would still be a Gwen Stacy....

This is very much like a thread i started about three weeks or more ago.

[calebyourmaster]

if they decided not to...lizard would be in the film....still a major succesful movie....

[spiders r us]

if they decided not to...lizard would be in the film....still a major succesful movie....

yea. but venom was decided, so we need not talk about such dreadful things! :cry:

[King-Kong]

Well, the symbiote still could have been in the movie, ya know
Venom could just of been left out

[Jason Martell]

well I figured that the only reason Raimi put the symbiote in was becaues Avi convinced him to do Venom. Otherwise Raimi probably wouldn't have put the symbiote in.

[xbmx89]

i say the lizard harry as the gg2 and sandman
then 4 could be the symbiote

[bds23420]

yea. but venom was decided, so we need not talk about such dreadful things! :cry:

Venom was decided cuz thats what the public wanted...sam wanted nothing do do with Venom....and i was a big fan of that i like all the older villains.

[xbmx89]

wats weird is i didnt know the fans wanted venom heard nutin bout it and i didnt mind not having him lol i thought what was wanted is harry as gg2 and the lizard

[bds23420]

no no no a lot of ppl said that he should do venom...sam said that if he was doing the Spider-Man movies he didnt want to do Venom, but it was the public that was wanting him so they all decided to do the Venom story...

[xbmx89]

during sm2 gg2 and lizard was foreshadowed more than sandman or venom

so i thought it was kinda weird introducing venom either though i love venom

[bds23420]

during sm2 gg2 and lizard was foreshadowed more than sandman or venom

so i thought it was kinda weird introducing venom either though i love venom

yea...see im not a fan of Venom at all.....but heck its still gonna be a sick *** movie...

[LudaChris]

What would the movie be like? Think about it, no symbiote, no Venom. What would the story line be like? How could it have gone with Harry and Sandman?

How could Spider-Man pose a challenge to Sandman? What would Harry's fate be in the movie?

Wouldn't've been as good, to me, but still would've been totally awesome.

[-mada-]

What would the movie be like? Think about it, no symbiote, no Venom. What would the story line be like? How could it have gone with Harry and Sandman?

How could Spider-Man pose a challenge to Sandman? What would Harry's fate be in the movie?

Totally different...
I mean, if Sam chose to go with the Sandman storyline (including Ben's death) it was actually a smart move to put the symbiote storyline in now, cause the movie is about revenge and the symbiote gives it more depth...

But if there was no symbiote, I think it wouldn't be so hyped, or good (okay, we don't even know how well it'll do but lets just assume it'll do well :)).
Then again, if there was no symbiote I bet there would've been more drama between Harry/Peter/MJ/Gwen...

[Killer Symbiote]

If they had Gwen, and Peter falling in love with her WITHOUT being influenmced by the smybiote...that wouldn't be cool.

[-mada-]

If they had Gwen, and Peter falling in love with her WITHOUT being influenmced by the smybiote...that wouldn't be cool.

You're right there...
I bet the film could be quite like Spider-Man 2 if there was no symbiote...

[Jason Martell]

You're right there...
I bet the film could be quite like Spider-Man 2 if there was no symbiote...

yeah that's what I figured too. It'd be a lot like spider-man 2. but that's not a bad thing.

If it had been up to me Sandman wouldn't have been in the movie at all.

If things had been up to me, Conners would have had a few appearances in part 1, and in part 2 he'd have had a few more minutes of screen time interacting with peter.

In part 3 we'd have had the symbiote, return of Ock, the Lizard, and Harry, but he'd be wearing the goblin suit from the first movie, modified. I'd have Eddie in the movie too, with Spider-Man ruining his life.

Then part 4 would be Sandman, and Venom. The only personal connection to Spider-Man would be that back when he was a common thug, he was busted by Spider-Man, and there were personal sad circumstances behind Flint's crime that Spidey hadn't known about.

[Jick07]

What would the movie be like? Think about it, no symbiote, no Venom. What would the story line be like? How could it have gone with Harry and Sandman?

How could Spider-Man pose a challenge to Sandman? What would Harry's fate be in the movie?

the movie could be good. would be like Spider-Man 2, and the people want to see something different.
again, the movie without the symbiote could be good, but not awesome like Spider-Man 3 will be.

[the forsaker]

if they decided not to...lizard would be in the film....still a major succesful movie....

I heard years ago that lizard was gonna be in this movie but the younger fans out there wanted to see venom badly so now we're going to see venom which is still cool since I'm also a fan of him but I think they should've saved him for the last movie.

[spiders r us]

Venom was decided cuz thats what the public wanted...sam wanted nothing do do with Venom....and i was a big fan of that i like all the older villains.

but venom IS an older villain. well, at least he's not that new. he appeared in asm 299 which was many years ago. im 13, but i dont even read the new comics. i like asm better than the sensational spiderman. thats why i like venom. (+ ulti sm)

[the forsaker]

Yeah, I think he appeared in what year was it, 1988?

[-mada-]

In part 3 we'd have had the symbiote, return of Ock, the Lizard, and Harry, but he'd be wearing the goblin suit from the first movie, modified. I'd have Eddie in the movie too, with Spider-Man ruining his life.

Alright, first of all I too think that the return of Ock would be a good idea.
Also a good idea to have the Lizard and Harry there too, but...
Yes, the symbiote would've added more twist into the story, but having Eddie there would be a waste of time and pointless for the third film, if four wouldn't already be on the way...

Then part 4 would be Sandman, and Venom. The only personal connection to Spider-Man would be that back when he was a common thug, he was busted by Spider-Man, and there were personal sad circumstances behind Flint's crime that Spidey hadn't known about.

This is a perfect idea, but I still might not want to see a movie full of Venom.
Actually, I'd prefer the same situation that's in this movie, just with a little bit more time, maybe...
It'd be a bit risky business, cause there isn't that much in the character for two films...

[the forsaker]

agreed.

[Jick07]

me too

[venomcarnage24]

bump,thought this thread was interesting

[LudaChris]

If there was no venom, there still would have been three villains:
Sandman, Harry, and the vulture.
Avi convinced Raimi to use Venom instead of the vulture, so whenever I hear someone blame the movies mixed reviews on Avi, I get a little angry, since Avi helped the movie more than anything.

[venomcarnage24]

If there was no venom, there still would have been three villains:
Sandman, Harry, and the vulture.
Avi convinced Raimi to use Venom instead of the vulture, so whenever I hear someone blame the movies mixed reviews on Avi, I get a little angry, since Avi helped the movie more than anything.

:spidey_yeah_that:,yeah in this book i bought about spider-man 3 it has storyboard pictures and said if avi didn't convince sam to put venom in sm3,sandman would have broken adrian toomes out of prison,then he would have become vulture

[King-Kong]

Yeah well no venom=no eddie, no symbiote
That would be better to alot of people

[Conebone69]

If venom wasnt in the movie along with the symbiote, I think it might have been a better movie

[-mada-]

If there was no venom, there still would have been three villains:
Sandman, Harry, and the vulture.
Avi convinced Raimi to use Venom instead of the vulture, so whenever I hear someone blame the movies mixed reviews on Avi, I get a little angry, since Avi helped the movie more than anything.

Yeah I kinda agree with you there.
But do notice that no one knew about Vulture before the book's release.
On the other hand... I don't know what to think :LOL:
I guess switching for Venom wasn't such a bad choice after all, cause Vulture still wouldn't have gotten more screen time than what Eddie had in the movie.

Meh... Best choice would've been to ditch them both and have only Harry & Sandman as the villains...

[LudaChris]

That would've been cool, yeah
and save venom for the fourth.

[bds23420]

i would have loved it if he did and had Vultue like the original!!!

[webhead988]

If there was no venom, there still would have been three villains:
Sandman, Harry, and the vulture.
Avi convinced Raimi to use Venom instead of the vulture, so whenever I hear someone blame the movies mixed reviews on Avi, I get a little angry, since Avi helped the movie more than anything.

Yeah I prefer Venom in the movie rather than Vulture.

[bds23420]

Yeah I prefer Venom in the movie rather than Vulture.

not me...and hey your sig is way to big 500 x 175 pix

[-mada-]

not me...and hey your sig is way to big 500 x 175 pix

Would you rather have seen that character getting ****d than Venom?

Erm... Actually, not a bad idea :D
At least fans wouldn't be whining about not giving respect for Venom... Or would they, if he wasnt in the movie? Who knows...

[bds23420]

i just dont think he should have been in the movie, but he was, and now everyone is complaining cuz he wasnt in long enough like come on he was in there stop complaining!

[Venom man]

I just hope they give the Lizard SM4, and since people don't like it when there favorite character is not in the movie long, he should be the only villian for SM4.

[Caveboy0]

he wanted vulture but other people convinced him to have venom.

[Arcainite]

Yeah I kinda agree with you there.
But do notice that no one knew about Vulture before the book's release.
On the other hand... I don't know what to think :LOL:
I guess switching for Venom wasn't such a bad choice after all, cause Vulture still wouldn't have gotten more screen time than what Eddie had in the movie.

Meh... Best choice would've been to ditch them both and have only Harry & Sandman as the villains...

Originally, Gwen wasn't going to be in the movie. That was Laura Ziskin's addition. Venom was Avi Arad's. I am not sure if Eddie Brock was going to be in the movie or not.

Things all got accelerated when they found out they might not be doing a 4th movie at all. (which is because of Tobey and Kirsten mainly)

I BELIEVE (and I don't mind being corrected if I'm wrong) that as intended the movie would have had more time for character development and would feature the Vulture, the Sandman, and the New Goblin. With no Gwen. And maybe Eddie, but no Venom yet.

[xFredSlacks77x]

Originally, Gwen wasn't going to be in the movie. That was Laura Ziskin's addition. Venom was Avi Arad's. I am not sure if Eddie Brock was going to be in the movie or not.

Things all got accelerated when they found out they might not be doing a 4th movie at all. (which is because of Tobey and Kirsten mainly)

I BELIEVE (and I don't mind being corrected if I'm wrong) that as intended the movie would have had more time for character development and would feature the Vulture, the Sandman, and the New Goblin. With no Gwen. And maybe Eddie, but no Venom yet.

you are pretty much right. they wanted to make spidey 3 and 4 connected, like a two-part movie. 3 would have introduced eddie brock and the symbiote, gwen, sandman, vulture, and new goblin, but given each more development. vulture would have been a villian right off the bat, with not much backstory. harry would have had more leadup to his initial attack, and sandman would have been more developed also. i beileve in the fourth venom would have been in the movie, and sandman too. i don't believe vulture would have survived through 3, or that james franco was comming back for a fourth, so they had to kill them off.

lizard might have come into play in movie four, along with sandman and venom, but i am not sure. captain stacey (death) would have been explored ****her if the movie was two parts, and the five-way realationship between harry/peter/mj/gwen and eddie would have been better developed. also, they symbiote would have been more the a ten minute luagh sequence, and might have had a better entrance then an astroid.

but, unfortunatly, they could not find a way to end the third and begin the fourth, and no one was sure if they were coming back for a fourth film. because of this, the movie was ended at 3, and all the major parts of the 2 movie script were thrown into 1, with things like character development, lizard, vulture, and captain stacey's death being thrown away.

[LudaChris]

I wish they would have gone with the original plan
That would have been awesome. Tough on them, yet awesome

[-mada-]

Originally, Gwen wasn't going to be in the movie. That was Laura Ziskin's addition. Venom was Avi Arad's. I am not sure if Eddie Brock was going to be in the movie or not.

Things all got accelerated when they found out they might not be doing a 4th movie at all. (which is because of Tobey and Kirsten mainly)

I BELIEVE (and I don't mind being corrected if I'm wrong) that as intended the movie would have had more time for character development and would feature the Vulture, the Sandman, and the New Goblin. With no Gwen. And maybe Eddie, but no Venom yet.

Yeah I think the original plan was indeed to have the Vulture as the villain, but I don't believe it would have made things that much different from what they are.
Even if he was the third villain, some of the characters would still be left in the shadow (mainly Flint and Gwen).

Why Alvin, why couldn't you find a good climax to link up 3 & 4? :(

[F346]

well I figured that the only reason Raimi put the symbiote in was becaues Avi convinced him to do Venom. Otherwise Raimi probably wouldn't have put the symbiote in.

Ding Ding Ding that is the right answer you have one yourself a million dollars. :p

But yeah, I think it would've been just Sandman and Harry in the movie if he decided against Venom but if the rumors were true that he was originally going to put the Lizard in 3 then he would've and should've.

[-mada-]

Ding Ding Ding that is the right answer you have one yourself a million dollars. :p

But yeah, I think it would've been just Sandman and Harry in the movie if he decided against Venom but if the rumors were true that he was originally going to put the Lizard in 3 then he would've and should've.

Actually, the way I understood it...
He wanted to have all Sandman, Harry & Vulture.

[F346]

I did'nt hear about Vulture. On most sites I went on they were talking about putting Lizard in 3.

[venomcarnage24]

I did'nt hear about Vulture. On most sites I went on they were talking about putting Lizard in 3.

this giant book about spider-man 3 that i bought at borders for $30.00,says that raimi would've put vulture if avy didn't put venom

[Jick08]

Venom would be better to put in the fourth movie, with only the symbiote in the third and Eddie. then, they meet each other in the final. you know. but no Vulture. only Sandman and Harry. this way would have more character development. however, I can't see how Harry would die.

[F346]

maybe like in the comics, he'd have a serious convulsion because of his dad's serum and dies?

[Jick08]

maybe like in the comics, he'd have a serious convulsion because of his dad's serum and dies?

nah...this wouldn't be good for the movie.
like...he died heroically in the third.
Sandman wouldn't kill him trying to kill Peter...

[F346]

Hmm...I get what you mean now.

[himynameisjules]

the movie would have been better, they could have saved Venom for the fourth movie

[Spider-Vader]

It'd be sort of the same except no third villian (or maybe Vulture) & maybe Harry's glider goes out of control & impales him. Though the symbiote was an obvious next choice for Peter character devolpment.

[F346]

maybe, But I think Venom should've been used for the very last movie.