And the Green Goblin is...

[BackinBlack07]

Based on today's episode "Catalysts", we now have a mystery on our hands: who is the Green Goblin? We have two suspects:

1. Norman Osborn:
He's the head of a major company, Tombstone hired him to create new supervillains to fight Spider-Man and Hammerhead threatened to blow this whole supervillain developing plan to the public, and it was said he was a scientist, so he could've given himself powers unbeknownst to Dr. Octavius.

2. Harry Osborn:
We saw him drinking some sort of green vile, which could possibly be the goblin formula, giving him a split personality. The reason he could be taking it could be a reference to the original comics where he took drugs to get away from his problems, and when that drug is a goblin serum and you just get dumped at a dance, we got a problem. And it would explain the somewhat evil voice we've heard him use for the last few episodes.

So, who is indeed the Green Goblin? Well gang, it looks like we got another mystery on our hands.

[Venomaster]

No, he's not. tHERE ARE A FEW REASON'S WHY HE'S NOT
Highlight text to see the Spoiler Below
The Green Goblin, and Norman is


1. Motive: Why would the person mentioned above attack the Big Man? He has no motive, and if anything, would attack the at the dance. Also, the person I believe it is
Highlight text to see the Spoiler Below
Norman
would wanmt the Big Man out of the picture to avoid getting in troubleif the shecme falls apart
2. dialogue. Gobby says that he could spill secrets. The person socool believed it was (and the writers are leading us to believe) may think something fishy is going on, but does not know the details. The person I believe is the Goblin knows evrything
3. The comics: If you read the early comics, there were lots of twists and red herrings in finding out Gobby's identity. Also, the person socool thought was the Goblin was wearing the same ruined outfit before he took the "formula". So he changed out of his ruined outfit, got the goblin costume on, and then cahnged back into HIS RUINED OUTFIT INSTEAD OF A DRY OUTFIT?
I don't thinnk so.

[Symbiote789]

No, he's not. tHERE ARE A FEW REASON'S WHY HE'S NOT
Highlight text to see the Spoiler Below
The Green Goblin, and Norman is


1. Motive: Why would the person mentioned above attack the Big Man? He has no motive, and if anything, would attack the at the dance. Also, the person I believe it is
Highlight text to see the Spoiler Below
Norman
would wanmt the Big Man out of the picture to avoid getting in troubleif the shecme falls apart
2. dialogue. Gobby says that he could spill secrets. The person socool believed it was (and the writers are leading us to believe) may think something fishy is going on, but does not know the details. The person I believe is the Goblin knows evrything
3. The comics: If you read the early comics, there were lots of twists and red herrings in finding out Gobby's identity. Also, the person socool thought was the Goblin was wearing the same ruined outfit before he took the "formula". So he changed out of his ruined outfit, got the goblin costume on, and then cahnged back into HIS RUINED OUTFIT INSTEAD OF A DRY OUTFIT?
I don't thinnk so.Well you know, maybe he didn't dry/change/have another tux. Thats a possibility, But I believe Norman is the goblin.

[Spider-Tim 075]

I don't know if this is me thinking or hoping but :

Harry's on drugs or whatever like in the comics and Norman is the actual goblin... I think it's hoping more than logical thinking but still

[xFredSlacks77x]

i do believe norman is the goblin, and that the writers want us to believe its harry. for one, his hands were still purple along with his shirt... i find it hard to believe that he changed to a goblin suit and back and looked exactly the same. norman is the man with a grudge against tombstone and the man with connections to the underground. i believe that harry found the formula and is using it as a drug for now, not really understanding the consequences of the formula. i believe he will head into a downward spiral especially if his dad is killed at the end of this goblin story arc.

[GreenGoblin075]

its norman...but some people wont get it at all

[bmwdriver]

LMFAO!!!!

It HAS to be Norman!!!!!! I agree with you Gobby075! They have to stay true to the Origins.

BTW I voted Harry by mistake! Ignore that! lol :o

[Spider-Tim 075]

its norman...but some people wont get it at all

LMFAO!!!!

It HAS to be Norman!!!!!! I agree with you Gobby075! They have to stay true to the Origins.

BTW I voted Harry by mistake! Ignore that! lol

Agreed aswel :D

[Lizardboy]

It's obviously Norman Osborn.

[ss3kid]

Thank you. I think its Norman, but my friend thinks its Ned Leeds. Help me guide him down the right path.

[Lizardboy]

Ned Leeds was the 2nd Hobgoblin not the 1st Green Goblin.

[Arcainite]

Ned Leeds was the 2nd Hobgoblin not the 1st Green Goblin.

Ned was the 3rd Hobgoblin. Roderick had an initial imposter fight Spider-Man for him who he himself sabotaged remotely controlling the goblin glider and killing after the fight when it seemed he was going to tell who the real Hobgoblin was. His name was Arnold "Lefty" Donovan.
http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/hobgoblin2.html
Just another reason why I like Jason Macendale better than Roderick Kingsley. I also didn't like how Roderick had Ned Leeds brainwashed and killed. Or when he came back finally and killed Jason Macendale. He's racked up quite the body count.

[BackinBlack07]

Ned was the 3rd Hobgoblin. Roderick had an initial imposter fight Spider-Man for him who he himself sabotaged remotely controlling the goblin glider and killing after the fight when it seemed he was going to tell who the real Hobgoblin was. His name was Arnold "Lefty" Donovan.
http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/hobgoblin2.html
Just another reason why I like Jason Macendale better than Roderick Kingsley. I also didn't like how Roderick had Ned Leeds brainwashed and killed. Or when he came back finally and killed Jason Macendale. He's racked up quite the body count.

Actually, I think Ned was the 4th Hobgoblin that Kingsley got, because I remember that he also brainwashed Flash before him.

[Lizardboy]

Ned was the 3rd Hobgoblin. Roderick had an initial imposter fight Spider-Man for him who he himself sabotaged remotely controlling the goblin glider and killing after the fight when it seemed he was going to tell who the real Hobgoblin was. His name was Arnold "Lefty" Donovan.
http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/hobgoblin2.html
Just another reason why I like Jason Macendale better than Roderick Kingsley. I also didn't like how Roderick had Ned Leeds brainwashed and killed. Or when he came back finally and killed Jason Macendale. He's racked up quite the body count.

Was'nt Macendale the 3rd Hobgoblin?

[Caveboy0]

LMFAO!!!!

It HAS to be Norman!!!!!! I agree with you Gobby075! They have to stay true to the Origins.

BTW I voted Harry by mistake! Ignore that! lol :o

whats LMFAO and just LMAO mean? im tired of seeing it and not know what it means it justs sounds like lamo to me

[Lizardboy]

whats LMFAO and just LMAO mean? im tired of seeing it and not know what it means it justs sounds like lamo to me

LMFAO-Laughing My F***'n A** Off
LMAO-Laughing My A** Off

[Keehar]

It better be Norman.

[Lizardboy]

Duh, of course it is.

[Keehar]

Duh, of course it is.

Seen the episode have you? :rolleyes:

And stop following me around like a stray dog.

[Lizardboy]

I'm a Lizard and I'm actually following you around because I'm hunting you.:innocent: lol jk....but not really.

[joshthesmart]

its harry and i told u from the start it was

[Venomaster]

So mcuh forf sticking to the comics.
Norman's going to take the formula soon though...

[joshthesmart]

5 of us voted for ahrry and i was one of them and the rest thoug it was norman :D who ever was the 5 WE RULE

[socool83]

So mcuh forf sticking to the comics.
Norman's going to take the formula soon though...

ah, who cares!
its was still awesome never the less.

[Lizardboy]

thanks for spoiling the episode for me guys.:shake:

[Spider_Venom100]

I figured it would be Harry. That's the cool thing about this show. It doesn't follow the comics completely which leaves room for some originality. That way were not seeing the same old thing over and over again and I'm sure thats what they were thinking when they made this show. Kudos to the creators.

[Spider_Venom100]

thanks for spoiling the episode for me guys.:shake:Well, no offence but why'd you come to this thread if it was titled "And the Green Goblin is..." and you had to of known that today's episode was about Green Goblin.

[spider-man guy]

Guys, ever hear of a really, really elaborate red-herring? They knew the fans would say Norman would be the Goblin so they're pulling us away from that, making us think it's Harry.

[Venomaster]

Guys, ever hear of a really, really elaborate red-herring? They knew the fans would say Norman would be the Goblin so they're pulling us away from that, making us think it's Harry.

The next time we see Gobby, Norman will probably have taken the formula

[Lizardboy]

Well, no offence but why'd you come to this thread if it was titled "And the Green Goblin is..." and you had to of known that today's episode was about Green Goblin.

Wait, did spidey unmask gobby and find out it's harry?

[shadow_spidey]

Harry unmasked himself saying it was his costume. It was a little confusing because I couldn't tell if Peter was going to going as himself in the costume or Spider-Man when Norman came in. :confused: It was mainly Spider-Man that he chose to do. Since Norman came into the room suddenly.

[Spider_Venom100]

Spiderman spotted Green Goblin fleeing into Osborn Mansion so he followed still thinking it was Norman. He soon found out that it was Harry in the Green Goblin costume. Harry tried to cover it up by saying he was just in costume for Halloween but when he tried to get up his leg was hurt like Green Goblin's. Noman walked in and found out that it was Harry terrorizing everyone and pleaded for Spiderman to keep GG's identidy on the DL.

[Lizardboy]

oh, I have'nt seen it then. I just saw the one today of harry drinking the goblin serums and crashing tombstone's party.

[Spider_Venom100]

oh, I have'nt seen it then. I just saw the one today of harry drinking the goblin serums and crashing tombstone's party.
they show two episodes of spectacular spiderman. did you stick around for the second one? that's the newest one.

[spider-man guy]

oh, I have'nt seen it then. I just saw the one today of harry drinking the goblin serums and crashing tombstone's party.

You left before the new episode started...:shake:

[Spider_Venom100]

You left before the new episode started...:shake:
lol. Yes, yes he did...:innocent:

[xFredSlacks77x]

its norman still. remeber when norman said he was responsible for what happened? that was not just a sign of good parenting. i am sure norman set harry up and sent him off as the goblin to fight norman's battles for him. yes harry was in the suit, but the true goblin has not been identified... yet.

[Spider_Venom100]

its norman still. remeber when norman said he was responsible for what happened? that was not just a sign of good parenting. i am sure norman set harry up and sent him off as the goblin to fight norman's battles for him. yes harry was in the suit, but the true goblin has not been identified... yet.Whan he said he was responsible he meant he's been neglegting his son and this is what happened. Your relying on this being exactly like the comics and I'm sure they're not doing all of it to the comic's design. They're trying to give it some originality. I'm sure Norman will be a Green Goblin at some point. It's just a matter of time. :greengoblin: besides, Norman had no idea it was Harry in the suit.

[jacobs101]

I also believe the green goblin arc is not over. I think the fact that some of us our believing it's harry is because of their good story telling skillz. I think that Norman has been the green goblin the entire time and that its just the way the show's edited it and told the story (i.e. showing the goblin and then right after, a scene where a harry has blacked out).
Some people have made some really good points about the chameleon's part in the latest episode (uncertainty principle). I think it was the chameleon (maybe working for himself or the bigman) who entered oscorp disguised as norman. Or else, why would the guard find it awkward for norman to be entering the FRONT door? and then not only after that, we see him downloading information. In addition, we see the goblin thief steal some oscorp tech., to which the chameleon seems surprised. No doubt the chameleon felt he infiltrated at the wrong time. and then when the goblin sees norman (chameleon): the goblin laughs. The goblin is most likely laughing at the fact that he knows that it isn't norman (because the goblin is norman) and also that there are other villains around town thieving oscorp's tech. Finally, chamleon is in spiderman's next episode. So some good foreshadowing is going on (including the appearance of black cat). The show also conveniently did not explain what was behind the secret door that NORMAN came through.
The only thing i can't explain is harry's leg being hurt. Of course, some people have assumed that norman put the suit on harry and has framed his own son (which i too believe). But if norman would hurt his own son's leg; im not sure if he could do that being his father (although he kinda did just frame his son and has helped experimentation of a healthy group of freaks, so nothing seems too immorally impossible for him).
If norman is the goblin, this show will trully be known for great story telling (not that it already isn't). This show is so great and i like the fact that there are still loose ends to be solved around the goblin.

[Spider_Venom100]

I also believe the green goblin arc is not over. I think the fact that some of us our believing it's harry is because of their good story telling skillz. I think that Norman has been the green goblin the entire time and that its just the way the show's edited it and told the story (i.e. showing the goblin and then right after, a scene where a harry has blacked out).
Some people have made some really good points about the chameleon's part in the latest episode (uncertainty principle). I think it was the chameleon (maybe working for himself or the bigman) who entered oscorp disguised as norman. Or else, why would the guard find it awkward for norman to be entering the FRONT door? and then not only after that, we see him downloading information. In addition, we see the goblin thief steal some oscorp tech., to which the chameleon seems surprised. No doubt the chameleon felt he infiltrated at the wrong time. and then when the goblin sees norman (chameleon): the goblin laughs. The goblin is most likely laughing at the fact that he knows that it isn't norman (because the goblin is norman) and also that there are other villains around town thieving oscorp's tech. Finally, chamleon is in spiderman's next episode. So some good foreshadowing is going on (including the appearance of black cat). The show also conveniently did not explain what was behind the secret door that NORMAN came through.
The only thing i can't explain is harry's leg being hurt. Of course, some people have assumed that norman put the suit on harry and has framed his own son (which i too believe). But if norman would hurt his own son's leg; im not sure if he could do that being his father (although he kinda did just frame his son and has helped experimentation of a healthy group of freaks, so nothing seems too immorally impossible for him).
If norman is the goblin, this show will trully be known for great story telling (not that it already isn't). This show is so great and i like the fact that there are still loose ends to be solved around the goblin.
Hmm. Very good points. I think you've thought more outside the box than anyone posting. This could very well be true. :spidey_clap2:

[ss3kid]

This may seem really stupid to some of you, but Heres my idea with Ornament. They might make him the Hobgoblin. I don't know, it seems like it could work, and I thought that is he took the serum, he wouldn't want to be the Green Goblin.

[socool83]

I also believe the green goblin arc is not over. I think the fact that some of us our believing it's harry is because of their good story telling skillz. I think that Norman has been the green goblin the entire time and that its just the way the show's edited it and told the story (i.e. showing the goblin and then right after, a scene where a harry has blacked out).
Some people have made some really good points about the chameleon's part in the latest episode (uncertainty principle). I think it was the chameleon (maybe working for himself or the bigman) who entered oscorp disguised as norman. Or else, why would the guard find it awkward for norman to be entering the FRONT door? and then not only after that, we see him downloading information. In addition, we see the goblin thief steal some oscorp tech., to which the chameleon seems surprised. No doubt the chameleon felt he infiltrated at the wrong time. and then when the goblin sees norman (chameleon): the goblin laughs. The goblin is most likely laughing at the fact that he knows that it isn't norman (because the goblin is norman) and also that there are other villains around town thieving oscorp's tech. Finally, chamleon is in spiderman's next episode. So some good foreshadowing is going on (including the appearance of black cat). The show also conveniently did not explain what was behind the secret door that NORMAN came through.
The only thing i can't explain is harry's leg being hurt. Of course, some people have assumed that norman put the suit on harry and has framed his own son (which i too believe). But if norman would hurt his own son's leg; im not sure if he could do that being his father (although he kinda did just frame his son and has helped experimentation of a healthy group of freaks, so nothing seems too immorally impossible for him).
If norman is the goblin, this show will trully be known for great story telling (not that it already isn't). This show is so great and i like the fact that there are still loose ends to be solved around the goblin.

i think your right!

[xFredSlacks77x]

norman asks harry in the mansion at the end, "why did you attack me?"... so i think that was norman at oscorp. however... all of your points are valid, and the scene was very fishy. it seems like the episode was too obvious. i know that sounds dumb, but i really believe there is more to this goblin situation then meets the eye.

[jacobs101]

harry was set up but i dont think hes working with his father. I think that because harry has taken so much of the gobulin, it has made him delusional. I guess norman must of known about his son's addiction or realized that he could take advantage of it when he arrived at his house (why would you fly to your house by the way???). His son must of been out-cold and norman just put the suit on harry and than placed the tube on the floor. Just as easy as that!

[Spider_Venom100]

harry was set up but i dont think hes working with his father. I think that because harry has taken so much of the gobulin, it has made him delusional. I guess norman must of known about his son's addiction or realized that he could take advantage of it when he arrived at his house (why would you fly to your house by the way???). His son must of been out-cold and norman just put the suit on harry and than placed the tube on the floor. Just as easy as that!
Yes but what about harry's hurt leg? Norman wouldn't have stooped as low as to hurt him.

[jacobs101]

Yes but what about harry's hurt leg? Norman wouldn't have stooped as low as to hurt him.

that's what i was wondering too. But than again (as I said before) and if this is true... He did kinda just frame his son. As a father and 'responsible guardian', he's blaming his own actions onto his own son. And his 'sacrifice/protection' speech was out of his character compared to what the audience has seen.
Norman has also funded a bunch of freaks (ie sandman, rhino and even doc ock). I'm pretty sure that anyone would be shocked if you knew goblin was norman and he was just pleasantly watching doc ock crying out in pain while being radiated to death.
Norman really isn't nice. He's also continuously humiliated and dejected his son. Norman looks out for only himself and that's his advice for others. That's why harry took drastic actions which led him to taking the globulin. And we even see the emotional pain that harry has felt in this episode.
So..norman = not nice man.

[Keehar]

Duh, of course it is.

Looks like you were dead wrong

[Lizardboy]

Just saw the episode today, you're right, so much for sticking to the comics. Why did they make Harry the first Green Goblin in this series?

[Keehar]

They made one of the Enforcers Shocker, so they didn't stick to the comics. Liz Allen sure is not black either.

[jacobs101]

Just saw the episode today, you're right, so much for sticking to the comics. Why did they make Harry the first Green Goblin in this series?

i think they've stayed closer to the comics than you think...

[Lizardboy]

I know she's not, she never was.

[Lizardboy]

i think they've stayed closer to the comics than you think...

How?

[jacobs101]

How?

i wrote my opinion a few posts back.

[Lizardboy]

The only thing is though is that Norman has'nt actually taken the serum yet.

[Spider_Venom100]

The only thing is though is that Norman has'nt actually taken the serum yet.
Well not that we know of anyway. We really havn't seen much of Norman.

[Lizardboy]

Still though, they should've made him the first green goblin in this new series.

[jacobs101]

Still though, they should've made him the first green goblin in this new series.

My previous post:
I also believe the green goblin arc is not over. I think the fact that some of us our believing it's harry is because of their good story telling skillz. I think that Norman has been the green goblin the entire time and that its just the way the show's edited it and told the story (i.e. showing the goblin and then right after, a scene where a harry has blacked out).
Some people have made some really good points about the chameleon's part in the latest episode (uncertainty principle). I think it was the chameleon (maybe working for himself or the bigman) who entered oscorp disguised as norman. Or else, why would the guard find it awkward for norman to be entering the FRONT door? and then not only after that, we see him downloading information. In addition, we see the goblin thief steal some oscorp tech., to which the chameleon seems surprised. No doubt the chameleon felt he infiltrated at the wrong time. and then when the goblin sees norman (chameleon): the goblin laughs. The goblin is most likely laughing at the fact that he knows that it isn't norman (because the goblin is norman) and also that there are other villains around town thieving oscorp's tech. Finally, chamleon is in spiderman's next episode. So some good foreshadowing is going on (including the appearance of black cat). The show also conveniently did not explain what was behind the secret door that NORMAN came through.
The only thing i can't explain is harry's leg being hurt. Of course, some people have assumed that norman put the suit on harry and has framed his own son (which i too believe). But if norman would hurt his own son's leg; im not sure if he could do that being his father (although he kinda did just frame his son and has helped experimentation of a healthy group of freaks, so nothing seems too immorally impossible for him).
If norman is the goblin, this show will trully be known for great story telling (not that it already isn't). This show is so great and i like the fact that there are still loose ends to be solved around the goblin.

[Lizardboy]

ok, your point sounds reasonable. Maybe.

[BackinBlack07]

Just saw the episode today, you're right, so much for sticking to the comics. Why did they make Harry the first Green Goblin in this series?

They made one of the Enforcers Shocker, so they didn't stick to the comics. Liz Allen sure is not black either.

Who gives a cr ap if it isn't exactly like the comics? It's still good storytelling. And if they made it exactly like the comics, we wouldn't have Harry, MJ, or Gwen on the show yet, since Pete didn't meet any of them until college. Think about that.
And BTW, Liz is hispanic on the show, not black.

[spider-man guy]

Exactly. List me one comic book adaptation that is 100% accurate to the souce material. Go ahead, try.

The main thing is, was it handled well? In this case, yes. Very. Even if Harry is the Goblin, it was handled well. And that's all that matters.

[The Iron-Spider]

I think it's Harry, because he's been missing as Green Goblin in the episode. Gwen was looking for Peter and Harry when accually the two were fighting in a battle.

[Lizardboy]

It's already been proven to be harry.

[jacobs101]

It's already been proven to be harry.

What about the door that Norman came through? They didn't explain that. This is just a way to conclude the arc while also allowing the goblin to return later on. It's not trully proven quite yet.

[Lizardboy]

This is confusing.

[Spider_Venom100]

This is confusing.
It will all be reveiled, I'm sure. Most likely not 'til the second season.

[socool83]

This is confusing.

have faith my scaly friend :cool:

[xFredSlacks77x]

this is not over. for now we all have to assume its harry because that is where the evidence points. all of the evidence for norman being the goblin is inconclusive and based on reason. however, i still believe that the storyline is not over and i wouldnt be surprised at all to see norman identify himself as the goblin all along next season.

for all of the people like me that believe that norman is the goblin we have to be quiet for now. until more evidence surfaces the goblin is still harry.

[jacobs101]

this is not over. for now we all have to assume its harry because that is where the evidence points. all of the evidence for norman being the goblin is inconclusive and based on reason. however, i still believe that the storyline is not over and i wouldnt be surprised at all to see norman identify himself as the goblin all along next season.

for all of the people like me that believe that norman is the goblin we have to be quiet for now. until more evidence surfaces the goblin is still harry.

(but is really norman)... lol

[Spider_Venom100]

The title of this thread reminds of some kind of spidey themed awards show
"and the Green Goblin goes to..." :LOL:

[Lizardboy]

have faith my scaly friend

I guess I'll have too.:)

this is not over. for now we all have to assume its harry because that is where the evidence points. all of the evidence for norman being the goblin is inconclusive and based on reason. however, i still believe that the storyline is not over and i wouldnt be surprised at all to see norman identify himself as the goblin all along next season.

for all of the people like me that believe that norman is the goblin we have to be quiet for now. until more evidence surfaces the goblin is still harry.

True.

The title of this thread reminds of some kind of spidey themed awards show
"and the Green Goblin goes to..." :LOL:

lol, you're right.