Green Goblin in SSM Season 2

[Lawnmower Man]

I think that Norman Osborn might be only using Harry as a decoy... and he really is the Goblin all along... possibly. I mean its a hard theory to back up... but it may be possible if thought out well... like in #36 of Marvel Adventures Spider-man, Harry wears the suit to break his dad out of prison... he wears it for his dad... but I think all in all... this is just some old-fashioned trick set up for us to be like, wow didnt expect that... ? Opinions?

[jacobs101]

Yeah..I agree with you. Especially one scene when the goblin is in the big man's office. Out of all the pictures on his desk, the goblin picks up the one with norman in it. There's just a certain vibe you get that makes me believe its norman under the mask when he did that. Than again you could argue that it was just harry picking up the picture of his father... The only thing that discredits this is norman's UNbroken leg. But then there was also when norman walks out of his secret chamber (which conveniently is unexplained).

But i'd say the biggest trick was having chameleon have his early introduction/cameo without the audience noticing and yet also tying it into the goblin's identity arc (this was when a supposed mr. osbourne walked back into oscorp through the front door). Not only did this set up what the chameleon can do without completely revealing himself to the audience (and you can't argue this people: greg has stated that he likes the idea of being coherent and introducing the villains early while tying them into the present story line would be considered coherent). And no I don't believe this is some goofy theory. Chameleon disguised himself as norman and went into oscourpe just as the goblin went in, making the audience believe that norman couldn't be the goblin. Oh yes, and the fact that after every scene that harry is unconscious, we see the goblin do some havoc (some clever story telling). Yet we never see him dress into goblin.
And there was also a thread in the toon zone forums that compared the heights of norman, harry, and the goblin to spiderman....and norman fit the height a lot better...

[xFredSlacks77x]

i do believe norman is the goblin. with chamelion and green goblin returning in season 2 it would give the show the opportunity to finally end the whole norman coming through the front door mystery, and we can finally discover who the goblin is. almost all the clues point to norman, and even though harry was revealed as the goblin, the mystery is far from over, and theres something fishy going on...

[jb0000612]

My opinion:

Norman's secret door does lead to the Goblin stuff, but before he could become the Goblin himself and attack, Harry went cuckoo and stole his tech, costume, and schtick.

[Caveboy0]

Yeah..I agree with you. Especially one scene when the goblin is in the big man's office. Out of all the pictures on his desk, the goblin picks up the one with norman in it. There's just a certain vibe you get that makes me believe its norman under the mask when he did that. Than again you could argue that it was just harry picking up the picture of his father... The only thing that discredits this is norman's UNbroken leg. But then there was also when norman walks out of his secret chamber (which conveniently is unexplained).

But i'd say the biggest trick was having chameleon have his early introduction/cameo without the audience noticing and yet also tying it into the goblin's identity arc (this was when a supposed mr. osbourne walked back into oscorp through the front door). Not only did this set up what the chameleon can do without completely revealing himself to the audience (and you can't argue this people: greg has stated that he likes the idea of being coherent and introducing the villains early while tying them into the present story line would be considered coherent). And no I don't believe this is some goofy theory. Chameleon disguised himself as norman and went into oscourpe just as the goblin went in, making the audience believe that norman couldn't be the goblin. Oh yes, and the fact that after every scene that harry is unconscious, we see the goblin do some havoc (some clever story telling). Yet we never see him dress into goblin.
And there was also a thread in the toon zone forums that compared the heights of norman, harry, and the goblin to spiderman....and norman fit the height a lot better...

you say chameleon was introduced early, but where is the proof are you just guessing. personally i think you want norman to be goblin and just really wish he was but for right now there is no proof. i think you are over analyzing the situation. i mean couldn't it just be a nod to the comic book fans like how the marvel movies has those kind of stuff like in the incredible hulk with the purple pants thing.

[Lawnmower Man]

It is very possible that Norman may not be the goblin also, just because Greg Weisman also said he changes up some of the characters story arcs to make it better suit his idea of the show. I guess we'll have to wait and find out in Season 2.

[xFredSlacks77x]

yeah the main point is that its not over. there is something we don't know, and we have to wait until season 2 to find out. there are clues that chamelion was norman in that scene. coming through the front door, the goblin's confusion when he saw norman at oscorp, the chamelion having a norman disguise in the next episode, and weisman saying that introducing the villians early is a possibility.... he introduced black cat that episode too.

but there are more clues pointed towards harry. for one, he was caught in the goblin stuff. also, he was always unconscious after battles and he was seen with the goblin formula.

my theory is that norman is the goblin... him coming out of the scret lair is too much to be unexplained. harry was taking the formula, but maybe it could not be injested through digestion, but instead as a vapor like in batman begins. so really none of the serum was working or something.

[jacobs101]

you say chameleon was introduced early, but where is the proof are you just guessing. personally i think you want norman to be goblin and just really wish he was but for right now there is no proof. i think you are over analyzing the situation. i mean couldn't it just be a nod to the comic book fans like how the marvel movies has those kind of stuff like in the incredible hulk with the purple pants thing.

Well, in the next episode, chameleon uses the norman disguise again in the episode, persona. Most likely to indicate to fans that this hasn't been the only time he's taken advantage of this disguise. And if you can't connect that to the previous episode, then you just don't get it. But I can absolutely see the writers doing that. It's clever and I don't think it's over analyzing. I'm not even a comic book fan (what nod would you be talking about?) but I recognized something fishy about that scene. Obviously it's not been blatantly stated or else it would ruin the storyline. Of course there's no proof, that would mean goblin's identity was truly solved! It's all speculation but it's just reading behind the lines. Some things were left unwrapped and you can't deny that. Therefore, there's something more to it!
As greg has stated himself, the writers don't just pop things in for a reason. There WAS a reason why the writers happened to make chameleon disguise himself as norman in the next episode. And who seriously didn't see that coming(In fact, in one of the threads, I guessed Chamaleon would use the norman disguise again to indicate he's used it before)? It's classic: the audience doesn't know at first it's chameleon, but in the next episode they recognize what his capabilities are. When viewers get to see the repeats, they'll notice these little hints. It's brilliant and it been done before in many stories.
I guarantee you Caveboy0 that the least, chameleon disguised himself as norman. This also happened to play along with the goblin identity and, again, it's what makes the season coherent. That's why it makes sense. Everything connects together.

[xFredSlacks77x]

Well, in the next episode, chameleon uses the norman disguise again in the episode, persona. Most likely to indicate to fans that this hasn't been the only time he's taken advantage of this disguise. And if you can't connect that to the previous episode, then you just don't get it. But I can absolutely see the writers doing that. It's clever and I don't think it's over analyzing. I'm not even a comic book fan (what nod would you be talking about?) but I recognized something fishy about that scene. Obviously it's not been blatantly stated or else it would ruin the storyline. Of course there's no proof, that would mean goblin's identity was truly solved! It's all speculation but it's just reading behind the lines. Some things were left unwrapped and you can't deny that. Therefore, there's something more to it!
As greg has stated himself, the writers don't just pop things in for a reason. There WAS a reason why the writers happened to make chameleon disguise himself as norman in the next episode. And who seriously didn't see that coming(In fact, in one of the threads, I guessed Chamaleon would use the norman disguise again to indicate he's used it before)? It's classic: the audience doesn't know at first it's chameleon, but in the next episode they recognize what his capabilities are. When viewers get to see the repeats, they'll notice these little hints. It's brilliant and it been done before in many stories.
I guarantee you Caveboy0 that the least, chameleon disguised himself as norman. This also happened to play along with the goblin identity and, again, it's what makes the season coherent. That's why it makes sense. Everything connects together.

you have many good points there and i agree with you. but nothing can be decided until we get the answers straight from the show. and sadly that wont be until atleast january.

[webhead988]

you say chameleon was introduced early, but where is the proof are you just guessing. personally i think you want norman to be goblin and just really wish he was but for right now there is no proof. i think you are over analyzing the situation. i mean couldn't it just be a nod to the comic book fans like how the marvel movies has those kind of stuff like in the incredible hulk with the purple pants thing.

It's a theory, it's not as if he's saying it like it's a fact. Also he makes very good points..I don't see why you're always blatantly telling people what you think they think when truly you have no idea what they're thinking. Maybe it's because you yourself never have any good points to state yourself.

[jb0000612]

Ooooohh...:( Let's forget this bickering and have a hunk of cheese, shall we?http://www.scott-o-rama.com/Video/Hankering.png

[ultimate db]

you have many good points there and i agree with you. but nothing can be decided until we get the answers straight from the show. and sadly that wont be until atleast january.

Actually Season 2 is coming out in fall or september:yay:

[Lawnmower Man]

how do you know its coming out in fall or september? not tryin to sound rude but it looks like it does.. how do ya kno ultimate db?

[MaxGSpideyFan]

Actually Season 2 is coming out in fall or september:yay:

Actually they said it might not even come out untill somewhen next year.

[jacobs101]

It's a theory, it's not as if he's saying it like it's a fact. Also he makes very good points..I don't see why you're always blatantly telling people what you think they think when truly you have no idea what they're thinking. Maybe it's because you yourself never have any good points to state yourself.

THANK YOU!!! Of course theres no definitive proof because, again, the identity would be solved by now. I'm just saying that there are things that connect together very well.

And as for when season two begins, Greg said in the IGN interview that the soonest it could start would be in january.