most unexpected deaths in a comic movie

[Joshua_tghl]

my top most unexpected deaths in a comic film are

Rachel - the dark knight
Eddie Brock/Venom - spider-man 3

[Rodger-Dodger]

I think everyone was sure venom would die. I don't know, I just had a feeling since GG and Doc Ock died.

Lol, I'm going to laugh if someone said Uncle Ben. Who saw that coming?

[shadow_spidey]

Scott Summer/Cyclops: X-Men: The Last Stand

Professor X: X-Men: The Last Stand

Rachel Dawes: The Dark Knight

I knew Rachel's was going to happen. But they way it happened shocked me. I really do not like seeing characters that I like get blown up. :( And that's what they are; the most unexpected deaths. It's the same in real life.

Those are it for me so far.

[Symbiote789]

Rachel Dawes: TDK

Well, it really wasn't expecting (for me),I also knew it was gonna happen. I liked that she was talking then KA-BOOM!!!!!!!

I also have to add

Jean Grey in X2
Professor X X3

[luke123]

jean grey in X2

professor X in X3

[shadow_spidey]

Jean doesn't die in X-Men: United. I mean, Phoenix takes over her. But she comes in and out a little bit in X-Men: The Last Stand.

[luke123]

Jean doesn't die in X-Men: United. I mean, Phoenix takes over her. But she comes in and out a little bit in X-Men: The Last Stand.

Yeah but still, i wasnt expecting that, but X2 by far had the best ending with the Pheonix in the water, so perfect

[Symbiote789]

I meant to say unexpecting in my last post.

Did Abomination die in TIH?
EDIT:Nevermind

[rjh'012]

Scott Summer/Cyclops: X-Men: The Last Stand

Professor X: X-Men: The Last Stand

Rachel Dawes: The Dark Knight

I knew Rachel's was going to happen. But they way it happened shocked me. I really do not like seeing characters that I like get blown up. :( And that's what they are; the most unexpected deaths. It's the same in real life.

Those are it for me so far.

Yeah, same for me. I liked Rachels death scene. Cyclops should have been the one to save Jean instead of Wolverine.

[shadow_spidey]

Yeah but still, i wasnt expecting that, but X2 by far had the best ending with the Pheonix in the water, so perfect

Yeah. :) But I knew that she would turn into the Phoenix. And X2 was the best X-Men movie so far. I don't know if I'll count X-Men Origins: Wolverine or not. I'll have to see next year.

[tim_mcoy15]

Rachel Dawes- TDK

i hated that she died! i thought that when Harvey knocked over the barrels, i thought the bombs were gonna malfunction and light him on fire while Rachel was saved....but NOOOOOOO! why do the hot girls always die?! :cry:

[Lawnmower Man]

For me...

Venom in Spiderman 3... because of his short apperance I figured he may just live.

Two-Face in TDK... He may not have died but in the book he did... in the movie you really couldnt tell... still also because he didnt have so much time and I hoped he would return for a Batman 3

Uncle Ben in Spiderman.. Just Kiddin

:)... As for Rachel, I felt she would die. It was better though because she was the only thing that kept him from being Batman, without her gone he would have no reason to give up his mantle... so now he has only Batman.

[Lawnmower Man]

I meant to say unexpecting in my last post.

Did Abomination die in TIH?
EDIT:Nevermind

Abomination didnt die... he was only beaten by the Hulk. Great Movie. :congrats:

[webhead988]

Two-Face in TDK - Just to confirm Lawnmower Man's questioning, Two-Face is dead. He shouldn't have though. He didn't have much to do. Big last minute villains never worked in a superhero movie..Venom and Two-Face show that.

Cyclops in X-Men: The Last Stand - By far the worst and cheapest death ever in any superhero movie. It was a passionless and uninspired and obvious cheap trick to write him out cause the stupid writer didn't even know what to do with his endless possibilities. It was so terrible, I didn't even know or believe he died cause it was done so terribly.

In fact I just had a dream about his death scene which I'll post in the dream thread after this.

Professor X in X-Men: The Last Stand

Chas in Constantine - So many deaths in that movie...

The Mayor in TDK.

[Caveboy0]

Two-Face in TDK - Just to confirm Lawnmower Man's questioning, Two-Face is dead. He shouldn't have though. He didn't have much to do. Big last minute villains never worked in a superhero movie..Venom and Two-Face show that.

Cyclops in X-Men: The Last Stand - By far the worst and cheapest death ever in any superhero movie. It was a passionless and uninspired and obvious cheap trick to write him out cause the stupid writer didn't even know what to do with his endless possibilities. It was so terrible, I didn't even know or believe he died cause it was done so terribly.

In fact I just had a dream about his death scene which I'll post in the dream thread after this.

Professor X in X-Men: The Last Stand

Chas in Constantine - So many deaths in that movie...

The Mayor in TDK.

i thought two-face was there a good amount of time. stop talking like he was only there for like 6 minutes. i don't care if he lives or dies he was there long enough but i wouldn't mind more. also you guys don't seem to understand how revenge stories work they don't last very long. why do you think harry lost his memory so they can extend his story.

[webhead9707]

Rachel Dawes: TDK

Well, it really wasn't expecting (for me),I also knew it was gonna happen. I liked that she was talking then KA-BOOM!!!!!!!

I also have to add

Jean Grey in X2
Professor X X3

THOSE AND, EVEN THOUGH ITS NOT A HERO, MARION DIENG ON THE ROBIN HOOD SO ON BBC AMERICA

[webhead988]

i thought two-face was there a good amount of time. stop talking like he was only there for like 6 minutes.'QUOTE]
I wasn't. And he was a last minute villain in the sense he came in near the end of the film.
[QUOTE]i don't care if he lives or dies he was there long enough but i wouldn't mind more.also you guys don't seem to understand how revenge stories work they don't last very long. why do you think harry lost his memory so they can extend his story.
That doesn't apply to all revenge stories. And I would have wanted him to live. There's more he could have done then just link all back to a revenge story. They don't have to last for about 15 minutes of screentime and just end like that.

[Caveboy0]

[QUOTE=Caveboy0;556371]i thought two-face was there a good amount of time. stop talking like he was only there for like 6 minutes.'QUOTE]
I wasn't. And he was a last minute villain in the sense he came in near the end of the film.

That doesn't apply to all revenge stories. And I would have wanted him to live. There's more he could have done then just link all back to a revenge story. They don't have to last for about 15 minutes of screentime and just end like that.

i was fine with his appearance. his story could be extended, but how? he's all done with his revenge. what more can he do.
wait there is one option in batman dark victory two-face was killing off mobsters but it was all secret. at this time the mob and the "freaks" were kind of going at each other. two-face was organizing the freaks.
all im saying was he was there longer than venom and long enough that im satisfied with it. yes his story can be extended but i don't think he had that short of an appearance. he was there for like 25 minutes at least.

[MaxGSpideyFan]

Harvey Two-Face - TDK: Didnt see this coming, I hoped he would be saved for Batman 3, But to be honest im not really bothered that he did die since he was Awesome in TDK and his story was told well

Rachel Dawes - TDK: Again didnt see this coming, But it does make the story more interesting, and it leaves open a new love interest for Bruce/Batman *Cough* Catwomen *Cough*

Venom - SM3: Such a shame he was wasted in SM3 since i was really hopeing they would save him 4, oh well.

[webhead988]

i was fine with his appearance. his story could be extended, but how? he's all done with his revenge. what more can he do.
wait there is one option in batman dark victory two-face was killing off mobsters but it was all secret. at this time the mob and the "freaks" were kind of going at each other. two-face was organizing the freaks.
all im saying was he was there longer than venom and long enough that im satisfied with it. yes his story can be extended but i don't think he had that short of an appearance. he was there for like 25 minutes at least.

yeah but you yourself know movies shouldn't be compared. I agree Two-Face was finished but they could always have written in something else. and i wished he was more physical instead of just shooting a bunch of people and being done with it. He basically died by falling off a roof top and cracking his neck.

[Caveboy0]

yeah but you yourself know movies shouldn't be compared. I agree Two-Face was finished but they could always have written in something else. and i wished he was more physical instead of just shooting a bunch of people and being done with it. He basically died by falling off a roof top and cracking his neck.

these aren't spidey villains you know. when you don't have super powers you use guns. thats what two-face does he shoots people. what do you want him to do matrix style shooting or try and kill people with his fists.

[webhead988]

these aren't spidey villains you know. when you don't have super powers you use guns. thats what two-face does he shoots people. what do you want him to do matrix style shooting or try and kill people with his fists.

hahaha lol that'd be something now wouldn't it??

but honestly, just a bit of a fist fight would have been sweet. I mean look at Joker. He has no superpowers yet he got in a physical fight a whole lot of times in TDK. You don't need superpowers to have a good fight. Batman has no superpowers! Heck, if you need superpowers to fight, there would be NO action movies today, or martial arts movies at all man. Look at the big picture before you post!

[Caveboy0]

hahaha lol that'd be something now wouldn't it??

but honestly, just a bit of a fist fight would have been sweet. I mean look at Joker. He has no superpowers yet he got in a physical fight a whole lot of times in TDK. You don't need superpowers to have a good fight. Batman has no superpowers! Heck, if you need superpowers to fight, there would be NO action movies today, or martial arts movies at all man. Look at the big picture before you post!

im just saying its not in two-faces character. he sees the world as black and white. good and evil. there is no middle so when he kills its fast and quick defining thats why he uses a gun.

on a side note i found TDK script online and it said two-face was dead but you know the part when he had the gun to his head. well the description said that when the coin toss result ended up being the good side it said that he was a little disappointed so his character in the movie didn't want to live thats what they meant him to be. his story was going to end there. he even said there is no escaping. it all ends here.

[rjh'012]

I wonder if Aunt May will ever die?

[web_head_33]

Rachel - tdk

jean - x2

professor x - x3

[webhead988]

im just saying its not in two-faces character. he sees the world as black and white. good and evil. there is no middle so when he kills its fast and quick defining thats why he uses a gun.
It doesn't mean that no one would be able to disarm him. It's perfectly simple to write a scene differently and somehow get Batman or someone disarm him and it results in a fight, instead of Two-Face shooting Batman once, followed by Batman pushing off the roof and it's over.
on a side note i found TDK script online and it said two-face was dead but you know the part when he had the gun to his head. well the description said that when the coin toss result ended up being the good side it said that he was a little disappointed so his character in the movie didn't want to live thats what they meant him to be. his story was going to end there. he even said there is no escaping. it all ends here.
Just cause he said it would didn't make it have to. It's simply more climactic to say that insread of "This will end tonight, that is unless I somehoe manage to live then It'll end another night, but bessiiiiides that! IF nothing goes wrong, this ends tonight!!!:

[Caveboy0]

It doesn't mean that no one would be able to disarm him. It's perfectly simple to write a scene differently and somehow get Batman or someone disarm him and it results in a fight, instead of Two-Face shooting Batman once, followed by Batman pushing off the roof and it's over.

Just cause he said it would didn't make it have to. It's simply more climactic to say that insread of "This will end tonight, that is unless I somehoe manage to live then It'll end another night, but bessiiiiides that! IF nothing goes wrong, this ends tonight!!!:

well what i said before suggested that he doesn't really want to live and just wants revenge and if that was the intension then i doubt he will come back if its just going to be more revenge.

[webhead988]

well what i said before suggested that he doesn't really want to live and just wants revenge and if that was the intension then i doubt he will come back if its just going to be more revenge.

true. that's just the way they wrote him. couldh've added more though if they wanted his story to last longer.

[Rodger-Dodger]

Yeah, same for me. I liked Rachels death scene. Cyclops should have been the one to save Jean instead of Wolverine.

^^^ YEAH THAT!!! Cyclops is Jean's true love. NOT WOLVERINE!!! He's cool, but why does wolverine deserve everything?

[BLACK-SPIDEY]

Rachel Dawes,Proffesor x,Cyclops.

[webhead988]

^^^ YEAH THAT!!! Cyclops is Jean's true love. NOT WOLVERINE!!! He's cool, but why does wolverine deserve everything?

Cyclops deserved more. Period. X-Men was the only X-Men movie that did justice to Cyclops. Instead in the second they completely wasted him by finding some lame excuse to take him out for the whole movie and bring him back at the end only to fight his own team, and the 3rd that practically had a camero and was lamely killed off.

The writers of X2 and The Last Stand couldn't have been stupider.

[Caveboy0]

Cyclops deserved more. Period. X-Men was the only X-Men movie that did justice to Cyclops. Instead in the second they completely wasted him by finding some lame excuse to take him out for the whole movie and bring him back at the end only to fight his own team, and the 3rd that practically had a camero and was lamely killed off.

The writers of X2 and The Last Stand couldn't have been stupider.

cyclops is cool and they really gave him a small role in the movies. with so many characters its good to have a focus, a main character, but wolverine had to much of the spot light they could have had a sub plot between cyclops and jean but they made it all wolverine and some cyclops.

[Rodger-Dodger]

X-Men was the greates of the trilogy. Cyclops had a great part. If it weren't for him, wolverine would have died (remember when he had to "take the shot?"

In fact, if the sentinels would have had a big part of the storyline, cyclops could have had a chance to steal the show. He can kill sentinels easily because of his optic blast. If you saw the introduction to the older animated series, you see cyclops blasting away, destroying a bunch of them at a time.

[shadow_spidey]

Or someone could just throw Wolverine at it or them and cut their heads off. Then land the head in front of the team. :) That would be awesome to see. ;)

[webhead988]

X-Men is the only great X-Men movie. The others are complete dowgrades. And one of the biggest reasons is their complete lack of appreciation for Cyclops in it. You can't have a true X-Men spirit without Cyclops, no matter how many people disagree. Look at the comics. Cyclops is always there, even when Wolverine isn't. He is the friking team leader, and to cheaply cut him out of most of the movie or practically give him a cameo then kill him is an insult. This guy has so much greatness in him, and he's my second favorite X-Men, after Wolverine.

If you think X-Men, first things to come to your mind are Wolverine and Cyclops. That's why I don't find X2 and X3 to be true X-Men films. X-Men is the only true spirited X-Men film because Cyclops actually had a movie. Too bad the writers are too stupid and idiotic to appreciate the character.

[Rodger-Dodger]

Or someone could just throw Wolverine at it or them and cut their heads off. Then land the head in front of the team. :) That would be awesome to see. ;)

Yeah... well, we're talking bout cyclops, not over-used wolverine. lol, j/k.

I never suspected the death of that old guy from Blade:Trinity

[webhead988]

****. I didn't see Blade: Trinity yet.

[shadow_spidey]

X-Men is the only great X-Men movie. The others are complete dowgrades. And one of the biggest reasons is their complete lack of appreciation for Cyclops in it. You can't have a true X-Men spirit without Cyclops, no matter how many people disagree. Look at the comics. Cyclops is always there, even when Wolverine isn't. He is the friking team leader, and to cheaply cut him out of most of the movie or practically give him a cameo then kill him is an insult. This guy has so much greatness in him, and he's my second favorite X-Men, after Wolverine.

If you think X-Men, first things to come to your mind are Wolverine and Cyclops. That's why I don't find X2 and X3 to be true X-Men films. X-Men is the only true spirited X-Men film because Cyclops actually had a movie. Too bad the writers are too stupid and idiotic to appreciate the character.

That's your opinion. But I like Wolverine from the movies. Cartoon is Cyclops. Plus, to me, Hugh Jackmen is a bit more talented than James Marsden.

[Caveboy0]

X-Men is the only great X-Men movie. The others are complete dowgrades. And one of the biggest reasons is their complete lack of appreciation for Cyclops in it. You can't have a true X-Men spirit without Cyclops, no matter how many people disagree. Look at the comics. Cyclops is always there, even when Wolverine isn't. He is the friking team leader, and to cheaply cut him out of most of the movie or practically give him a cameo then kill him is an insult. This guy has so much greatness in him, and he's my second favorite X-Men, after Wolverine.

If you think X-Men, first things to come to your mind are Wolverine and Cyclops. That's why I don't find X2 and X3 to be true X-Men films. X-Men is the only true spirited X-Men film because Cyclops actually had a movie. Too bad the writers are too stupid and idiotic to appreciate the character.

cyclops for me is my 3rd favorite. wolverine is my first. and second is gambet. if i new more about gambet maybe he could be my number one, but i know a lot more about wolverine and i can truly say i like him so he's my favorite.
to comment on the movies i think X2 was a more exciting movie. the first was a little boring to me. but i get what you mean.

[rjh'012]

X-Men is the only great X-Men movie. The others are complete dowgrades. And one of the biggest reasons is their complete lack of appreciation for Cyclops in it. You can't have a true X-Men spirit without Cyclops, no matter how many people disagree. Look at the comics. Cyclops is always there, even when Wolverine isn't. He is the friking team leader, and to cheaply cut him out of most of the movie or practically give him a cameo then kill him is an insult. This guy has so much greatness in him, and he's my second favorite X-Men, after Wolverine.

If you think X-Men, first things to come to your mind are Wolverine and Cyclops. That's why I don't find X2 and X3 to be true X-Men films. X-Men is the only true spirited X-Men film because Cyclops actually had a movie. Too bad the writers are too stupid and idiotic to appreciate the character.

I was just thinking about a X-men remake. For the original X-men I would have Cyclops, Jean Grey, Beast, Iceman, and Storm. Or Should I replace Storm with Angel.

[Caveboy0]

I was just thinking about a X-men remake. For the original X-men I would have Cyclops, Jean Grey, Beast, Iceman, and Storm. Or Should I replace Storm with Angel.

you can't replace storm she's a pretty big character.

[Rodger-Dodger]

That's your opinion. But I like Wolverine from the movies. Cartoon is Cyclops. Plus, to me, Hugh Jackmen is a bit more talented than James Marsden.

I don't think that is fair to say, since Hugh Jackman has had much more opportunity to act in the xmen films, and decided to be in more films. PLus, we aren't talking about actor talents. We are talking about the characters.

Here are some questions I have about the films:

Why didn't cyclops wear his visors AT ALL in X3?
Why hasn't there been at least a CAMEO of wolverine's classic mask somewhere in the background of the Xavier building?
Why don't the sentinels have a bigger part of the story?

[shadow_spidey]

I was just thinking about a X-men remake. For the original X-men I would have Cyclops, Jean Grey, Beast, Iceman, and Storm. Or Should I replace Storm with Angel.
I think if they make a re-make of them. Have the original five. Then introduce new characters each movie. Have Wolverine and Storm be in the next one and so on. :)

I don't think that is fair to say, since Hugh Jackman has had much more opportunity to act in the xmen films, and decided to be in more films. PLus, we aren't talking about actor talents. We are talking about the characters.

Here are some questions I have about the films:

Why didn't cyclops wear his visors AT ALL in X3?
Why hasn't there been at least a CAMEO of wolverine's classic mask somewhere in the background of the Xavier building?
Why don't the sentinels have a bigger part of the story?

But their talent has everything to do with how the character is portrayed. No matter how many lines they have or whatever. But it's all opinion. Some poeple agree with each other some don't. It has everything to do with point of view. And what that person likes and dislikes. And what they've gone through and such. :)

[rjh'012]

you can't replace storm she's a pretty big character.

I know, the first class of X-men were Cyclops, Jean, Beast, Iceman, and Angel. If I created an X-men remake, I would replace Angel with Storm (for diversity and she's a cool character).

[Rodger-Dodger]

I think if they make a re-make of them. Have the original five. Then introduce new characters each movie. Have Wolverine and Storm be in the next one and so on. :)

good idea. THe orginal team looks awesome. I love the cover. Cyclops blasting at magneto, a realistic beast jumping in, etc.

[webhead988]

That's your opinion. But I like Wolverine from the movies. Cartoon is Cyclops. Plus, to me, Hugh Jackmen is a bit more talented than James Marsden.
I love Wolverine. And I thought Hugh Jackman's the most talented of the cast to me. But Rodger is right, the others didn't have as much.
But I was talking about Cyclops, and I think he works perfectly in movies.cyclops for me is my 3rd favorite. wolverine is my first. and second is gambet. if i new more about gambet maybe he could be my number one, but i know a lot more about wolverine and i can truly say i like him so he's my favorite.
to comment on the movies i think X2 was a more exciting movie. the first was a little boring to me. but i get what you mean.
Cool.

I was just thinking about a X-men remake. For the original X-men I would have Cyclops, Jean Grey, Beast, Iceman, and Storm. Or Should I replace Storm with Angel.
To me the first X-Men had the perfect original team. Wolverine, Cyclops, Jean, and Storm. Too bad they just messed it up in the second and third. If Jean and Cyclops were still alive it'd be even better for a 4rth since there'd be Pheonix.

[rjh'012]

Wolverine saved the X-men in every movie. There is no "I" in team.

I know, the first class of X-men were Cyclops, Jean, Beast, Iceman, and Angel. If I created an X-men remake, I would replace Angel with Storm (for diversity and she's a cool character).

I would love to see the human looking Beast turn into the blue furball.

[shadow_spidey]

good idea. THe orginal team looks awesome. I love the cover. Cyclops blasting at magneto, a realistic beast jumping in, etc.

But Beast should be blue and furry. :) Because the normal one or whatever is creepy to me. I think casting Kelsey Grammer was one of the best casting in the X-Men films besides Hugh Jackmen and Patrick Stewart.

[webhead988]

And besides those 2 James Marsden, Patrick Stewart and Ian Mckellen. Hope I spelled it right.

[rjh'012]

And besides those 2 James Marsden, Patrick Stewart and Ian Mckellen. Hope I spelled it right.

Patrick Stewart was a great Professor X. James Marsden never really got to show his talent as Cyclops. The movies should be titled Wolverine and the X-Men. lol

Have Beast with human features. Later on we can have him turn blue, which would add alot of drama to the series.

[Spider-Vader]

Rachel
Two-Face
Cyclops
Professor X

Most Surprising Non-Deaths:
Joker (TDK)
Abomination (TIH)
Sandman
Scarecrow

[webhead988]

Patrick Stewart was a great Professor X. James Marsden never really got to show his talent as Cyclops. The movies should be titled Wolverine and the X-Men. lol

Have Beast with human features. Later on we can have him turn blue, which would add alot of drama to the series.

haha The Very Exciting Adventures of Wolverine and his Mutant Friends.

But Marsden showed off his skills in the first and he was great. And even in his ultra small cameo in the third he was great...too bad his talent was so wasted in the last 2.

[rjh'012]

Cyclops is a major and powerful character. The guy has laser canons for eyes.
Does everyone agree on having the original X-men (Cyclops,Jean,Iceman,Beast, and Angel) or should Angel be replaced for Storm?

[web_head_33]

X-Men is the only great X-Men movie. The others are complete dowgrades. And one of the biggest reasons is their complete lack of appreciation for Cyclops in it. You can't have a true X-Men spirit without Cyclops, no matter how many people disagree. Look at the comics. Cyclops is always there, even when Wolverine isn't. He is the friking team leader, and to cheaply cut him out of most of the movie or practically give him a cameo then kill him is an insult. This guy has so much greatness in him, and he's my second favorite X-Men, after Wolverine.

If you think X-Men, first things to come to your mind are Wolverine and Cyclops. That's why I don't find X2 and X3 to be true X-Men films. X-Men is the only true spirited X-Men film because Cyclops actually had a movie. Too bad the writers are too stupid and idiotic to appreciate the character.

ur opinion. for me i thought the second one was better

[BackinBlack07]

To be fair, there were rumors that Rachel was going to die anyway in TDK, plus Aaron Eckhart kind of spoiled it in an interview when he said that Dent's fiance is killed.

[Spider-Vader]

Cyclops is a major and powerful character. The guy has laser canons for eyes.
Does everyone agree on having the original X-men (Cyclops,Jean,Iceman,Beast, and Angel) or should Angel be replaced for Storm?
Yeah, then have Wolvie in the sequel.
Storm>Angel.

[webhead988]

To be fair, there were rumors that Rachel was going to die anyway in TDK, plus Aaron Eckhart kind of spoiled it in an interview when he said that Dent's fiance is killed.

Yeah, I was unfortunately one of those who read it in a movie magazine....that was a really stupid move on Eckhart's part. I saw it coming since then. Pretty much killed the tension in the bomb sequence.

[Caveboy0]

Yeah, I was unfortunately one of those who read it in a movie magazine....that was a really stupid move on Eckhart's part. I saw it coming since then. Pretty much killed the tension in the bomb sequence.

i read it and i didn't believe it and i really didn't want to believe it because i didn't want to get spoiled so i took it to be false and when it happened i was still surprised. yeah me i wasn't spoiled. well i still was but i didn't believe it.

[web_head_33]

Yeah, I was unfortunately one of those who read it in a movie magazine....that was a really stupid move on Eckhart's part. I saw it coming since then. Pretty much killed the tension in the bomb sequence.

u know echkart really gave the movie away. he said his fiance died and he gave away that two face pic

[MaxGSpideyFan]

ur opinion. for me i thought the second one was better

:spidey_yeah_that:

[Caveboy0]

I don't think that is fair to say, since Hugh Jackman has had much more opportunity to act in the xmen films, and decided to be in more films. PLus, we aren't talking about actor talents. We are talking about the characters.

Here are some questions I have about the films:

Why didn't cyclops wear his visors AT ALL in X3?
Why hasn't there been at least a CAMEO of wolverine's classic mask somewhere in the background of the Xavier building?
Why don't the sentinels have a bigger part of the story?

cyclops didn't wear them because he was only in the movie for like 10 min.
the classic wolverine mask would look really stupid in real life. really only spidey's costume looks cool in real life. the sentinels are a little unrealistic i mean they are giant robots they don't even exist yet. and it would have to be cgi and that might not look that real.

[rjh'012]

cyclops didn't wear them because he was only in the movie for like 10 min.
the classic wolverine mask would look really stupid in real life. really only spidey's costume looks cool in real life. the sentinels are a little unrealistic i mean they are giant robots they don't even exist yet. and it would have to be cgi and that might not look that real.

I think we could have Sentinels. If we can have giant monsters (Godzilla and Cloverfield) we can have Sentinels. What do you mean they don't exist, superheroes don't even exist. The Wolverine mask would look silly.

[rjh'012]

I think we could have Sentinels. If we can have giant monsters (Godzilla and Cloverfield) we can have Sentinels. What do you mean they don't exist, superheroes don't even exist. The Wolverine mask would look silly.

We did have Transformers.

[Caveboy0]

I think we could have Sentinels. If we can have giant monsters (Godzilla and Cloverfield) we can have Sentinels. What do you mean they don't exist, superheroes don't even exist. The Wolverine mask would look silly.

well im just saying technology wise. it seems way to advanced to be in a movie that is set in our present time. for me it needs a little redesign. i mean its colors are purple and pink.

[Caveboy0]

We did have Transformers.

your right robots can be made but that is tons of work to have the sentinels and add the effects for the mutants.

[Spider-Vader]

u know echkart really gave the movie away. he said his fiance died and he gave away that two face pic

If you saw Terminator 3 it really wasn't shocking.

http://www.cyberpunkreview.com/images/Terminator3-09.jpg

[rjh'012]

your right robots can be made but that is tons of work to have the sentinels and add the effects for the mutants.

Thats why in America, anything is possible. But you do have a point, it would cost a bundle of money.

[webhead988]

cyclops didn't wear them because he was only in the movie for like 10 min.


Not even. 5 minutes max.

[Lawnmower Man]

The Mayor in TDK.[/QUOTE]


The mayor never died... Joker tried to kill him and Jim Gordon deflected the bullet allowing it to hit his bullet proof vest.

[Arcainite]

My award goes to X-Men 3 for the death of both Cyclops and Professor Xavier. I can't tell you how many times I expected Cyclops to show up at the end alive, because of Jean's love for him conquering the Phoenix's dark desire for killing. I was genuinely surprised not only how quickly he was killed when he was there for Jean, but without his glasses unless his power was drained temporarily, there's no way he could be alive unless he was knocked out with his eyelids closed. We would see his optic blast. What a message to send to people: never give up hope on the one you love, but then they kill you.
With Professor Xavier, he's "died" quite a few times in the comics and always managed to come back from it. It helps when you can astrally leave your body in his case. I can't say it was a surprise, but it was also a somewhat disappointing death.
Cyclops' death was the biggest surprise death in a comic book movie.

In a regular movie, the most surprising death for me was in Deep Blue Sea mid-movie. If you've seen the movie, I think you know the scene I'm talking about.
I don't want to spoil it even in spoilers. You will know instantly what scene I'm talking about if you see the movie. There's a great speech in there that inspires everybody.

[Arcainite]

We did have Transformers.
The death of Jazz in Transformers was surprising to a lot of people.

[webhead988]

My award goes to X-Men 3 for the death of both Cyclops and Professor Xavier. I can't tell you how many times I expected Cyclops to show up at the end alive, because of Jean's love for him conquering the Phoenix's dark desire for killing. I was genuinely surprised not only how quickly he was killed when he was there for Jean, but without his glasses unless his power was drained temporarily, there's no way he could be alive unless he was knocked out with his eyelids closed. We would see his optic blast. What a message to send to people: never give up hope on the one you love, but then they kill you.
With Professor Xavier, he's "died" quite a few times in the comics and always managed to come back from it. It helps when you can astrally leave your body in his case. I can't say it was a surprise, but it was also a somewhat disappointing death.
Cyclops' death was the biggest surprise death in a comic book movie.

In a regular movie, the most surprising death for me was in Deep Blue Sea mid-movie. If you've seen the movie, I think you know the scene I'm talking about.


that's what i was meaning. his death was so poorly handled. and cyclops was just completely out of character. he's a leader. he even told the professor in the first movie he'd take care of the team no matter what. the writers couldn't care less about him and totally insulted what Cyclops stood for. He's a leader and what they did was make him completely forget his responsibilities and goes and gets what he wants. and he ends up getting killed so cheaply without even coming back to redeem himself. i expected him to return and redeem himself but the writers are just a bunch of immoral idiots...

the death was so poorly handled i didn't even know he was dead until they had to say it.The death of Jazz in Transformers was surprising to a lot of people.

yeah it was pretty ironic...the only transformer to get killed was the black guy...

[webhead988]

The death of Jazz in Transformers was surprising to a lot of people.

yeah it was pretty ironic...the only transformer to get killed was the black guy...

[Ock/Joker fan]

Xavier's death in X-Men 3.

Absolute BS! You don't kill off Charles. Cyclops wasn't that surprising since he'd been a nothing character since X-Men 2.

[rjh'012]

I wonder if a superheo movie, will ever kill the hero (die trying). Actually, that would be pretty cool. Maybe they can do it to Captain America (Steve Rogers)

[webhead988]

It already happened.

The Death of The Incredible Hulk.
V For Vendetta

[Ock/Joker fan]

Jean Grey "died" saving her fellow X-Men at the end of X-Men 2.

[webhead988]

I really didn't like how they revived her and just made her so dam evil to the end...if only she became good at the end like in the comics. and killing Charles was just wrong, seeing how strong they showed her relationship with him was in the first. the writers weren't thinking about the first 2 movies when they wrote the third.

[Spider-Tim 075]

I agree with Rachel in TDK

[webhead988]

It would have been more if Eckhart hadn't practically told us before the movie came out.

[Symbiote789]

u know echkart really gave the movie away. he said his fiance died and he gave away that two face pic

I know, I was so PO'ed at him

[webhead988]

another surprise death

electra in the time i saw daredevil.

[Caveboy0]

another surprise death

electra in the time i saw daredevil.

not for me because for some reason i knew at the time that in the comics electra died and then was resurrected.

[webhead988]

oh. well i didn't know so it was a surprise.

[rjh'012]

I met this guy who said:
1. King Kong's death was a surprise to him.
2. He didn't think the people would die in Titanic.

For me:
1. I didn't even think that Will Turner would become a zombie in POTC: AT WORLD'S END.
2. I thought the girl in Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning would survive.

[Caveboy0]

I met this guy who said:
1. King Kong's death was a surprise to him.
2. He didn't think the people would die in Titanic.

For me:
1. I didn't even think that Will Turner would become a zombie in POTC: AT WORLD'S END.
2. I thought the girl in Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning would survive.

he didn't think people would die in titanic? what? did he mean like he thought absolutely nobody would have died.

[web_head_33]

I met this guy who said:
1. King Kong's death was a surprise to him.
2. He didn't think the people would die in Titanic.

For me:
1. I didn't even think that Will Turner would become a zombie in POTC: AT WORLD'S END.
2. I thought the girl in Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning would survive.

did this guy think that titanic was like a fairy tale that ended happily efer after. com on evryone knows that so many people died

[webhead988]

I didn't even think that Will Turner would become a zombie in POTC: AT WORLD'S END.

Because he didn't. He turned into a flying Dutchmen. The Dutchmen only turned gross cause Davy corrupted his purpose. And even then they weren't zombies.

[calebyourmaster]

Professor X was thee most expected...Rachel being up there
and Jazz
...those are mine

[Rodger-Dodger]

That old guy from Hellboy!

[webhead988]

...those are mine
the first being most expected or most unexpected?That old guy from Hellboy!
Professor Broom!!!

[Keehar]

Rachel Dawes. She's sitting there talking and then BOOM.

[webhead988]

Seeing as I was already spoiled and knew she would probably bite the dust, I was actually expecting the explosion to come right at that moment. But I must say I was startled.

[lopli]

Rachel in TDK
Two-face in TDK

[BackinBlack07]

Two-face in TDK

He's not dead.

[xFredSlacks77x]

jean grey in x2

cyclops in x3

rachel dawes in tdk

aaron eckhart in tdk

eddie brock in spidey3

the batman and xmen movies have been pretty good at killing characters you would not expect- but other than them most deaths have been expected.

[lopli]

He's not dead.
Well,I thought he died until I thought about how much story was left open for two-face and stuff.It isn't really a death but it was unexpected.I thought Joker would die since Heath died and they won't use him again cause' that would be stupid to use someone else besides Heath.

[web_head_33]

He's not dead.

actually according to the script that was found it said that two face was lying on the ground neck broken and dead. so according to the script he died

[Caveboy0]

jean grey in x2

cyclops in x3

rachel dawes in tdk

aaron eckhart in tdk

eddie brock in spidey3

the batman and xmen movies have been pretty good at killing characters you would not expect- but other than them most deaths have been expected.


aaron eckhart? he didn't die his character did. you don't remember harvey dent?

[webhead988]

He's not dead.

Yes he is.

[xFredSlacks77x]

It Is Unknown Whether Two Face Is Alive Or Dead, And Since Everyone Has Their Own Opinions Lets Not Argue About This Again

[web_head_33]

It Is Unknown Whether Two Face Is Alive Or Dead, And Since Everyone Has Their Own Opinions Lets Not Argue About This Again

actually according to the script he is dead. but they haven't said it officially i hope they chose to bring him back

[xFredSlacks77x]

actually according to the script he is dead. but they haven't said it officially i hope they chose to bring him back

i know that the script says harvey died... but it did say HARVEY died. i know its really tricky, but i could see nolan bringing back two-face for the 3rd film in full form. eckhart says hes interested in doing a third film, so its obviously not set in stone that he is dead... it just looks that way for now.

[web_head_33]

i know that the script says harvey died... but it did say HARVEY died. i know its really tricky, but i could see nolan bringing back two-face for the 3rd film in full form. eckhart says hes interested in doing a third film, so its obviously not set in stone that he is dead... it just looks that way for now.

yeah nolan may bring him back and i hope he does. i think aaron eckhart signed on for two films i think maybe for flash backs or maybe to be two face. i hope they bring two face back cuz hes a great villain and he should have more screen time

[xFredSlacks77x]

yeah nolan may bring him back and i hope he does. i think aaron eckhart signed on for two films i think maybe for flash backs or maybe to be two face. i hope they bring two face back cuz hes a great villain and he should have more screen time

i agree.... and theres not one member in the audience that was fully sold on his death. they did a great job at closing the storyline, but at the same time leaving a chance for two face to return. if he doesnt return, it wouldnt be the end of the world, but i think bringing him back is the first step in the impossible task of topping the dark knight.

[web_head_33]

i agree.... and theres not one member in the audience that was fully sold on his death. they did a great job at closing the storyline, but at the same time leaving a chance for two face to return. if he doesnt return, it wouldnt be the end of the world, but i think bringing him back is the first step in the impossible task of topping the dark knight.

yeah thats the thing how do u top the dark knight its gonna be really hard.

[xFredSlacks77x]

i think you start by bringing back two face. then you bring in a familiar villain done in a unique way (riddler, catwoman, penguin). you do not recast the joker, unless only is voice and lips in a small creepy scene at arkham. have an overarching message that people can relate to in todays world. work on the action scenes even more. stay dark. have batman redeem himself in the end. dont introduce a female friend for bruce unless she is dire for the plot. dont try to hard to top yourself... make a complete seperate film, not one that piggybacks on all tdk's glory. do not include robin.

[web_head_33]

i think you start by bringing back two face. then you bring in a familiar villain done in a unique way (riddler, catwoman, penguin). you do not recast the joker, unless only is voice and lips in a small creepy scene at arkham. have an overarching message that people can relate to in todays world. work on the action scenes even more. stay dark. have batman redeem himself in the end. dont introduce a female friend for bruce unless she is dire for the plot. dont try to hard to top yourself... make a complete seperate film, not one that piggybacks on all tdk's glory. do not include robin.

yeah thats great

[xFredSlacks77x]

yeah thats great

thanks but sadly its much easier said then done... if not i'll gladly take the directing role in film 3.

[rjh'012]

I heard that according to the script, Two- Face died.

[web_head_33]

I heard that according to the script, Two- Face died.

we already pointed that out read the posts above

[Caveboy0]

i think you start by bringing back two face. then you bring in a familiar villain done in a unique way (riddler, catwoman, penguin). you do not recast the joker, unless only is voice and lips in a small creepy scene at arkham. have an overarching message that people can relate to in todays world. work on the action scenes even more. stay dark. have batman redeem himself in the end. dont introduce a female friend for bruce unless she is dire for the plot. dont try to hard to top yourself... make a complete seperate film, not one that piggybacks on all tdk's glory. do not include robin.

you have to think about why two-face can't come back other than him being dead. the films are about batman helping gotham and if word gets out that harvey was a murderer and stuff gotham would take one step back and these movies fallow a optimistic gotham it would be good for gotham and it wouldn't make sense if he comes back and gotham still gets better. riddler is the logical choice maybe bring in the hush story line. and what are you talking about make it completely separate? TDK ended with batman being wanted that is going to be a big focus for the sequel. the movie can't separate itself.

[web_head_33]

hey i just found this out about mark whalberg and max payne trashing the dark knight

http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/08/28/mark-wahlberg-says-max-payne-the-dark-knight/

[Caveboy0]

hey i just found this out about mark whalberg and max payne trashing the dark knight

http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/08/28/mark-wahlberg-says-max-payne-the-dark-knight/

he's not trashing it. he's saying his will be more bad ***. which it probably will but idk about better. it find it kind of funny.

[web_head_33]

he's not trashing it. he's saying his will be more bad ***. which it probably will but idk about better. it find it kind of funny.

yeah sorry trashing is not the right word. i definetley don't think it will be better

[xFredSlacks77x]

you have to think about why two-face can't come back other than him being dead. the films are about batman helping gotham and if word gets out that harvey was a murderer and stuff gotham would take one step back and these movies fallow a optimistic gotham it would be good for gotham and it wouldn't make sense if he comes back and gotham still gets better. riddler is the logical choice maybe bring in the hush story line. and what are you talking about make it completely separate? TDK ended with batman being wanted that is going to be a big focus for the sequel. the movie can't separate itself.

i wouldnt bring in hush just yet... there are many more older more worthy villains to be used. if harvey comes back gotham will hit rock bottom, which i am pretty sure this film will be showing. we do not know that gotham will become better during this film... we assume it will happen, but it will probebly take the whole film. i think it would work very well if harvey came back and gotham saw what their hero became... it would give closure to the situation.

and what i meant by making the film separate is that you shouldnt carbon copy the dark knight because it was so good. make it fresh and bring new ideas...

[Caveboy0]

i wouldnt bring in hush just yet... there are many more older more worthy villains to be used. if harvey comes back gotham will hit rock bottom, which i am pretty sure this film will be showing. we do not know that gotham will become better during this film... we assume it will happen, but it will probebly take the whole film. i think it would work very well if harvey came back and gotham saw what their hero became... it would give closure to the situation.

and what i meant by making the film separate is that you shouldnt carbon copy the dark knight because it was so good. make it fresh and bring new ideas...

they won't make a copy but i still see the films as more optimistic than the comics. and i doesn't feel right to bring him back. and your right hush is a story that should be made later on it works better if characters are already established.

[doc_octavius04]

Jean Grey and Professor X in X3: X-Men United, and (you guys must have seen this coming) Doctor Octopus in SM2.

YES, I'm serious about the latter. It should not have happened.

[doc_octavius04]

He's not dead.

Don't worry. You're not the only one in denial. jk But I already know that Doctor Octopus is coming back. ^^It's basic forensic deduction, people! We were given more then enough proof!!
:innocent:

[Rodger-Dodger]

Aaron Eckhart is such a great actor.

I'm pretty sure Two-Face is dead. I mean, they had ceremonies for him. But I do hope he comes back.

[tim_mcoy15]

Don't worry. You're not the only one in denial. jk But I already know that Doctor Octopus is coming back. ^^It's basic forensic deduction, people! We were given more then enough proof!!
:innocent :



u are sooo in denial girl! :p there is no way in HELL hes coming back. and what proof do u have?! hes a genius he can always come back? huh-uh...:rolleyes:

[Rodger-Dodger]

Doc Ock and Two-Face are most liekly dead.

[Arcainite]

Aaron Eckhart is such a great actor.

I'm pretty sure Two-Face is dead. I mean, they had ceremonies for him. But I do hope he comes back.
In Detective Comics #66 from August, 1941 "The Crimes of Two-Face" (1st app.) we see Batman recommend to Harvey a European specialist in plastic surgery. The name of the doctor is Dr. Ekhart! Arriving at the doctor's house however, they discover that he had gone to visit his brother in Germany and was put into a concentration camp.
Eckhart and Ekhart are eerily similar...
PS - The best Two-Face origin I've seen is from Batman Annual #14 (1990). It's called "Eye of the Beholder."

[xFredSlacks77x]

In Detective Comics #66 from August, 1941 "The Crimes of Two-Face" (1st app.) we see Batman recommend to Harvey a European specialist in plastic surgery. The name of the doctor is Dr. Ekhart! Arriving at the doctor's house however, they discover that he had gone to visit his brother in Germany and was put into a concentration camp.
Eckhart and Ekhart are eerily similar...
PS - The best Two-Face origin I've seen is from Batman Annual #14 (1990). It's called "Eye of the Beholder."

thats pretty funny/coincidental... i would say that if two-face is dead at the end of the dark knight it is the number one most unexpected death. everyone expected two face to be set up for batman 3, and if he is really dead they fooled us all. at the same time, there will always be speculation that two-face is alive, so the next movie would be smart to close the storyline in some way dead or alive... sometimes its better to imprison a villain than kill him in terms of convincing a fanbase.

[web_head_33]

thats pretty funny/coincidental... i would say that if two-face is dead at the end of the dark knight it is the number one most unexpected death. everyone expected two face to be set up for batman 3, and if he is really dead they fooled us all. at the same time, there will always be speculation that two-face is alive, so the next movie would be smart to close the storyline in some way dead or alive... sometimes its better to imprison a villain than kill him in terms of convincing a fanbase.

i agree

[doc_octavius04]

u are sooo in denial girl! there is no way in HELL hes coming back. and what proof do u have?! hes a genius he can always come back? huh-uh...

*sigh* How many times must I explain this? :rolleyes:

Stan Lee, a producer of the Spider-man movies(and of course, Spidey's creator), saying he never likes to kill off the villains, that enigmatic message from Sam Raimi to Alfred Molina, saying "Ock's not dead, he just disappeared", that HUGE headline at the end of the 'Ock-umentary', you know, the one that took up the ENTIRE SCREEN saying "DOC OCK LIVES" on it? Why would they have put that up if he was truly dead?

O.K, so my evidence may be a little circumstantial, and there is more proof(that I'll remember later; I just woke up), but how can you argue with proof like that? :p

I'm telling you, when Otto Octavius makes his triumphant return to the big screen, I shall be sitting here and laughing at those who dared to mock me.

[Symbiote789]

I'm pretty sure that Ock is dead.

[Ock/Joker fan]

I'm pretty sure that Ock is dead.

http://www.samruby.com/AmazingSpider-ManA/Large/AmazingSpider-Man089.jpg

[Jick08]

I'm telling you, when Otto Octavius makes his triumphant return to the big screen, I shall be sitting here and laughing at those who dared to mock me.
and what's the point of bringing him back?
he's not a bad guy anyway.

[Keehar]

Ock is alive

[doc_octavius04]

http://www.samruby.com/AmazingSpider-ManA/Large/AmazingSpider-Man089.jpg

THANK YOU!! :bowdown:

and what's the point of bringing him back?
he's not a bad guy anyway.

'Cuz. When he was sinking after the reactor, the lack of oxygen may have warped his mind.

That's one possible explanation.

Ock is alive

YES!! I'm NOT the only one who thinks so!! *victory dance*

[tim_mcoy15]

http://www.samruby.com/AmazingSpider-ManA/Large/AmazingSpider-Man089.jpg

what does that have to do with anything?

[Jick08]

'Cuz. When he was sinking after the reactor, the lack of oxygen may have warped his mind.

That's one possible explanation.
it's lame. why would it make him bad?
"oh...I have extra arms that I got somehow...so I'll use it to do bad things."
what would you have him do?
rob banks? build his machine again?
have him again to become good at the end again?
this would go against the theme of SM2.
Ock is my fav villain of this movies...don't ruin that.

[tim_mcoy15]

just to make him bad? it's lame. what would you have him do?
rob banks? build his machine again?
have him again to become good at the end again?
this would go against the theme of SM2.
Ock is my fav villain of this movies...don't ruin that.

agreed. the only reason she thinks he can come back is because shes in denial....no offense. (just in case)
the only vilans i can see returning EVER are Venom or GG.
Venom-as much as it would be a kinda bad idea, the symbiote might be able to ressurect Eddie or somethin.
GG-the goblin serum...not to mention it happened in the comics.

[Ock/Joker fan]

what does that have to do with anything?

Watch the Ockumentary on the Spider-Man 2 DVD when they talk about villains supposedly dying.

They show that comic book, and another one from ASM #11, which has the caption 'The Return of Doctor Octopus' on it.

By the way, Venom is dead. He's a pile of ashes. Ressurrect that :D

[doc_octavius04]

what does that have to do with anything?

It's the headline that took up THE ENTIRE SCREEN at the end of the Ock-umentary.

agreed. the only reason she thinks he can come back is because shes in denial....no offense. (just in case)
the only vilans i can see returning EVER are Venom or GG.
Venom-as much as it would be a kinda bad idea, the symbiote might be able to ressurect Eddie or somethin.
GG-the goblin serum...not to mention it happened in the comics.

UGH!! If I hear ONE MORE PERSON tell me I'm in denial...

I'm not in denial! I'm merely providing evidence for a point that I know is true! As I said, it's basic forensics. Gather evidence to prove a case. And I've had plenty of it to back mine up.

If you people feel I don't have the right to express my opinion without getting flamed, then leave me the hell alone. :mad:

Watch the Ockumentary on the Spider-Man 2 DVD when they talk about villains supposedly dying.

They show that comic book, and another one from ASM #11, which has the caption 'The Return of Doctor Octopus' on it.

THANK YOU! I could use someone to help me prove my point!

By the way, Venom is dead. He's a pile of ashes. Ressurrect thatYeah, I notice when people talk about Venom getting brought back, they're never told they're in denial! Or is that just because Venom is the most recent villain in a Spidey movie? Is that it? HUH!?:rant:

I have taken SO MANY PEOPLE telling me I'm in denial. I'm fed up to my ears with it!! I have a right to my opinion without being insulted. If you don't think so, then screw you.

[MaxGSpideyFan]

Here is some more proof that Two-Face is Dead for people who believe he is alive from Batman on Film:

I told y'all he was dead.
I told y'all they told me that he was dead. But yet, some of you just didn't want to believe. Here's what Aaron Eckhart himself had to say:

"I'm dead. I couldn't even get the words out of my mouth. 'Hey, Chris, am I--?' 'No. You're dead. You're dead.' It'd be easier than anything to bring him back, but...it's like Chris said on the tour. He wasn't thinking about the next movie when he made [THE DARK KNIGHT]. All the vegetables were in this stew. I think that this franchise has shown that it doesn't have to bring back characters."

Aaron also says that he's heard Angelina Jolie does indeed want the role of Catwoman -- IF Nolan uses the character -- and the thinks Heath Ledger may have returned as The Joker in BATMAN 3 if he hadn't passed away.

[Caveboy0]

Here is some more proof that Two-Face is Dead for people who believe he is alive from Batman on Film:

I told y'all he was dead.
I told y'all they told me that he was dead. But yet, some of you just didn't want to believe. Here's what Aaron Eckhart himself had to say:

"I'm dead. I couldn't even get the words out of my mouth. 'Hey, Chris, am I--?' 'No. You're dead. You're dead.' It'd be easier than anything to bring him back, but...it's like Chris said on the tour. He wasn't thinking about the next movie when he made [THE DARK KNIGHT]. All the vegetables were in this stew. I think that this franchise has shown that it doesn't have to bring back characters."

Aaron also says that he's heard Angelina Jolie does indeed want the role of Catwoman -- IF Nolan uses the character -- and the thinks Heath Ledger may have returned as The Joker in BATMAN 3 if he hadn't passed away.

every single super hero movie until now has killed the villains or at least the main ones. TDK really proved the opposite of what you say and thats that you don't have to always kill the villain/s. scarecrow and joker are still alive.

[Caveboy0]

It's the headline that took up THE ENTIRE SCREEN at the end of the Ock-umentary.



UGH!! If I hear ONE MORE PERSON tell me I'm in denial...

I'm not in denial! I'm merely providing evidence for a point that I know is true! As I said, it's basic forensics. Gather evidence to prove a case. And I've had plenty of it to back mine up.

If you people feel I don't have the right to express my opinion without getting flamed, then leave me the hell alone. :mad:



THANK YOU! I could use someone to help me prove my point!

Yeah, I notice when people talk about Venom getting brought back, they're never told they're in denial! Or is that just because Venom is the most recent villain in a Spidey movie? Is that it? HUH!?:rant:

I have taken SO MANY PEOPLE telling me I'm in denial. I'm fed up to my ears with it!! I have a right to my opinion without being insulted. If you don't think so, then screw you.

actually after i saw sm2 i kind of expected somewhere off shore doc ocks arm would pop out but it didn't. i know the possibilities, but the intensions of the character are almost indefinite. you saw ock sinking to the bottom mouth and eyes wide open. consious living people don't do that under water. they wouldn't have shown that if they wanted him to be alive. yes there is the possibility but i don't see and reason to believe that the writer's would want to bring him back or have ever wanted to bring him back.

[web_head_33]

Here is some more proof that Two-Face is Dead for people who believe he is alive from Batman on Film:

I told y'all he was dead.
I told y'all they told me that he was dead. But yet, some of you just didn't want to believe. Here's what Aaron Eckhart himself had to say:

"I'm dead. I couldn't even get the words out of my mouth. 'Hey, Chris, am I--?' 'No. You're dead. You're dead.' It'd be easier than anything to bring him back, but...it's like Chris said on the tour. He wasn't thinking about the next movie when he made [THE DARK KNIGHT]. All the vegetables were in this stew. I think that this franchise has shown that it doesn't have to bring back characters."

Aaron also says that he's heard Angelina Jolie does indeed want the role of Catwoman -- IF Nolan uses the character -- and the thinks Heath Ledger may have returned as The Joker in BATMAN 3 if he hadn't passed away.

i heard that like i said to a lot of people hes dead

[xFredSlacks77x]

yes it is very likely that doc oc could be alive, but he wont come back in one of the movies in this spidey franchise. it would be redundant, their wouldnt be a good enough storyline, and there are many so many other villains spidey could fight for a first time that havent been used. i am not saying doc oc is dead... he could be living in the apartment right under aunt may. what i am saying is that he will not return because it would take away from the power and message of spider-man 2, will seem silly to the audience, and he would not get the public as excited as a new villain.

like jick said... dont ruin my favorite villain in the series.

[BackinBlack07]

Why did they have to kill Two-Face? There was so much more they could've done with him!:cry:

[Arcainite]

every single super hero movie until now has killed the villains or at least the main ones. TDK really proved the opposite of what you say and thats that you don't have to always kill the villain/s. scarecrow and joker are still alive.
I don't know which ones you've seen, but there are a lot of superhero movies where they don't kill the villains. Daredevil, Fantastic Four, and Superman being some examples.

[Symbiote789]

I don't know which ones you've seen, but there are a lot of superhero movies where they don't kill the villains. Daredevil, Fantastic Four, and Superman being some examples.

:spidey_yeah_that:

[MaxGSpideyFan]

I don't know which ones you've seen, but there are a lot of superhero movies where they don't kill the villains. Daredevil, Fantastic Four, and Superman being some examples.

Yes but in those film series they've only had one villian in the entire series, Superman only had Lex Luthor and Fantastic four only had Dr Doom.

[Caveboy0]

I don't know which ones you've seen, but there are a lot of superhero movies where they don't kill the villains. Daredevil, Fantastic Four, and Superman being some examples.

those are comic book hero's with not a great amount of good villains. they can't kill them because who else could they use. batman has such a great variety of villains that killing them off shouldn't be a problem but they chose not too.

[doc_octavius04]

yes it is very likely that doc oc could be alive, but he wont come back in one of the movies in this spidey franchise. it would be redundant, their wouldnt be a good enough storyline, and there are many so many other villains spidey could fight for a first time that havent been used. i am not saying doc oc is dead... he could be living in the apartment right under aunt may. what i am saying is that he will not return because it would take away from the power and message of spider-man 2, will seem silly to the audience, and he would not get the public as excited as a new villain.

like jick said... dont ruin my favorite villain in the series.

Say what you want. I have the right to my opinion. I'm sticking to it.

Do not pick apart my opinion just because you disagree. :mad:

I'm not just talking to you, I'm talking to everybody who has been calling me crazy. I have the right to voice my opinion.

And when I say I have evidence that Otto Octavius is returning, DO NOT PICK IT APART!! I have taken that s*** too many times from people!! I know he's returning, stop screwing with me!! WHY would they have dropped so many hints if he wasn't!? I give you evidence of his return, you disregard it. I give you a possible scenario for his return, and have it called 'lame' by some people who are too ignorant to understand it!

You know what? I'm done trying to convince you. If you're intelligent enough to understand what I'm saying, then congradulations for being at least smart enough not to tear my opinion apart. If you're one of those people who have been picking it apart, take your opinion and shove it, don't throw it in my face!!:mad:

[web_head_33]

Say what you want. I have the right to my opinion. I'm sticking to it.

Do not pick apart my opinion just because you disagree. :mad:

I'm not just talking to you, I'm talking to everybody who has been calling me crazy. I have the right to voice my opinion.

And when I say I have evidence that Otto Octavius is returning, DO NOT PICK IT APART!! I have taken that s*** too many times from people!! I know he's returning, stop screwing with me!! WHY would they have dropped so many hints if he wasn't!? I give you evidence of his return, you disregard it. I give you a possible scenario for his return, and have it called 'lame' by some people who are too ignorant to understand it!

You know what? I'm done trying to convince you. If you're intelligent enough to understand what I'm saying, then congradulations for being at least smart enough not to tear my opinion apart. If you're one of those people who have been picking it apart, take your opinion and shove it, don't throw it in my face!!:mad:

it is ur opinion and i think ther eis a chance of his return but for me to have a stronger opinion can u show us the evidence please

[doc_octavius04]

Stan Lee, a producer of the Spider-man movies(and of course, Spidey's creator), saying he never likes to kill off the villains, that enigmatic message from Sam Raimi to Alfred Molina, saying "Ock's not dead, he just disappeared", that HUGE headline at the end of the 'Ock-umentary', you know, the one that took up the ENTIRE SCREEN saying "DOC OCK LIVES" on it? Why would they have put that up if he was truly dead?

it is ur opinion and i think ther eis a chance of his return but for me to have a stronger opinion can u show us the evidence please

I already explained it once, only 20 posts ago!! As I said then, my evidence is admittedly circumstantial, but you can't just disregard it!:(

[Jick08]

Say what you want. I have the right to my opinion. I'm sticking to it.

Do not pick apart my opinion just because you disagree. :mad:

I'm not just talking to you, I'm talking to everybody who has been calling me crazy. I have the right to voice my opinion.

You know what? I'm done trying to convince you. If you're intelligent enough to understand what I'm saying, then congradulations for being at least smart enough not to tear my opinion apart. If you're one of those people who have been picking it apart, take your opinion and shove it, don't throw it in my face!!:mad:Jesus Christ, man. he is not disrespecting your opinion. he've made it clear that he thinks Ock is probably alive...but the chances of returning are nill. pointless. it's not like he's trashing your opinion or saying that you're totally wrong. it's you who are disrespecting him now.

And when I say I have evidence that Otto Octavius is returning, DO NOT PICK IT APART!! I have taken that s*** too many times from people!! I know he's returning, stop screwing with me!! WHY would they have dropped so many hints if he wasn't!? I give you evidence of his return, you disregard it. I give you a possible scenario for his return, and have it called 'lame' by some people who are too ignorant to understand it!
evidence? what evidence? Lee saying that he doesn't like to kill the villains? what this have to do with anything? he isn't in charge of this franchise.
or Sam saying "Ock's not dead, he just disappeared"? with a comic writen Doc Ock lives? evidence about what?
besides Ock's return being pointless, you have to understand that nothing is decided. I can say that tomorrow I'll drink an orange juice, but I end up not drinking it. understand? Sam nor Lee are in charge of it anymore. nothing what they said is counting. Vanderbilt is the only one who'll decide what characters he's going to use. not Raimi, not Lee, not anyone else.
and Raimi wanted to end this movie franchise at number 3, so this rules out Ock even more.

[mattsteeler27]

look topher is not fearking right
:thanks: :ohthedrama:

[xFredSlacks77x]

Say what you want. I have the right to my opinion. I'm sticking to it.

Do not pick apart my opinion just because you disagree. :mad:

I'm not just talking to you, I'm talking to everybody who has been calling me crazy. I have the right to voice my opinion.

And when I say I have evidence that Otto Octavius is returning, DO NOT PICK IT APART!! I have taken that s*** too many times from people!! I know he's returning, stop screwing with me!! WHY would they have dropped so many hints if he wasn't!? I give you evidence of his return, you disregard it. I give you a possible scenario for his return, and have it called 'lame' by some people who are too ignorant to understand it!

You know what? I'm done trying to convince you. If you're intelligent enough to understand what I'm saying, then congradulations for being at least smart enough not to tear my opinion apart. If you're one of those people who have been picking it apart, take your opinion and shove it, don't throw it in my face!!:mad:

hey man, sorry if i made you angry, but i was actually trying to defend you. i dont think doc oc will be in like spider-man 4 or 5, but i did say that i thought he was alive and that he did not drown like at the end of spider-man 2. there is no way for anyone to know and we all can have our opinions... sorry if i didnt make it clear that i was kind of on your side in a way.

[Arcainite]

those are comic book hero's with not a great amount of good villains. they can't kill them because who else could they use. batman has such a great variety of villains that killing them off shouldn't be a problem but they chose not too.

I happen to think that Daredevil, the Fantastic Four, and Superman all have a pretty nice rogues gallery besides the ones from the movies.

[Caveboy0]

I happen to think that Daredevil, the Fantastic Four, and Superman all have a pretty nice rogues gallery besides the ones from the movies.

well i know that but if you ask someone who knows enough about comic villains for these characters they'll say kingpin, dr. doom, and lex luther. they have more villains but not as popular as their main ones.
i don't know much about other daredevil and fantastic four villains, but i do know superman's.

[doc_octavius04]

Jesus Christ, man. he is not disrespecting your opinion. he've made it clear that he thinks Ock is probably alive...but the chances of returning are nill. pointless. it's not like he's trashing your opinion or saying that you're totally wrong. it's you who are disrespecting him now.


evidence? what evidence? Lee saying that he doesn't like to kill the villains? what this have to do with anything? he isn't in charge of this franchise.
or Sam saying "Ock's not dead, he just disappeared"? with a comic writen Doc Ock lives? evidence about what?
besides Ock's return being pointless, you have to understand that nothing is decided. I can say that tomorrow I'll drink an orange juice, but I end up not drinking it. understand? Sam nor Lee are in charge of it anymore. nothing what they said is counting. Vanderbilt is the only one who'll decide what characters he's going to use. not Raimi, not Lee, not anyone else.
and Raimi wanted to end this movie franchise at number 3, so this rules out Ock even more.

As I said. If you're going to pick apart my opinion, keep it to yourself. I don't want to hear it!!:mad:

hey man, sorry if i made you angry, but i was actually trying to defend you. i dont think doc oc will be in like spider-man 4 or 5, but i did say that i thought he was alive and that he did not drown like at the end of spider-man 2. there is no way for anyone to know and we all can have our opinions... sorry if i didnt make it clear that i was kind of on your side in a way.

I wasn't just saying that to you, as I mentioned. I'm just tired of taking c*** from people because of it. I was saying it to everyone.

I wasn't actually mad at you, just the situation.:o

[Jick08]

As I said. If you're going to pick apart my opinion, keep it to yourself. I don't want to hear it!!:mad:

that's what we call...denying.

[Caveboy0]

that's what we call...denying.

:shake: im not going to explain why hopefully it'll explain it self.

[Jick08]

:shake: im not going to explain why hopefully it'll explain it self.
I'm not sure I get your post.

[webhead9707]

backontopic

[Caveboy0]

I'm not sure I get your post.

well doc_octavious04 got mad when people say she's in denial with doctor octopus' death and well now she's a little more mad with some of the other comments and when you made that comment i thought she would go crazy.

by the way am i right when saying she? doc_octavious04 is a girl right?

[Jick08]

absolutely:angel:

[webhead9707]

:confused:

[Killer Symbiote]

Rachel in TDK. No contest.

[webhead9707]

yep

[web_head_33]

Rachel in TDK. No contest.

yeah that was surprising but for people who read that article when they were interviewing him he kinda gave it away

[Softballbratme]

Rachel from TDK was proab the most shocking! u should have heard the reactions in my theater!

OHH!! WHAT?!?! WTF?!?! -- along thoes lines aahhah

i also have to say Bruce Willis character in Sin City-- i haven't seen the movie in forever but he comes so close to dying then he dies? i can't remember.. if im right then taht was a shock as well

if im not right...woopps!

[Rodger-Dodger]

Rachel in TDK. No contest.

in my theatre, it didn't seem like anyone was shocked. I heard basically no reactions, but IDK why..

[Cilogy]

Uncle Ben in Spider-Man.

That was shocking. :(

[webhead9707]

I kni hn that happened i was shocked i didn't know what had happenned i thought the directer as insane!!!:p

[Rodger-Dodger]

Uncle Ben in Spider-Man.

That was shocking. :(

Yeah... I didn't see that coming...
:rolleyes:

Just Kidding.

[tim_mcoy15]

in my theatre, it didn't seem like anyone was shocked. I heard basically no reactions, but IDK why..

my theater went nuts!
one woman said "why kill that young lady?" another guy said "thats not right! killing some sexy girl." one guy said "F**k u Chris Nolan! I bet your single and always will be! You azz!" i yelled "HOLY CR@P!" lol

[web_head_33]

my theater went nuts!
one woman said "why kill that young lady?" another guy said "thats not right! killing some sexy girl." one guy said "F**k u Chris Nolan! I bet your single and always will be! You azz!" i yelled "HOLY CR@P!" lol

people were shocked at the midnight showing bt not anywhere else for me

[Rodger-Dodger]

my theater went nuts!
one woman said "why kill that young lady?" another guy said "thats not right! killing some sexy girl." one guy said "F**k u Chris Nolan! I bet your single and always will be! You azz!" i yelled "HOLY CR@P!" lol

lol, was that movie theatre right next to the zoo?

[Caveboy0]

my theater went nuts!
one woman said "why kill that young lady?" another guy said "thats not right! killing some sexy girl." one guy said "F**k u Chris Nolan! I bet your single and always will be! You azz!" i yelled "HOLY CR@P!" lol

i didn't know she was so liked by the audience i was shocked but it wasn't like i didn't want her to die. what's with those people they've never seen characters die in a movie before?

[web_head_33]

i didn't know she was so liked by the audience i was shocked but it wasn't like i didn't want her to die. what's with those people they've never seen characters die in a movie before?

yeah i agree come on so she died it was shocking butseriously its like u never seen some one die on screen before

[Rodger-Dodger]

mamma mia! Lol, I read she dies on wikipedia before the movie came out (by accident)

[joshthesmart]

uncle ben:spidey_not_kidding:

[lopli]

in my theatre, it didn't seem like anyone was shocked. I heard basically no reactions, but IDK why..
no one made a sound in my theater.They must have not liked it.I did,IDK why everyone else wouldn't.The only noise was when Joker did the pencil trick and joker asa nurse,that got a quick titter or two.

[Jick08]

my theater went nuts!
one woman said "why kill that young lady?" another guy said "thats not right! killing some sexy girl." one guy said "F**k u Chris Nolan! I bet your single and always will be! You azz!" i yelled "HOLY CR@P!" lol
that's because they're used to fairy tales.
they think all stories must have a happy ending.

[Rodger-Dodger]

When we saw the pencil "magic trick", the whole theatre was like "OHHHHH!" and the same for when the Joker shot the cop as a nurse. When he came up to Harvey Dent in the hospital saying "Hiiiiii", everyone was laughing.

[webhead9707]

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[Rodger-Dodger]

*Harvey shows heads side of coin.

"You live..."-Harvey
"Mm-hmm"-Joker

*SHows "tails"

"You die!"-Harvey
"Now we're talking!"

[lopli]

*Harvey shows heads side of coin.

"You live..."-Harvey
"Mm-hmm"-Joker

*SHows "tails"

"You die!"-Harvey
"Now we're talking!"
muahahaha!