Why Is Lizard Considered The Front Runner To Be The Villain For SM4?

[Caveboy0]

I ask this because you guys seem so sure, but where is the proof that Lizard is the most likely? Yeah everybody has talked about Lizard... except Raimi. Has Raimi ever expressed interest to use Lizard? He mentioned that he would like to use Vulture.
You may say, "Well thats Raimi he's likes to keep us guessing" That may be true, but I'm just raising the point that maybe Lizard isn't the front runner. Maybe we should be expecting villains like Vulture.

[Jick08]

We're expecting Lizard because he've been long developed. Connors was mentioned in the first film and had his role on the second and third.

[Caveboy0]

We're expecting Lizard because he've been long developed. Connors was mentioned in the first film and had his role on the second and third.

Well I didn't say Lizard was an illogical villain. I mean he's very logical choice makes complete sense. I just bringing up the point that Raimi has never talked about him ever. He's talked about Vulture. We know for sure he would like to see Vulture in a movie. It just kind of seems strange that we all think Lizard is a shoe in when Vulture has a better chance.

[Jick08]

I don't think he does, and I think he mentioned Lizard, already.
If the rumors are correct, Lizard was going to be in the second movie, too.

[Caveboy0]

I don't think he does, and I think he mentioned Lizard, already.
If the rumors are correct, Lizard was going to be in the second movie, too.

But Raimi wanted Vulture in SM3. Who says he won't be in SM4.

[Reno-Man]

I remember reading somewhere that if Raimi came back for 4 that he would transform lizard and the actor who portrays connors has expressed interest in it as well. And like Jick says we all kind of expect it as given due to the amount of developement in the movies.

We could all be Wrong tho and it;ll be the Spot.

[Caveboy0]

I remember reading somewhere that if Raimi came back for 4 that he would transform lizard and the actor who portrays connors has expressed interest in it as well. And like Jick says we all kind of expect it as given due to the amount of developement in the movies.

We could all be Wrong tho and it;ll be the Spot.

I'm just putting it out there so you we don't get like blown out of our chairs if Lizard isn't the villain. I mean we could be way wrong here.

can you stop with the Spot its not funny anymore. Your starting to make me think that you think Raimi would actually do that.

[Reno-Man]

It matters not to me who they pick i'm prolly still gonna watch it...

Unless they actually do pick .....The Spot


Highlight for fun..

[web_head_33]

We're expecting Lizard because he've been long developed. Connors was mentioned in the first film and had his role on the second and third.

yeah

[shadow_spidey]

Spider-Man 2: The Lizard was suppose to be a secondary villain in it. But they didn't go through with him.

Spider-Man 3: So since Dr. Connors didn't turn into the lizard in Spider-Man 2 -- they were thinking of doing it in Spider-Man 3. But once again; he didn't. And that's because they brought in Sandman and Vulture. And they already planned Harry turning into the Goblin. Then both Vulture and the Lizard were cut and Venom was adding. And because they added Venom they had to make Sandman the killing of Uncle Ben. If Venom wasn't in it, it would've been Vulture talking Flint Marko into breaking out of prison.

So, the top two choices are the Lizard and Vulture for Spider-Man 4. And three if you add Grant Curtis' person favoritre villain (I think) Kraven the Hunter. Also, Sam has talked about the Sinister Six -- which makes us believe Mysterio and Electro may be choices, plus others to make the 6. Since Doc Ock is "supposely" dead. I think they could find a way to bring him back. But he's sort of like Spider-Man 2's Harvey Dent/Two-Face. Meaning he had an important purpose. So, bring either of them back would screw some things up of closure.

And then there's Morbius that has been mention several times by Sam and others, I think. Plus, there's the whole thing about quite a few people believe Venom IS alive.

So, here are my lists:

Extremely Suspected Villain Choices:

The Lizard
Vulture
Kraven the Hunter


Sort of Suspected Villain Choices:

Mysterio
Electro
Scorpion (I don't see how. Since Spider-Man is loved now. And with that why would J. Jonah Jameson hate Spider-Man that much now? I mean, he probably does a bit at least.)
Hobgoblin (There was that silver goblin mask. ;))
Shocker

Least Suspected Villain Choices:

Venom
Carnage
Morbius
Green Goblin
Chameleon
Rhino
The Spot

[Araita_Man]

I ask this because you guys seem so sure, but where is the proof that Lizard is the most likely? Yeah everybody has talked about Lizard... except Raimi. Has Raimi ever expressed interest to use Lizard? He mentioned that he would like to use Vulture.
You may say, "Well thats Raimi he's likes to keep us guessing" That may be true, but I'm just raising the point that maybe Lizard isn't the front runner. Maybe we should be expecting villains like Vulture.

I thought he had expressed interest.

And come on, ever since Dr. Connors got mentioned in Spider-Man 1, I, personally, have been looking forward to seeing him in a movie.

Raimi likes to keep Spider-Man's villains tied with his Peter Parker side, so my guess is that he will be a villain in the future.

But Raimi wanted Vulture in SM3. Who says he won't be in SM4.

And who says he won't have both the Lizard and Vulture? Most of us have this idea in our heads that if Lizard is the villain, Kraven has to be in it as well. Well maybe Kraven won't be in it, but Vulture will instead.

Actually, I think that's really good. That way we'd have new awesome aerial and ground (possibly underground as well) battles.

:ohthedrama:

[web_head_33]

Spider-Man 2: The Lizard was suppose to be a secondary villain in it. But they didn't go through with him.

Spider-Man 3: So since Dr. Connors didn't turn into the lizard in Spider-Man 2 -- they were thinking of doing it in Spider-Man 3. But once again; he didn't. And that's because they brought in Sandman and Vulture. And they already planned Harry turning into the Goblin. Then both Vulture and the Lizard were cut and Venom was adding. And because they added Venom they had to make Sandman the killing of Uncle Ben. If Venom wasn't in it, it would've been Vulture talking Flint Marko into breaking out of prison.

So, the top two choices are the Lizard and Vulture for Spider-Man 4. And three if you add Grant Curtis' person favoritre villain (I think) Kraven the Hunter. Also, Sam has talked about the Sinister Six -- which makes us believe Mysterio and Electro may be choices, plus others to make the 6. Since Doc Ock is "supposely" dead. I think they could find a way to bring him back. But he's sort of like Spider-Man 2's Harvey Dent/Two-Face. Meaning he had an important purpose. So, bring either of them back would screw some things up of closure.

And then there's Morbius that has been mention several times by Sam and others, I think. Plus, there's the whole thing about quite a few people believe Venom IS alive.

So, here are my lists:

Extremely Suspected Villain Choices:

The Lizard
Vulture
Kraven the Hunter


Sort of Suspected Villain Choices:

Mysterio
Electro
Scorpion (I don't see how. Since Spider-Man is loved now. And with that why would J. Jonah Jameson hate Spider-Man that much now? I mean, he probably does a bit at least.)
Hobgoblin (There was that silver goblin mask. ;))
Shocker

Least Suspected Villain Choices:

Venom
Carnage
Morbius
Green Goblin
Chameleon
Rhino
The Spot

i agree with that

[Reno-Man]

Spider-Man 2: The Lizard was suppose to be a secondary villain in it. But they didn't go through with him.

Spider-Man 3: So since Dr. Connors didn't turn into the lizard in Spider-Man 2 -- they were thinking of doing it in Spider-Man 3. But once again; he didn't. And that's because they brought in Sandman and Vulture. And they already planned Harry turning into the Goblin. Then both Vulture and the Lizard were cut and Venom was adding. And because they added Venom they had to make Sandman the killing of Uncle Ben. If Venom wasn't in it, it would've been Vulture talking Flint Marko into breaking out of prison.

So, the top two choices are the Lizard and Vulture for Spider-Man 4. And three if you add Grant Curtis' person favoritre villain (I think) Kraven the Hunter. Also, Sam has talked about the Sinister Six -- which makes us believe Mysterio and Electro may be choices, plus others to make the 6. Since Doc Ock is "supposely" dead. I think they could find a way to bring him back. But he's sort of like Spider-Man 2's Harvey Dent/Two-Face. Meaning he had an important purpose. So, bring either of them back would screw some things up of closure.

And then there's Morbius that has been mention several times by Sam and others, I think. Plus, there's the whole thing about quite a few people believe Venom IS alive.

So, here are my lists:

Extremely Suspected Villain Choices:

The Lizard
Vulture
Kraven the Hunter


Sort of Suspected Villain Choices:

Mysterio
Electro
Scorpion (I don't see how. Since Spider-Man is loved now. And with that why would J. Jonah Jameson hate Spider-Man that much now? I mean, he probably does a bit at least.)
Hobgoblin (There was that silver goblin mask. ;))
Shocker

Least Suspected Villain Choices:

Venom
Carnage
Morbius
Green Goblin
Chameleon
Rhino
The Spot

I agree as well but we know until they tell us.

[shadow_spidey]

i agree with that

I agree as well but we know until they tell us.

Cool, thanks! :) And I'm the same as Reno. I'm just waiting patiently. And as me for me as well -- I'll accept anything that comes out way with any characters they announce.

[Spider-Tim 075]

I think everyone just thinks it's an obvious choice. But Sam Riami did talk about the Lizard and said he'd like to do the story of the Lizard but said nothing about it being in the 4th movie. And Dillan Barker said he'd love to play the character but nothing is actually linked to Spider-Man 4

[Jick08]

I'm just putting it out there so you we don't get like blown out of our chairs if Lizard isn't the villain.I won't.
I think we might be surprised. I want Lizard, but he is not even in my top 5. If I get Rhino, Shocker, Scorpion or even an Ultimate Bettle, I'll be glad.

As long as it isn't Morbius or Man-Wolf, I'll be able to sleep at night.

[Reno-Man]

I won't.
I think we might be surprised. I want Lizard, but he is not even in my top 5. If I get Rhino, Shocker, Scorpion or even an Ultimate Bettle, I'll be glad.

As long as it isn't Morbius or Man-Wolf or The Spot, I'll be able to sleep at night.

Sorry Cave i just had to throw that in there.

Dont hurt me?:p

[Lizardboy]

Spider-Man 2: The Lizard was suppose to be a secondary villain in it. But they didn't go through with him.

Spider-Man 3: So since Dr. Connors didn't turn into the lizard in Spider-Man 2 -- they were thinking of doing it in Spider-Man 3. But once again; he didn't. And that's because they brought in Sandman and Vulture. And they already planned Harry turning into the Goblin. Then both Vulture and the Lizard were cut and Venom was adding. And because they added Venom they had to make Sandman the killing of Uncle Ben. If Venom wasn't in it, it would've been Vulture talking Flint Marko into breaking out of prison.

So, the top two choices are the Lizard and Vulture for Spider-Man 4. And three if you add Grant Curtis' person favoritre villain (I think) Kraven the Hunter. Also, Sam has talked about the Sinister Six -- which makes us believe Mysterio and Electro may be choices, plus others to make the 6. Since Doc Ock is "supposely" dead. I think they could find a way to bring him back. But he's sort of like Spider-Man 2's Harvey Dent/Two-Face. Meaning he had an important purpose. So, bring either of them back would screw some things up of closure.

And then there's Morbius that has been mention several times by Sam and others, I think. Plus, there's the whole thing about quite a few people believe Venom IS alive.

So, here are my lists:

Extremely Suspected Villain Choices:

The Lizard
Vulture
Kraven the Hunter


Sort of Suspected Villain Choices:

Mysterio
Electro
Scorpion (I don't see how. Since Spider-Man is loved now. And with that why would J. Jonah Jameson hate Spider-Man that much now? I mean, he probably does a bit at least.)
Hobgoblin (There was that silver goblin mask. ;))
Shocker

Least Suspected Villain Choices:

Venom
Carnage
Morbius
Green Goblin
Chameleon
Rhino
The Spot

:spidey_yeah_that:

[BackinBlack07]

We've been getting teased with Lizard for the last two films. It's his time!
Also, I think Kraven will be the 2nd villain so we can have the hunter/prey story. I don't think Lizard can hold a film by himself.

As much as I want Carnage, I finally realize his best place would be in the Venom spin-off.

[Reno-Man]

its really Simple actually cuz I just remembered

The reason is such an obvious choice is because...


Stan Lee said He wanted to see Lizard next.

And What Stan wants Stan gets

[Lizardboy]

We've been getting teased with Lizard for the last two films. It's his time!
Also, I think Kraven will be the 2nd villain so we can have the hunter/prey story. I don't think Lizard can hold a film by himself.

As much as I want Carnage, I finally realize his best place would be in the Venom spin-off.

I can see Lizard carrying a movie by himself.

yup.

its really Simple actually cuz I just remembered

The reason is such an obvious choice is because...


Stan Lee said He wanted to see Lizard next.

And What Stan wants Stan gets

nuff said.:spidey_thumbs:

[lopli]

Lizard could carry a movie by himself, but if there had to be 2 villains then they could use Kraven. If not Lizard, then I want either Electro and Vulture or a movie about Scorpion

[mrrobparker]

the viallains i ythink they WILL have are

-The Lizard
-Morbius

They'll be a great team in the movie and i just cant wait!!!

[Lizardboy]

Lizard could carry a movie by himself, but if there had to be 2 villains then they could use Kraven. If not Lizard, then I want either Electro and Vulture or a movie about Scorpion

:spidey_yeah_that:

[web_head_33]

lizard can hold a movie but it would be better if he we had another villain in there like kraven which is my top choice to go with the lizard

[Caveboy0]

its no doubt in my mind that Lizard cannot hold his own movie. Villains need some kind of plot, plan, or mission. Lizard doesn't have a non corny option.

The only options are the SM3 game plot which would be corny or the reptilian revolution which is super corny. Like SciFi tv movie corny.

[Reno-Man]

The Spot could carry a movie by himself, but if there had to be 2 villains then they could use The Spot. If not The Spot, then I want either The Spot or The Spot or a movie about Scorpion

I agree


:innocent:

[Lizardboy]

its no doubt in my mind that Lizard cannot hold his own movie. Villains need some kind of plot, plan, or mission. Lizard doesn't have a non corny option.

The only options are the SM3 game plot which would be corny or the reptilian revolution which is super corny. Like SciFi tv movie corny.

Does everything in a Spidey film have to be realistic? I mean, I think a guy getting bitten by a radioactive spider and having powers afterwards is kinda corny to a normal person but we find it kinda cool anyway, same with Brock having an alien symbiote from space and Sandman being made out of Sand after an experiment gone wrong, corny but we love it anyway. Same can be said with Lizard(not saying that I think he's corny too because he's not)and besides, comic book movies are SciFi so it does'nt matter if his plot of ruling the world with reptiles is in there or not.

[Caveboy0]

Does everything in a Spidey film have to be realistic? I mean, I think a guy getting bitten by a radioactive spider and having powers afterwards is kinda corny to a normal person but we find it kinda cool anyway, same with Brock having an alien symbiote from space and Sandman being made out of Sand after an experiment gone wrong, corny but we love it anyway. Same can be said with Lizard(not saying that I think he's corny too because he's not)and besides, comic book movies are SciFi so it does'nt matter if his plot of ruling the world with reptiles is in there or not.

it does to me. its a stupid plot. i'm talking cheap tv movie on SciFi channel which all suck. its melodramatic, i could not possibly take that seriously. lizard can only be good as a plot devise.

[shadow_spidey]

A plot devise for whom? The only character I can think of is Kraven. If you think they're just going to *use* the Lizard to bring in Kraven.

Okay! Maybe, instead of Connors wanting to help people, and then as the Lizard, he takes it to the extremes of wanting to turn everyone into a half-breed. Maybe they'll go down the Dr. Jackal and Mr. Hyde route on him? If he's in the script. This way he can terrorize NYC citizens or something? J.J get Peter to invastigate (they can have it that Peter knows it's Dr. Connors or not) and then the Bugle puts the headline about the Lizard. Kraven then hears and/or reads about this. He gets on a plane and is coming to the big apple. After he gets there, they can either have it that he meets Spider-Man by Spidey protecting the Lizard; or they could have it that Kraven hears about this man who has Spider-like abilities!

As for Vulture (since he is in the top of the list to me and some others) I don't know how they could incorporate him into a movie. I don't have any creative idea. Since originally he was suppose to talk Marko into breaking out of prison (since Spider-Man put Adrian or both him and Flint in prison). Electro would be interesting. But I don't know how they could incorporate him either.

You see, with Harry being killed and all, it sort of screws up some possible villains from Oscorp or something. I mean, maybe they could have Roderick Kingsley take over Oscorp? That would be a intelligent move on the writer(s) and Sam's part. This could set up Hobgoblin and other villains.

Roderick Kingsley CEO or whatever of Oscorp = these villains:

Hobgoblin
The Rhino
Vulture
Electro
Scorpion

Some villains could just come in on there own without a backstory:

Shocker
Mysterio
Vulture (I suppose)
Chameleon
Tombstone
Hammerhead

Those are my thoughts on villains' introductions and their potential(s) on theirs and others' storylines.

[Webber3000]

I agree


:innocent:

And I thought you liked Scorpion. :rolleyes:

[Reno-Man]

And I thought you liked Scorpion. :rolleyes:

Who says I didn't?

If you read what I quoted you would have noticed I didnt the scorpion mention at the end just the other villians....... With The Spot

The Spot can divide by zero.

[Caveboy0]

lizard can't think to much then he'd become corny. He can say a few words here and there, but not too much. he could kidnap various people. But in the end Lizard would work best as a plot devise for Kraven.

It gives a reason for him to come in. It provides Peter with a choice. To either go along with Kraven's easy way out and stop Lizard by any means necessary or go the hard way of finding a cure.

It shouldn't be too hard of a choice, but Peter would feel the pressure. First he would reason with the people that Lizard means no harm. Then Lizard shocks the city and actually kills someone or just starts kidnapping them. The city gets angry and wants Lizard dead.

They hire Kraven and Spider-Man has to work with him. Spider-Man would eventually find a cure, but Kraven would have tracked down and captured Lizard by then.

Spider-Man would think this to be a prime time to cure Lizard, but Kraven pulls a 180 and now shows his real agenda which is finishing his hunt by killing Lizard.

Spider-Man releases Lizard and then a big 3 way battle ending with Lizard killing Kraven.

would Raimi have all this murder probably not which would be a shame because it would add so much drama.

[shadow_spidey]

Even though that sounds all good and such, your thoughts on what they should do sounds a lot like something J.K. Rowling did in the Harry Potter series. And while reading your thoughts on how it would or should go about -- I just wouldn't really enjoy a movie like that for Spider-Man. It's too close to other things. Why would Peter even think about letting Kraven kill the Lizard for one split second? When he would most likely know it's Dr. Connors? However, it could work if Peter didn't know Dr. Connors was the Lizard.

But overall, it's a bit difficult to know what they're doing. And it's exciting not really knowing what they're up to! :D

[Caveboy0]

Even though that sounds all good and such, your thoughts on what they should do sounds a lot like something J.K. Rowling did in the Harry Potter series. And while reading your thoughts on how it would or should go about -- I just wouldn't really enjoy a movie like that for Spider-Man. It's too close to other things. Why would Peter even think about letting Kraven kill the Lizard for one split second? When he would most likely know it's Dr. Connors? However, it could work if Peter didn't know Dr. Connors was the Lizard.

But overall, it's a bit difficult to know what they're doing. And it's exciting not really knowing what they're up to! :D

its nothing like Harry Potter i have no idea where your getting that from and if Lizard kills a person and Peter has not found a cure yet would he not think about stopping Lizard on Kraven's terms.

he wouldn't be thinking kill lizard but maybe stopping lizard by any means necessary that doesn't mean he will kill him.

[lopli]

Yeah, how's it like Harry Potter? :p Good ideas though, and Caveboy, I really like the whole idea of him doing anything to stop him. Him going on a rampage to fight the Lizard, I'd love to see that.

[Lizardboy]

lizard can't think to much then he'd become corny. He can say a few words here and there, but not too much. he could kidnap various people. But in the end Lizard would work best as a plot devise for Kraven.

It gives a reason for him to come in. It provides Peter with a choice. To either go along with Kraven's easy way out and stop Lizard by any means necessary or go the hard way of finding a cure.

It shouldn't be too hard of a choice, but Peter would feel the pressure. First he would reason with the people that Lizard means no harm. Then Lizard shocks the city and actually kills someone or just starts kidnapping them. The city gets angry and wants Lizard dead.

They hire Kraven and Spider-Man has to work with him. Spider-Man would eventually find a cure, but Kraven would have tracked down and captured Lizard by then.

Spider-Man would think this to be a prime time to cure Lizard, but Kraven pulls a 180 and now shows his real agenda which is finishing his hunt by killing Lizard.

Spider-Man releases Lizard and then a big 3 way battle ending with Lizard killing Kraven.

would Raimi have all this murder probably not which would be a shame because it would add so much drama.

Yes, you're right on that part, Lizard thinking a lot would be kinda weird on screen but he should show that he still has some form of intelligence in him while still acting animalistic in that form.

You're idea sounds pretty good though by the way.

[Caveboy0]

thanks, i mean Lizard can't be completely mindless like you said. I mean he would be a bit boring then.

[Lizardboy]

yeah, and we don't want people who don't know stuff about spidey to be bored.

[spider man 13]

i tnk they should consider the sinister 6:yay:

[Reno-Man]

Anyone else notice all these random people joining in May 09 with only 1 post posting outlandish ideas?

The Spot is going to send Lizard Boy and Aliensuit back in time and to Kill all these random posters before they decided to pop up with their ideas that makes no sense.

[Ock/Joker fan]

Anyone else notice all these random people joining in May 09 with only 1 post posting outlandish ideas?

Yes.

[Lizardboy]

yup.

[Spazzarro]

Bekuz Stan Lee wantz him and Stan getz what he wantz, plain and simple

[Reno-Man]

Bekuz Stan Lee wantz him and Stan getz what he wantz, plain and simple

You took what I said earliar rewrote in fancy lettering and reposted it....

This is madness!!!

Madness??? This is SPOT-A!!!!

[Lizardboy]

yup.

[Caveboy0]

You took what I said earliar rewrote in fancy lettering and reposted it....

This is madness!!!

Madness??? This is SPOT-A!!!!

:LOL: :LOL: that picture of The Spot in your sig is hilarious.

[Spazzarro]

You took what I said earliar rewrote in fancy lettering and reposted it....

This is madness!!!

Madness??? This is SPOT-A!!!!

:LOL: didnt notice srry

[Reno-Man]

The Spot came up with that one guys...

but can you imagine a fight like that in a movie? They could re-hire the one armed boxing guy again and digitally add in the fist...

The Spot would like to be played by The Spot or Jason Statham whoever they hire first..

[aliensuit1495]

Anyone else notice all these random people joining in May 09 with only 1 post posting outlandish ideas?

The Spot is going to send Lizard Boy and Aliensuit back in time and to Kill all these random posters before they decided to pop up with their ideas that makes no sense.

Aliensuit accepts his mission

[Lizardboy]

Sssame here.:D

[Sir Shapiro]

Spider-Man 2: The Lizard was suppose to be a secondary villain in it. But they didn't go through with him.

Spider-Man 3: So since Dr. Connors didn't turn into the lizard in Spider-Man 2 -- they were thinking of doing it in Spider-Man 3. But once again; he didn't. And that's because they brought in Sandman and Vulture. And they already planned Harry turning into the Goblin. Then both Vulture and the Lizard were cut and Venom was adding. And because they added Venom they had to make Sandman the killing of Uncle Ben. If Venom wasn't in it, it would've been Vulture talking Flint Marko into breaking out of prison.

So, the top two choices are the Lizard and Vulture for Spider-Man 4. And three if you add Grant Curtis' person favoritre villain (I think) Kraven the Hunter. Also, Sam has talked about the Sinister Six -- which makes us believe Mysterio and Electro may be choices, plus others to make the 6. Since Doc Ock is "supposely" dead. I think they could find a way to bring him back. But he's sort of like Spider-Man 2's Harvey Dent/Two-Face. Meaning he had an important purpose. So, bring either of them back would screw some things up of closure.

And then there's Morbius that has been mention several times by Sam and others, I think. Plus, there's the whole thing about quite a few people believe Venom IS alive.

So, here are my lists:

Extremely Suspected Villain Choices:

The Lizard
Vulture
Kraven the Hunter


Sort of Suspected Villain Choices:

Mysterio
Electro
Scorpion (I don't see how. Since Spider-Man is loved now. And with that why would J. Jonah Jameson hate Spider-Man that much now? I mean, he probably does a bit at least.)
Hobgoblin (There was that silver goblin mask. ;))
Shocker

Least Suspected Villain Choices:

Venom
Carnage
Morbius
Green Goblin
Chameleon
Rhino
The Spot

I sure hope you're right Shadow! I'm rooting for Vulture. :cool:

[web_head_33]

lizard can't think to much then he'd become corny. He can say a few words here and there, but not too much. he could kidnap various people. But in the end Lizard would work best as a plot devise for Kraven.

It gives a reason for him to come in. It provides Peter with a choice. To either go along with Kraven's easy way out and stop Lizard by any means necessary or go the hard way of finding a cure.

It shouldn't be too hard of a choice, but Peter would feel the pressure. First he would reason with the people that Lizard means no harm. Then Lizard shocks the city and actually kills someone or just starts kidnapping them. The city gets angry and wants Lizard dead.

They hire Kraven and Spider-Man has to work with him. Spider-Man would eventually find a cure, but Kraven would have tracked down and captured Lizard by then.

Spider-Man would think this to be a prime time to cure Lizard, but Kraven pulls a 180 and now shows his real agenda which is finishing his hunt by killing Lizard.

Spider-Man releases Lizard and then a big 3 way battle ending with Lizard killing Kraven.

would Raimi have all this murder probably not which would be a shame because it would add so much drama.

i actually think its a good idea but i would want kraven to get the lizard on his terms which means not being hired my the city and doing it for himself

[Caveboy0]

i actually think its a good idea but i would want kraven to get the lizard on his terms which means not being hired my the city and doing it for himself

maybe he offers his help

[mrrobparker]

i wouldn't want Kraven in ths movie... cus the story will be repiting.... like in the Spider-Man 3 game.... so NO...

I will really llike Morbius.. And The Lizard

[Caveboy0]

i wouldn't want Kraven in ths movie... cus the story will be repiting.... like in the Spider-Man 3 game.... so NO...

I will really llike Morbius.. And The Lizard

no morbius and who cares if he was in the game so was lizard

[BackinBlack07]

i wouldn't want Kraven in ths movie... cus the story will be repiting.... like in the Spider-Man 3 game.... so NO...

I will really llike Morbius.. And The Lizard

The games have no effect of what goes on in the movies.

[mrrobparker]

eah i know.... mm.... Kraven its not a bad option neither but... i will like another story for him and Lizard not the dame one like in the game....

[Caveboy0]

eah i know.... mm.... Kraven its not a bad option neither but... i will like another story for him and Lizard not the dame one like in the game....

it can be very different. i mean for one there wouldn't be Calypso

[Reno-Man]

As Liason to Spot Industries. Mr The spot would like to perform a song for all of you,, please enjoy.

You know you make me wanna SPOT! Throw my ink blots and SPOT!
Throw my ink blots and SPOT! Teleport now! Teleport now! Now waaaaaaaaait a minute. Your punches go through me! Your punches go through me! Into your face, Yea Yea. Becauseeeeeeee, You know make me wanna SPOT! Throw my ink blots and SPOT! Whooooooooooo!

The Spot needs a glass of Water.

Im pretty shure whatever villian they pick will be amazing or fantastic or spectacular or stupid. ;) :p

[Arcainite]

it can be very different. i mean for one there wouldn't be Calypso
We can't be so sure of that.
No, I have no evidence. But it would be a different role for a black actress, which is something Hollywood might like and audiences don't get to see much of. The main obstacle is that Disney's Pirate sequels already used a similar character.
Kraven here. I have come back to the world via Spot's spots. I think it's very lucky that the Spot is not worthy prey for one such as me. Otherwise, there would already be a spotted head upon my wall.

[Caveboy0]

We can't be so sure of that.
No, I have no evidence. But it would be a different role for a black actress, which is something Hollywood might like and audiences don't get to see much of. The main obstacle is that Disney's Pirate sequels already used a similar character.
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Kraven here. I have come back to the world via Spot's spots. I think it's very lucky that the Spot is not worthy prey for one such as me. Otherwise, there would already be a spotted head upon my wall.

well the exact character just different story line. Supernatural Spider-Man characters weren't in Raimi's time. Or at least i don't think so. I wouldn't think he'd do that.
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ha nice.

[Reno-Man]

We can't be so sure of that.
No, I have no evidence. But it would be a different role for a black actress, which is something Hollywood might like and audiences don't get to see much of. The main obstacle is that Disney's Pirate sequels already used a similar character.
Kraven here. I have come back to the world via Spot's spots. I think it's very lucky that the Spot is not worthy prey for one such as me. Otherwise, there would already be a spotted head upon my wall.

Typecasting happens all the time Arcy....

The Spot sees your bluff and raises you two rhinos and a doc ock. The Spot knows what you did last december.

[Arcainite]

Typecasting happens all the time Arcy....

The Spot sees your bluff and raises you two rhinos and a doc ock. The Spot knows what you did last december.
Well, we all know which Calypso came first. The one from Marvel! But the one in the Pirates movies was a goddess type character. The one in Marvel is not that, but one of the Earth-616's best voodoo practitioners. Supposedly Brother Voodoo is their version of the sorceror supreme (supreme hougan?), but I have to say, Calypso is probably at his level just not as lucky (sort of like the Mordo/Strange rivalry. If Strange didn't have the Eye of Agamotto, could he still defeat Mordo?).
Tread carefully, Spot. I remember when Venom nearly did you in and now I know your weakness. Your hold on this world is tentative at best. You are fading out. And that will make it easy for one such as I to "Drag You To Hell!" But you amuse me as my half-brother once did when we were children. You may continue your antics, but do not test my power over death. You will find that I have become more powerful than ever.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/31499/764338-kraven_00.jpg

[Caveboy0]

why is it 616 Universe? i always wondered that.

[Reno-Man]

Well if they put Calypso in then i feel it would be too crowded cuz I have feeling if they introduce Lizard his family will need screen time

Your images of one eyes ressurections do not intimidate The Spot because The Spot is spot on about these kinda things..

[Arcainite]

why is it 616 Universe? i always wondered that.
Kraven doesn't have the ability to pierce the 4th wall and does not know the answer to this one. He will defer to Arcainite on this one.
I believe it was first categorized as such in the pages of the comic/team Excalibur when they were trapped going from one alternate-Earth to another. I'm just going off the top of my head, but I believe it was the 616th world they tried before they realized they were in their proper place. I believe it was then submitted to the other thinktanks like Reed Richards and they agreed that it was as good a designation as any other.
Now, whether or not we can know on which world to bestow as "first" and how to begin a search of possibly unlimited alternate worlds, I can't say.
And whether or not 616 might have been some Marvel writer's wife's birthday or a postal address or something... which I believe it probably was one of those things...I do not recall, though it was probably explained in the letters page of some Excalibur comic or another.
Excelsior, Caveboy0!

[Caveboy0]

Kraven doesn't have the ability to pierce the 4th wall and does not know the answer to this one. He will defer to Arcainite on this one.
I believe it was first categorized as such in the pages of the comic/team Excalibur when they were trapped going from one alternate-Earth to another. I'm just going off the top of my head, but I believe it was the 616th world they tried before they realized they were in their proper place. I believe it was then submitted to the other thinktanks like Reed Richards and they agreed that it was as good a designation as any other.
Now, whether or not we can know on which world to bestow as "first" and how to begin a search of possibly unlimited alternate worlds, I can't say.
And whether or not 616 might have been some Marvel writer's wife's birthday or a postal address or something... which I believe it probably was one of those things...I do not recall, though it was probably explained in the letters page of some Excalibur comic or another.
Excelsior, Caveboy0!


answers my question.

[Reno-Man]

I personally think calypso doesnt isnt needed depending on what they do with the story.

The Spot spins me right round like a ROFLCOPTER Right round, round. Yea The Spot went there.

[web_head_33]

I personally think calypso doesnt isnt needed depending on what they do with the story.

The Spot spins me right round like a ROFLCOPTER Right round, round. Yea The Spot went there.

yeah they could do it without her

[Spider Rider]

I personally think calypso doesnt isnt needed depending on what they do with the story.

The Spot spins me right round like a ROFLCOPTER Right round, round. Yea The Spot went there.

I agree, I don't think she is necessary if you go with Kraven

[kawkaw]

*THE LIZARD has to be the front runner, he's the next and only big villain from the comics and cartoons left. Not to mention, he's been talked about since the first film. Not using him could happen, sure, but it just conclude that the 'creative team' are out of touch of what should be. Like putting Venom in SM3. The last we need is another villain, who doesn't belong, taking screen-time away from other key characters.

*The only villain that would work really well with THE LIZARD is KRAVEN. Of course, without Kraven having any connection to Peter Parker or Curt Connors is any conceivable way. KRAVEN would enhance the animal nature and the danger of THE LIZARD, and put Spider-Man's skills of fighting and protecting to the test. Kraven also adds a worldly villain, not seen in previous films. And you don't need a whole bunch of useless CGI with KRAVEN--just grit and superhuman strength and agility (wire-works).

*Or they could just keep THE LIZARD a solo villain. Yes, THE LIZARD could indeed hold his own movie, if written with complexity and maturity within the realm of Sci-Fi, think Ridley Scott's ALIEN.

*However, my gut feeling is telling me, that they're going to screw the pooch, by adding a second character like BLACK CAT. Not because she's a good character, which she's NOT, she's a horrible ripoff of Batman's Catwoman. But simply because they want to appeal to a broader female audience during the licensing process. That's right, lots of GIRLY TOYS. In other words, instead of trying to find new ways to make things better, they're going to be looking at new ways to make more money, which usually makes things worst.

[Caveboy0]

You obviously didn't read why i asked the question in the first place. Everybody has been talking about Lizard like he's so for sure, but he's not really. Raimi has mentioned him what? once, 5+ years ago? I just think he might go with Vulture since he wanted to use him before.

Also in the movies Dr. Conners is a physicist. He doesn't have the knowledge to become Lizard. Thats why i think the second villain could be Electro. Electro would be an old student or assistant of Conners and has become a biochemist or something. He would help him make the serum.

yeah Black Cat is a Catwomen ripoff, but she's still a good character imo. She shows Spider-Man what it would be like to be a care free superhero. have all the powers and no responsibility.

[BackinBlack07]

You obviously didn't read why i asked the question in the first place. Everybody has been talking about Lizard like he's so for sure, but he's not really. Raimi has mentioned him what? once, 5+ years ago? I just think he might go with Vulture since he wanted to use him before.

Also in the movies Dr. Conners is a physicist. He doesn't have the knowledge to become Lizard. Thats why i think the second villain could be Electro. Electro would be an old student or assistant of Conners and has become a biochemist or something. He would help him make the serum.

yeah Black Cat is a Catwomen ripoff, but she's still a good character imo. She shows Spider-Man what it would be like to be a care free superhero. have all the powers and no responsibility.

Easy retcon.

[Lizardboy]

You obviously didn't read why i asked the question in the first place. Everybody has been talking about Lizard like he's so for sure, but he's not really. Raimi has mentioned him what? once, 5+ years ago? I just think he might go with Vulture since he wanted to use him before.

Also in the movies Dr. Conners is a physicist. He doesn't have the knowledge to become Lizard. Thats why i think the second villain could be Electro. Electro would be an old student or assistant of Conners and has become a biochemist or something. He would help him make the serum.

yeah Black Cat is a Catwomen ripoff, but she's still a good character imo. She shows Spider-Man what it would be like to be a care free superhero. have all the powers and no responsibility.

Never say never and besides, he had a lot of serums and a few lizard skeletons in his lab is spider-man 3 when peter was on the phone with him.

[Caveboy0]

you guys seemed to have stopped reading after that. i said that Dr. Conners could find an old friend with the knowledge to make it for him.

[Reno-Man]

Well I sat and thought about it for a while. Here's what I came too...

A) Yes Lizard has been mentioned in all 3 movies and it would seem like a logical choice to morph him in 4.

B) However Dr. Connors hasn't really displayed any hints at wanting to grow his arm back like in the cartoons and comics. He mostly is just there as a Teacher and advisor in the movies.

C) Unless they develope a backstory for him to go off of in 4 to suddenly change his interests. I honestly think what they should do is build this subplot up and set him up for 5. They could do the same with gargan and bam you have Scorps and Lizzie for 5.

D) In the mean time have two villians who wouldnt require such an extensive build up like Electro (Freak accident mutations are easy to do) and Vulture I guess because I saw the concept art of him for 3 and that looks interesting.

E) Finally this should be the start of a new trilogy. This would give the other villians and characters with lil to no character depth time to develope

This is just strictly my opinion because I actually sat down and thought about it for a while. Discuss..

The Spot is like a fly on the wall he knows what you did last summer.

[Reno-Man]

bumping cuz lizardboy got in the way...

[Lizardboy]

Don't I always?:rolleyes: :p

[kawkaw]

You obviously didn't read why i asked the question in the first place. Everybody has been talking about Lizard like he's so for sure, but he's not really. Raimi has mentioned him what? once, 5+ years ago? I just think he might go with Vulture since he wanted to use him before.

Also in the movies Dr. Conners is a physicist. He doesn't have the knowledge to become Lizard. Thats why i think the second villain could be Electro. Electro would be an old student or assistant of Conners and has become a biochemist or something. He would help him make the serum.

yeah Black Cat is a Catwomen ripoff, but she's still a good character imo. She shows Spider-Man what it would be like to be a care free superhero. have all the powers and no responsibility.
Yeah, we get why you asked the question, and it's obvious no one can be sure (not even Raimi)--being that Marvel/Sony can inject any villain into the script, regardless to whether Raimi approves of it or not.

The two villains shouldn't even know each other, no team ups or villains helping each other in any way, it's cr@p writing, watch SM3? I wouldn't mind Connors working with other biochemists (or perhaps make his wife a biochemist) to create The Lizard formula, with deciding to test the formular on himself. Sadly, this is what happens when you have film makers, who don't know the characters well enough, to know what Connors' main focus of study is. Now they'll have to make up more elements that's not in the comics--which usually turns out horrid.

Glad you admitted that Black Cat is a Catwoman ripoff. Which means they will basically be helping to promote Christopher Nolan's new BATMAN 3 movie for free, which will most likely come out the same year or the following. When you mention Catwoman people automatically think Batman. She's worst than putting Venom in SM3--because she'll be taking screentime away from THE LIZARD and Connors' family. That is if Marvel/Sony/Raimi even remembers that Connors' have a wife and son.

[Arcainite]

Yeah, we get why you asked the question, and it's obvious no one can be sure (not even Raimi)--being that Marvel/Sony can inject any villain into the script, regardless to whether Raimi approves of it or not.

The two villains shouldn't even know each other, no team ups or villains helping each other in any way, it's cr@p writing, watch SM3? I wouldn't mind Connors working with other biochemists (or perhaps make his wife a biochemist) to create The Lizard formula, with deciding to test the formular on himself. Sadly, this is what happens when you have film makers, who don't know the characters well enough, to know what Connors' main focus of study is. Now they'll have to make up more elements that's not in the comics--which usually turns out horrid.

Glad you admitted that Black Cat is a Catwoman ripoff. Which means they will basically be helping to promote Christopher Nolan's new BATMAN 3 movie for free, which will most likely come out the same year or the following. When you mention Catwoman people automatically think Batman. She's worst than putting Venom in SM3--because she'll be taking screentime away from THE LIZARD and Connors' family. That is if Marvel/Sony/Raimi even remembers that Connors' have a wife and son.
Based on their track record thusfar, adding different family to the supervillains of the movies than from the comics, I feel it safe to say that they probably won't TAKE AWAY such a pivotal element of the Lizard's character. The fact that he won't kill his own family and seeks to transform them instead. I think it's too important to leave Martha and Billy out of movie Curt's life.

[Caveboy0]

Yeah, we get why you asked the question, and it's obvious no one can be sure (not even Raimi)--being that Marvel/Sony can inject any villain into the script, regardless to whether Raimi approves of it or not.

The two villains shouldn't even know each other, no team ups or villains helping each other in any way, it's cr@p writing, watch SM3? I wouldn't mind Connors working with other biochemists (or perhaps make his wife a biochemist) to create The Lizard formula, with deciding to test the formular on himself. Sadly, this is what happens when you have film makers, who don't know the characters well enough, to know what Connors' main focus of study is. Now they'll have to make up more elements that's not in the comics--which usually turns out horrid.

Glad you admitted that Black Cat is a Catwoman ripoff. Which means they will basically be helping to promote Christopher Nolan's new BATMAN 3 movie for free, which will most likely come out the same year or the following. When you mention Catwoman people automatically think Batman. She's worst than putting Venom in SM3--because she'll be taking screentime away from THE LIZARD and Connors' family. That is if Marvel/Sony/Raimi even remembers that Connors' have a wife and son.

Good point we have no idea the current villain choices will be the final choices. Anybody could change them.

Aw come on! They have to be connected! other wise it would be an impossible coincidence look at Spider-Man 3. New Goblin did not create Venom or Sandman. Nor did Venom create Sandman and New Goblin. Non of them are connected to each other.

So are you saying the movie should have ended with 3 separate final battles? To keep them separate of course.

My idea with Lizard and Electro is that Electro blames Conners for what happened to him. He feels that him making the formula for Conners distracted him from his other project (Some bioelectrical study) which obviously went wrong.

My point is that to have multiply villain they need to be connected in their origins. It takes away coincidences. SM3 had way too many coincidences to really be pulled in to the movie.

Its too much of a coincidence to have 3 villains pop up around the same time and none of their origins have any connection to the other 2 villains.

The comics are not the Bible they can add or subtract anything they want to it as long as it works out.

[kawkaw]

Good point we have no idea the current villain choices will be the final choices. Anybody could change them.

Aw come on! They have to be connected! other wise it would be an impossible coincidence look at Spider-Man 3. New Goblin did not create Venom or Sandman. Nor did Venom create Sandman and New Goblin. Non of them are connected to each other.But they did team up, and that's a big problem, I would fear the same kind of weak story telling if they connected the villains. It works best if none of the villains know each other. Peter/Spidey and Connors/Lizard should be the only connection/coincidence in the film--which is more than enough.

So are you saying the movie should have ended with 3 separate final battles? To keep them separate of course.There is such thing as killing off or stopping one villain from coming back (like Kraven blowing his own brains out--Kraven's Last Hunt) before doing battle with the (next) main villain THE LIZARD. There are other ways of telling a story, unfortunately, Raimi only knows ONE.

My idea with Lizard and Electro is that Electro blames Conners for what happened to him. He feels that him making the formula for Conners distracted him from his other project (Some bioelectrical study) which obviously went wrong.And this would be the "ONE" way that I'm sure Raimi will take, because it's 3rd grade writing, the easy and predictable way out.

My point is that to have multiply villain they need to be connected in their origins. It takes away coincidences. SM3 had way too many coincidences to really be pulled in to the movie.No, SM3 had way too many coincidences because it was written poorly. Watch the 90s animated series. Main villain (Venom) secondary and third villains (Rhino/Shocker) no origins. For once, allow the audience not be spoon fed every step of the way.

Its too much of a coincidence to have 3 villains pop up around the same time and none of their origins have any connection to the other 2 villains.Why, there are no rules to how one may handle multiple villains, you can also write in a way, so that you never see three villains at the same time? Believe it or not, you can have two seperate origins, with both being written well and in an intriguing way.

The comics are not the Bible they can add or subtract anything they want to it as long as it works out.True, and I for one don't mind changes, as long as they're changes for the better, not worst.

[Caveboy0]

he don't insult my writing. coincidences = bad writing in my opinion. they are plot wholes and unrealistic. there needs to be some type of connection origin wise. its not bad writing. it takes good writing to make the connection make sense. its easy writing to have villains pop up randomly.

and yeah team ups are weak writing. i was thinking if it was electro and lizard that electro would go after conners who to his surprise is a giant lizard. they obviously would fight.

both electro and lizard and kraven and lizard would result in the villains fighting against each other which would be a fresh idea for the movies.

[kawkaw]

I agree, too many coincidences is bad writing. However, I think connecting villains' origins is the biggest coincidence you can create in comics and on film. I'd rather see seperate origins, especially from two villains with whom backgrounds are very different from one another. Be it The Lizard/Kraven or The Lizard/Electro.

However, I do think Raimi will take the easy way out and mesh them.

[Reno-Man]

Well I sat and thought about it for a while. Here's what I came too...

A) Yes Lizard has been mentioned in all 3 movies and it would seem like a logical choice to morph him in 4.

B) However Dr. Connors hasn't really displayed any hints at wanting to grow his arm back like in the cartoons and comics. He mostly is just there as a Teacher and advisor in the movies.

C) Unless they develope a backstory for him to go off of in 4 to suddenly change his interests. I honestly think what they should do is build this subplot up and set him up for 5. They could do the same with gargan and bam you have Scorps and Lizzie for 5.

D) In the mean time have two villians who wouldnt require such an extensive build up like Electro (Freak accident mutations are easy to do) and Vulture I guess because I saw the concept art of him for 3 and that looks interesting.

E) Finally this should be the start of a new trilogy. This would give the other villians and characters with lil to no character depth time to develope

This is just strictly my opinion because I actually sat down and thought about it for a while. Discuss..

The Spot is like a fly on the wall he knows what you did last summer.

Bumping for Opinions..

[Caveboy0]

I agree, too many coincidences is bad writing. However, I think connecting villains' origins is the biggest coincidence you can create in comics and on film. I'd rather see seperate origins, especially from two villains with whom backgrounds are very different from one another. Be it The Lizard/Kraven or The Lizard/Electro.

However, I do think Raimi will take the easy way out and mesh them.

you have no idea what your talking about. two villains origins being connected is not a coincidence.

take this for example. Dr. Conners becomes Lizard and starts going threw town.

which is a bigger coincidence? Kraven just so happened to be in New York and just decided to hunt down Lizard or that Kraven got word of this giant Lizard and decided to got to New York to hunt him?

here's another one. which is a bigger coincidence? two scientest that are completely unrelated have an experiment that goes wrong that results in them becoming super villains or they work together on one experiment and it goes wrong and they both become super villains?

[kawkaw]

you have no idea what your talking about. two villains origins being connected is not a coincidence.

take this for example. Dr. Conners becomes Lizard and starts going threw town.

which is a bigger coincidence? Kraven just so happened to be in New York and just decided to hunt down Lizard or that Kraven got word of this giant Lizard and decided to got to New York to hunt him?

here's another one. which is a bigger coincidence? two scientest that are completely unrelated have an experiment that goes wrong that results in them becoming super villains or they work together on one experiment and it goes wrong and they both become super villains?

Of course it is, two villains becoming super-powered beings at the same time with different powers, it's horrible writing, which I'm sure Raimi will use, unfortunately, because it's the easy and juvenile way out.

Kraven is a hunter, it is his job to seek out his next BIG challenge wherever it may be (hint his move from his birth place Russia to Africa). His eyes for the kill won't be solely on The Lizard (he's a bonus), but on Spider-Man, turning his lust for killing regular animals into something illegal and forbidden, hunting and killing of (no ordinary) man. Spider-Man trying to help Connors and protect everyone from him and not be killed himself by The Lizard, while having an enhanced hunter hunting him down for blood sport at the same time, is hard to pull off in a Spider-Man film. This would also includes Kraven burying Spider-Man alive and committing suicide at the end of the movie. The final battle will be with "Spider-Man vs. The Lizard" after Kraven has killed himself.

To see something this complex would be a breath of fresh air, instead of the usually..."oh no, my experiment has gone wrong again...this time for two villains".

[rjh94]

i wouldn't mind if kraven came to new york to hunt the lizard. it's cool with me.

it's the overall tone i'm worried about. i want a more mature spiderman. i'm tired of watching peter cry over mj.

[kawkaw]

You should be worried, because the tone will be childish with juvenile antics once again, I'm sure of it, unfortunately. Sony/Marvel's only mindset is selling Spidey merchandise to kids.

Spider-Man desperately needs a much more complex and mature direction. That I doubt Raimi can deliver the fourth time around. Spider-Man's entire production needs to finally grow up.

[SpiderRock88]

You should be worried, because the tone will be childish with juvenile antics once again, I'm sure of it, unfortunately. Sony/Marvel's only mindset is selling Spidey merchandise to kids.

Spider-Man desperately needs a much more complex and mature direction. That I doubt Raimi can deliver the fourth time around. Spider-Man's entire production needs to finally grow up.

i understand, admire and respect your opinion(s), but instead of ranting to us and bashing the people that bring you the movie why dont you get your *** up and go send them a script or something dude! and tell them, what joy do you have telling us? seriously.

[Caveboy0]

you didn't even read my original idea. Dr. Conners would have some biochemist, who is working on some organic electrical energy source, to produce a serum to regrow lost limbs.

Well the friend had a tight schedule, but saw Conners' desire for it to be done so he took the job. he worked on both as best he could. he finished the serum, but advised Conners to do proper testing with it he could always make another one later.

Sadly the guy also took time away from his other project and didn't do proper testing on it because he needed to get it done. it goes wrong and he becomes Electro.

Conners not thinking straight doesn't test it and takes it and eventually becomes Lizard.
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that is not a coincidence you have no idea what a coincidence is.

here is the definition:

Coincidence is the noteworthy alignment of two or more events or circumstances without obvious causal connection.

see that if two events are not connected by reasonable means then its a coincidence.

[kawkaw]

i understand, admire and respect your opinion(s), but instead of ranting to us and bashing the people that bring you the movie why dont you get your *** up and go send them a script or something dude! and tell them, what joy do you have telling us? seriously.We're in a Spider-Man movie forum, talking about Spider-Man, and I'm voicing my opinion like everyone else, I thought that was what one would do in such a forum?

[web_head_33]

We're in a Spider-Man movie forum, talking about Spider-Man, and I'm voicing my opinion like everyone else, I thought that was what one would do in such a forum?

true but you don't need to keep bashing all the time. i mean we got you the first couple of times you said it so you don't like raimi and you don't like were its projected to. you don't need to keep repeating your self i think you should try looking more positive

[Caveboy0]

true but you don't need to keep bashing all the time. i mean we got you the first couple of times you said it so you don't like raimi and you don't like were its projected to. you don't need to keep repeating your self i think you should try looking more positive

he doesn't hate raimi he just thinks he does cr@ppy job at directing the SM films.

[kawkaw]

you didn't even read my original idea. Dr. Conners would have some biochemist, who is working on some organic electrical energy source, to produce a serum to regrow lost limbs.

Well the friend had a tight schedule, but saw Conners' desire for it to be done so he took the job. he worked on both as best he could. he finished the serum, but advised Conners to do proper testing with it he could always make another one later.

Sadly the guy also took time away from his other project and didn't do proper testing on it because he needed to get it done. it goes wrong and he becomes Electro.

Conners not thinking straight doesn't test it and takes it and eventually becomes Lizard.
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that is not a coincidence you have no idea what a coincidence is.

here is the definition:

Coincidence is the noteworthy alignment of two or more events or circumstances without obvious causal connection.

see that if two events are not connected by reasonable means then its a coincidence.
I've read it, I see your point. There's just something about Electro (or Max Dillon) knowing Curt Connors, and working on The Lizard formula, that I don't like, especially if he himself is going to also become a super-villain. Personally, I would rather Connors' wife be the biochemist. And keep Max origin seperate. Then again, I prefer The Lizard/Kraven combo more.

But don't worry, no matter who the villains are Sam Raimi is going mesh the two villains somehow and most likely both villains to Peter Parker, unfortunately.

I would like to see one villain who doesn't know or is connected to Peter or the another villain...and NOT turn good.

[SpiderRock88]

We're in a Spider-Man movie forum, talking about Spider-Man, and I'm voicing my opinion like everyone else, I thought that was what one would do in such a forum?

true, but you bash the creators like if they ran over your dog and just drove off. But i respect that it is your opinion but bashing the creators and filmmakers is kinda overboard, go direct it Spidey 4 then if its destined to be garbage then and make it better

[kawkaw]

true, but you bash the creators like if they ran over your dog and just drove off. But i respect that it is your opinion but bashing the creators and filmmakers is kinda overboard, go direct it Spidey 4 then if its destined to be garbage then and make it better
But they did run over my dog (his name is Spidey) and his bones are busted.

Oh, come on, no one asked Batman fans to go direct a Batman film after those withered versions of the Bat films. They just wanted a better director than Tim Burton/Joel Schumacker. And look at the results when they finally got one.

[BackinBlack07]

But they did run over my dog (his name is Spidey) and his bones are busted.

Oh, come on, no one asked Batman fans to go direct a Batman film after those withered versions of the Bat films. They just wanted a better director than Tim Burton/Joel Schumacker. And look at the results when they finally got one.

Are you really comparing Raimi to Schumacher? Him and Burton's films are criticized alot, but when Raimi screws up once after 2 great films, you're calling for a beheading? The difference is after Batman Forever, they went straight to work on Batman and Robin and look what happened. With Raimi, he's got 4 years between sequels and he has learned from his mistakes in Spider-Man 3, so just have some faith.

And really, enough with the bashing. It is annoying. We get it, you don't like Raimi. You don't have to say it in every single post.:shake:

[web_head_33]

Are you really comparing Raimi to Schumacher? Him and Burton's films are criticized alot, but when Raimi screws up once after 2 great films, you're calling for a beheading? The difference is after Batman Forever, they went straight to work on Batman and Robin and look what happened. With Raimi, he's got 4 years between sequels and he has learned from his mistakes in Spider-Man 3, so just have some faith.

And really, enough with the bashing. It is annoying. We get it, you don't like Raimi. You don't have to say it in every single post.:shake:

i agree with u

[BackinBlack07]

i agree with u

On which part? The directors or kawkaw? Either way, :thanks:

[Reno-Man]

SM4 needs more...................... Cowbell. More cowbell will result in multitudes of character developement, action and great villains so bring on more COWBELL - The Spot..

[rjh94]

i want a great spidey 4 too, but.....you know they're going to remake/reeboot the franchise in a couple of years.

spidey 4 needs to be more mature (no saturday night fever dancing).
SM1 and SM2 were fair (wanted gwen in), but SM3 sucked!

[web_head_33]

On which part? The directors or kawkaw? Either way, :thanks:

i meant how you can't compare the two directors to each other and also stop with the bashing

[mrrobparker]

i want a great spidey 4 too, but.....you know they're going to remake/reeboot the franchise in a couple of years.

spidey 4 needs to be more mature (no saturday night fever dancing).
SM1 and SM2 were fair (wanted gwen in), but SM3 sucked!

OMG... i dont think they will make a Reboot or remake... its too soon man.....

[Big critic000]

I ask this because you guys seem so sure, but where is the proof that Lizard is the most likely? Yeah everybody has talked about Lizard... except Raimi. Has Raimi ever expressed interest to use Lizard? He mentioned that he would like to use Vulture.
You may say, "Well thats Raimi he's likes to keep us guessing" That may be true, but I'm just raising the point that maybe Lizard isn't the front runner. Maybe we should be expecting villains like Vulture.Well you are right about that. But there is one thing, why would Raimi bring in vulture,if there concerned about box office percentages then they won't use vulture because he won't give spiderman4 hardly any money but with Lizard which as you can see people like he would bring enough action into Spiderman series. To be honest I'm not an big fan of the lizard, and i don't remember seeing anyone say anything about Doctor Conner in Spider-man 1,2, or 3. So truly there is no proof, not just yet.

[Caveboy0]

I've read it, I see your point. There's just something about Electro (or Max Dillon) knowing Curt Connors, and working on The Lizard formula, that I don't like, especially if he himself is going to also become a super-villain. Personally, I would rather Connors' wife be the biochemist. And keep Max origin seperate. Then again, I prefer The Lizard/Kraven combo more.

But don't worry, no matter who the villains are Sam Raimi is going mesh the two villains somehow and most likely both villains to Peter Parker, unfortunately.

I would like to see one villain who doesn't know or is connected to Peter or the another villain...and NOT turn good.

i never thought about that. it would probably work better because it includes his family which are very important to his story.

[rjh94]

I've read it, I see your point. There's just something about Electro (or Max Dillon) knowing Curt Connors, and working on The Lizard formula, that I don't like, especially if he himself is going to also become a super-villain. Personally, I would rather Connors' wife be the biochemist. And keep Max origin seperate. Then again, I prefer The Lizard/Kraven combo more.

But don't worry, no matter who the villains are Sam Raimi is going mesh the two villains somehow and most likely both villains to Peter Parker, unfortunately.

I would like to see one villain who doesn't know or is connected to Peter or the another villain...and NOT turn good.

can't argue there. spiderman films are mostly lather-rinse-repeat material.

[SpiderRock88]

But they did run over my dog (his name is Spidey) and his bones are busted.

Oh, come on, no one asked Batman fans to go direct a Batman film after those withered versions of the Bat films. They just wanted a better director than Tim Burton/Joel Schumacker. And look at the results when they finally got one.

lol, Spidey will be fine, well if im wrong the new Batman films are reboots so there is a difference. this current Spidey film is not done yet so i guess theres still hope for the perfect Spidey film in the future. It's theyre vision of Batman (Burton/Schumacker) and people did not like it, Nolan knows what not to do with Batman, THus he brought us 'Begins', and 'The Dark Knight', so Raimi, knows what not to do so better Spidey movie? you bet, for all we know Nolan's thrid batman film MIGHT suck (probably not) but you never know. The majority of the people liked it, and the other percentage did not, the people that expected the greatest movie were let down because they expected TOO much. So now they bash Spidey 3/Raimi all day because of what Spidey 3 was, that was 2 years ago, it came it ruled and its now on most of our dvd shelfs (and for those that say they dont got it? who are you trying to fool? you know you have it, to at least complete the collection) The focus is now on Spidey 4, did Raimi screw up Spidey 3? so say yes others are unsure and the rest say no. So the Spidey 3 talk should really stop, so should Dark Knight's yes TDK set the bar even higher, and that will result in Spidey 4 being Much betteR

[kawkaw]

Well, you seem to be optimistic...we'll see what happens...and I hope you're right.

[SpiderRock88]

yeah i am very optimistic, when a director flat out says and admits he didnt not like, and promisies that the next installment will be better, why not be optimistic? lol but yeah man he knows he has to make a kick *** movie and he probably will

[aliensuit1495]

Well, you seem to be optimistic...we'll see what happens...and I hope you're right.

Well, that's a change in attitude for you. For the better

Optimistic is the best way to be. I agree with Rocky. We should look forward to SM4 and stop looking back

[Caveboy0]

don't worry he'll find something to dislike in SM4.

[SpiderRock88]

Well, that's a change in attitude for you. For the better

Optimistic is the best way to be. I agree with Rocky. We should look forward to SM4 and stop looking back

thanks man!

don't worry he'll find something to dislike in SM4.

lol there is not a single movie with no flaws, yes not even The Dark Knight or Spider-Man 2 are flawless lol so its bound to happen that we will all dislike anything from Spidey 4 it may be minor or huge there will always be something, although i will admit i love all 3 Spidey films!! :D

[tgibfo]

Forgive me if I'm repeating or re-stating anything... I read through two or three pages of posts instead of six....

Raimi was recently quoted as saying that "Dark Knight" really raised the bar on superhero movies and he's accepting the challenge with SPIDER-MAN 4. Good news.

Now, I have a touch of insider information on this (not much) but from that and logical assumption, it's gonna be Lizard and Kraven. It makes sense. First, Venom was included solely because Arad told Raimi he had to include him. (Anybody notice how the first half of SM3 was good and then started to suck when the symbiote attacked?) Next, no studio is gonna ignore critics AND fans who all believe SP3 had too many villains. This says only two in the next one, in my opinion.

Next, Grant Curtis was quoted as saying that the villain would have special meaning for New Yorkers. I wasn't sure about that until I read a thought somebody posted which sounds perfect: there has long been a myth that there are alligators in the sewers of New York City. This doesn't exactly point to Vulture, know what I mean? (And the whole symbiote thing left in Conner's lab could help with the Lizard transition.... NO FREAKING CARNAGE!!)

And if you've got a creature like a violent alligator running loose, you'd need a big game hunter to track him down, right? But what if JJJameson decided to pay this big game hunter to grab Spider-Man while he was at it?

So now Spidey has to capture but protect the Lizard (while the Lizard tries to kill him), and escape from and shield the Lizard from Kraven. And we haven't even touched on what the hell is going on with Mary Jane. Oh please let her be captured by Kraven and taken to a desert island..........

And we're running low on villains that would work on screen. Now, I don't think Goblin 1 worked well on screen, but an old bald guy in a vulture costume sounds ridiculous to me. Best next choice: Mysterio played by the Man Known as Ash.

[Caveboy0]

Forgive me if I'm repeating or re-stating anything... I read through two or three pages of posts instead of six....

Raimi was recently quoted as saying that "Dark Knight" really raised the bar on superhero movies and he's accepting the challenge with SPIDER-MAN 4. Good news.

Now, I have a touch of insider information on this (not much) but from that and logical assumption, it's gonna be Lizard and Kraven. It makes sense. First, Venom was included solely because Arad told Raimi he had to include him. (Anybody notice how the first half of SM3 was good and then started to suck when the symbiote attacked?) Next, no studio is gonna ignore critics AND fans who all believe SP3 had too many villains. This says only two in the next one, in my opinion.

Next, Grant Curtis was quoted as saying that the villain would have special meaning for New Yorkers. I wasn't sure about that until I read a thought somebody posted which sounds perfect: there has long been a myth that there are alligators in the sewers of New York City. This doesn't exactly point to Vulture, know what I mean? (And the whole symbiote thing left in Conner's lab could help with the Lizard transition.... NO FREAKING CARNAGE!!)

And if you've got a creature like a violent alligator running loose, you'd need a big game hunter to track him down, right? But what if JJJameson decided to pay this big game hunter to grab Spider-Man while he was at it?

So now Spidey has to capture but protect the Lizard (while the Lizard tries to kill him), and escape from and shield the Lizard from Kraven. And we haven't even touched on what the hell is going on with Mary Jane. Oh please let her be captured by Kraven and taken to a desert island..........

And we're running low on villains that would work on screen. Now, I don't think Goblin 1 worked well on screen, but an old bald guy in a vulture costume sounds ridiculous to me. Best next choice: Mysterio played by the Man Known as Ash.

pretty much how it would work out, but JJJ does not hate spider-man enough in the movies to do that its out of his character.

i think Kraven will offer his services to the city free of charge. And JJJ will hype up this Lizard hunt by making it a contest between Kraven and Spider-Man.

[Reno-Man]

Forgive me if I'm repeating or re-stating anything... I read through two or three pages of posts instead of six....

Raimi was recently quoted as saying that "Dark Knight" really raised the bar on superhero movies and he's accepting the challenge with SPIDER-MAN 4. Good news.

Now, I have a touch of insider information on this (not much) but from that and logical assumption, it's gonna be Lizard and Kraven. It makes sense. First, Venom was included solely because Arad told Raimi he had to include him. (Anybody notice how the first half of SM3 was good and then started to suck when the symbiote attacked?) Next, no studio is gonna ignore critics AND fans who all believe SP3 had too many villains. This says only two in the next one, in my opinion.

Next, Grant Curtis was quoted as saying that the villain would have special meaning for New Yorkers. I wasn't sure about that until I read a thought somebody posted which sounds perfect: there has long been a myth that there are alligators in the sewers of New York City. This doesn't exactly point to Vulture, know what I mean? (And the whole symbiote thing left in Conner's lab could help with the Lizard transition.... NO FREAKING CARNAGE!!)

And if you've got a creature like a violent alligator running loose, you'd need a big game hunter to track him down, right? But what if JJJameson decided to pay this big game hunter to grab Spider-Man while he was at it?

So now Spidey has to capture but protect the Lizard (while the Lizard tries to kill him), and escape from and shield the Lizard from Kraven. And we haven't even touched on what the hell is going on with Mary Jane. Oh please let her be captured by Kraven and taken to a desert island..........

And we're running low on villains that would work on screen. Now, I don't think Goblin 1 worked well on screen, but an old bald guy in a vulture costume sounds ridiculous to me. Best next choice: Mysterio played by the Man Known as Ash.

Sorry to burst your bubble dude but it has already been widely established on these boards as to who the Villain(s) are. Its not Lizzy or Kraven.


It's human ink blot, The Spot.

[Arcainite]

Sorry to burst your bubble dude but it has already been widely established on these boards as to who the Villain(s) are. Its not Lizzy or Kraven.


It's human ink blot, The Spot.

He may not realize that you're kidding...

[kawkaw]

Raimi was recently quoted as saying that "Dark Knight" really raised the bar on superhero movies and he's accepting the challenge with SPIDER-MAN 4. Good news.Find me the link to this quote...and can anyone else confirm this?

[rjh94]

i'm looking forward to lizard (and hopefully kraven) :yay:

but the SM3 sandman-uncle ben connection was so awful, i hope they don't even mention it in SM4.

i doubt carnage or black cat is in. the symbiote story is over and spidey doesn't need a sidekick (especially a catwoman copy-cat).:shake:

[web_head_33]

Find me the link to this quote...and can anyone else confirm this?

even if there is no link i'm guessing it is probably true because the dark knight did raise the bar for superhero movies and any director would definitely try to match that or beat that.

i'm looking forward to lizard (and hopefully kraven) :yay:

but the SM3 sandman-uncle ben connection was so awful, i hope they don't even mention it in SM4.

i doubt carnage or black cat is in. the symbiote story is over and spidey doesn't need a sidekick (especially a catwoman copy-cat).:shake:

i agree with everything u just said

[Lizardboy]

yup.

[Reno-Man]

lets be honest with one another they're gonna make up a villain. Newer New Goblin as Bernard.

[rjh94]

raimi said the villain will be a big part of new york, but who?!!!

what spidey villain does new york praise?

lizard- alligators in the sewer

[web_head_33]

raimi said the villain will be a big part of new york, but who?!!!

what spidey villain does new york praise?

lizard- alligators in the sewer

yeah theres a great candidate and he's new york related

[Jick08]

About this "villain-city" thing, I'm thinking Scorpion.

[Reno-Man]

I really wish we had some idea of something this wait is killin me..

[rjh94]

any new-yorkers here? maybe they can help us.

a villain who is a big part of new york?

[Caveboy0]

any new-yorkers here? maybe they can help us.

a villain who is a big part of new york?

big part of new york is so vague. it could be any villain, but like people said alligators in the sewers is the a well known urban legend of new york and organized crime was a big part of new york

i think it could involve crime lords.

[Jick08]

i think it could involve crime lords.
It'd be awesome to have SSM's Tombstone and Hammerhead or Black Tarantula.

[Caveboy0]

It'd be awesome to have SSM's Tombstone and Hammerhead or Black Tarantula.

not familiar with black tarantula, but SSM Tombstone was seriously badazz and would be awesome in a movie.

[web_head_33]

i'd rather have a villain like lizard kraven or scorpion rather than someone like tombstone and hammerhead. but i'm still open to that option and it could be done really well

[mrrobparker]

yeah.... but i still prefer Scorpion for a Villain and Lizard.. great match... with some good ideas... maybe does 2 cna make a grat team in the fourth one..

[web_head_33]

yeah.... but i still prefer Scorpion for a Villain and Lizard.. great match... with some good ideas... maybe does 2 cna make a grat team in the fourth one..

yeah they would also work well with each other but i still think the hunter and the hunted the way to go

[mrrobparker]

yeah they would also work well with each other but i still think the hunter and the hunted the way to go

Yeah Hunter cna be a great thread for Spidey too

[PooPeeDoo]

What if Lizard was confired to not be the villain for S-M 4?:O

[King-Kong]

lets be honest with one another they're gonna make up a villain. Newer New Goblin as Bernard.

I'd pay to see that.

[Arcainite]

What if Lizard was confired to not be the villain for S-M 4?:O
Well, if they decide to have Dr. Connors in 4 movies (well, mentioned in the 1st) without him becoming the Lizard yet, there will be a lot of surprised Spidey fans. However, if they have it finally happen in a 5th movie, and make it so you know that at the end of 4, I think people would be cool with that.

[Reno-Man]

Which is why i think they should build up his desire to become lizzie in 4 then morph him in 5. Aside from lizzy skeletons in 3 the movies havent really hinted at him wanting to grow his arm back.

[Caveboy0]

I had an idea about Kraven he was one of the villains. Character wise it would be really interesting if he started off as a classy foreign rich guy and then as the movie progresses he becomes more and more animalistic.

[rjh94]

connors has had 3 movies, it's time for the lizard.

[Caveboy0]

connors has had 3 movies, it's time for the lizard.

actually only 2, but still.

[web_head_33]

connors has had 3 movies, it's time for the lizard.

like caveboy said 2 well he was mentioned in the first movie but anyways u r right time for the lizard

[Lizardboy]

Yessss...

http://www.reason.com/UserFiles/Image/jwalker/lizard.png

[rjh94]

like caveboy said 2 well he was mentioned in the first movie but anyways u r right time for the lizard

that's what i thought. :innocent:

[beyond94]

I still believe that it's going to be Black Cat. she's knows NYC better than
anyone except The Kingpin. Could it be that this is sign that Sam Raimi is
able to bring Kingpin into the saga and released the character from 20TH
Century Fox? I could be wrong. How can we possibly outguess who Mr.Raimi
want's to use. But I'm still hoping for Black Cat for one and ether Scorpion
or Kraven The Hunter.:angel:

[Branar]

I am mostly expecting Carnage or/and Kingpin, and it cant be Lizard since he was in SM3 the game.

[bds23420]

I am mostly expecting Carnage or/and Kingpin, and it cant be Lizard since he was in SM3 the game.

just cause he was in the game doesnt mean he cant be in a movie...

[Branar]

I am mostly expecting Carnage or/and Kingpin, and it cant be Lizard since he was in SM3 the game.
I mean who will be the boss in the SM4 game?

[Reno-Man]

Shocker was in like 2 of the games 3rd I forget. Does that mean he wont be in it? No Vulture was palnned for third movie even tho he was in first game...

[BackinBlack07]

I mean who will be the boss in the SM4 game?

Lizard or Kraven, duh. The games have no effect on what happens in the movies.

[Killer Symbiote]

I wonder what Lizard will look like if they put him in SM4...
He looks awesome in the comics, but it wouldn't look that great in live action. I'm sure they'll make him look awesome if they use him, but I wonder what they'll do with him...

[Reno-Man]

here's how they'll do lizard they'll paint dylan baker green make him wear vampire fangs with a i love reptiles shirt and have wear a rejected dinosaur tail that drags around the sets all day.



It be so realistic.................. right?

[Rodger-Dodger]

I wonder what Lizard will look like if they put him in SM4...
He looks awesome in the comics, but it wouldn't look that great in live action. I'm sure they'll make him look awesome if they use him, but I wonder what they'll do with him...

they will probably use CGI for the transformation. I know they will definitely have a stunt double inside a costume, and CGI for the battle scenes. I don't think we will have Dylan Baker in any action scenes, unless he transforms to his regular self and fights (which I doubt will happen).

As for the Lizard's look, I think it will be a godzilla-looking creature, only green and waaay smaller.

[web_head_33]

just cause he was in the game doesnt mean he cant be in a movie...

i know

Lizard or Kraven, duh. The games have no effect on what happens in the movies.

true the movies come first

[Caveboy0]

I wonder what Lizard will look like if they put him in SM4...
He looks awesome in the comics, but it wouldn't look that great in live action. I'm sure they'll make him look awesome if they use him, but I wonder what they'll do with him...

:confused:

how would this not look cool in live action?

http://www.beyondhollywood.com/stillsx/2007/05/spiderman-doctor-connors-the-lizard.jpg

[Killer Symbiote]

how would this not look cool in live action?

http://www.beyondhollywood.com/stillsx/2007/05/spiderman-doctor-connors-the-lizard.jpg

I'm getting the magical red x. :p

EDIT: Never mind I got it to work.
Very cool picture. The live action version would probably lean in that direction.

[Caveboy0]

i hope they do a CGI for him. Lizard can't really be done with costume or at least too much.

[Killer Symbiote]

i hope they do a CGI for him. Lizard can't really be done with costume or at least too much.

That's for sure.
Let me rephrase what I said about Lizard earlier:
They could make him look really, really awesome, but they could very easily really make him look cheesy.

[Caveboy0]

That's for sure.
Let me rephrase what I said about Lizard earlier:
They could make him look really, really awesome, but they could very easily really make him look cheesy.

as long as they don't make him too human looking like the original lizard.

[Reno-Man]

They Should hire Stan Winston to do the Lizard Effects...




Oh wait... my bad.

[web_head_33]

i hope they do a CGI for him. Lizard can't really be done with costume or at least too much.

cgi is there best choice for sure a suit would look kinda strange i think i'm not saying a suit wouldn't work but i think it could go bad with a suit

[Lizardboy]

It'd be cool if they used some animatronics for him too like they did with the puppeteering for Doc Ock's tentacles.

[Chipper9620]

I am mostly expecting Carnage or/and Kingpin, and it cant be Lizard since he was in SM3 the game.

Hahaha! Thats sooo not how it works. Who wants to bet that the game developers reaction would be "Lizard was in SM3 the game? No, uh, I dont believe he was..."

[Lizardboy]

Hahaha! Thats sooo not how it works. Who wants to bet that the game developers reaction would be "Lizard was in SM3 the game? No, uh, I dont believe he was..."

Actually, Lizard was in the SM3 game but that still does'nt mean he can't be in SM4 and besides, not everyone plays video games.

[Chipper9620]

Actually, Lizard was in the SM3 game but that still does'nt mean he can't be in SM4 and besides, not everyone plays video games.

Exactly my point. They probably will play it off as nothing, as if the whole Lizard storyline in SM3 the game had never happened.

[Lizardboy]

Ah I see, yeah, I agree with that.

[web018]

Oh really, well lizard is a Villain for SM4?http://orkut.vidpoke.com/_img/Video-Poke_06.gif (http://www.orkut.co.in/Main#Application.aspx?appId=173764702012)

[Arcainite]

Oh really, well lizard is a Villain for SM4?http://orkut.vidpoke.com/_img/Video-Poke_06.gif (http://www.orkut.co.in/Main#Application.aspx?appId=173764702012)
Nobody's saying that for sure. He's just the heavy favorite. His alter ego Curt Connors has been in all 3 Spider-Man movies so far. Although in the first movie, it was just his name being mentioned when Peter and Harry were talking. He was in the original drafts of Spider-Man 2 and many fans think that because they've already started to establish his being a friend as well as teacher to Peter, it is time for the Lizard to strike the big screens.
Sony is likely to TRY to keep the identities of the villains (most likely 2 villains) a secret for as long as they can or until they need to start hyping things up with more than a teaser poster. If the secret lasts all the way to the official trailers, I would be surprised, but that is probably their goal.

[kawkaw]

Sony is likely to TRY to keep the identities of the villains (most likely 2 villains) a secret for as long as they can or until they need to start hyping things up with more than a teaser poster. If the secret lasts all the way to the official trailers, I would be surprised, but that is probably their goal.
You're right, they will try...and they will fail.

We have Kirsten back, and she can't keep secrets. Not to mention, someone will get their hands on one of the drafts or the actually shooting script. It happened with SM1, SM2 and SM3. Sadly, SM2 and SM3 script came from someone directly from SONY.

Thus is why, I have said this "SECRECY" stuff is juvenile and makes no sense. But being that Sony thinks their audience is a bunch of 3rd graders who love surprises, this is what we must endure.

[web_head_33]

You're right, they will try...and they will fail.

We have Kirsten back, and she can't keep secrets. Not to mention, someone will get their hands on one of the drafts or the actually shooting script. It happened with SM1, SM2 and SM3. Sadly, SM2 and SM3 script came from someone directly from SONY.

Thus is why, I have said this "SECRECY" stuff is juvenile and makes no sense. But being that Sony thinks their audience is a bunch of 3rd graders who love surprises, this is what we must endure.

u do know that leaked villains and scripts have been released on other movies before that r not sony. so everyone really has those problems. and it's not them thinking there audience is young it's just people who wrok there and are huge fans and show it to other fans

[Reno-Man]

I remember when I was hyping up sm3 that I originally only thought of sandman as the villian then I saw a clip in one of the first trailers of harry crashing into a wall in the first battle and was like omg. and we all speculated that venom might be in it. but it wasnt till the unofficial comicon trailer did we see the raw venom.... Minus CGI that scared me :ohthedrama:

[kawkaw]

u do know that leaked villains and scripts have been released on other movies before that r not sony. so everyone really has those problems. and it's not them thinking there audience is young it's just people who wrok there and are huge fans and show it to other fansI'm sure they have, but Sony has people working close to the production, who likes to risk their job just to release info about these flicks.

Personally, I don't want any part of Spider-Man 4 to be secret, this is the movie where Sony really needs the input of movie-goers from beginning to end. To avoid at all cost another Spider-Man 3. And picking the wrong villain(s) is the first step into another cr@p movie.

[web_head_33]

I'm sure they have, but Sony has people working close to the production, who likes to risk their job just to release info about these flicks.

Personally, I don't want any part of Spider-Man 4 to be secret, this is the movie where Sony really needs the input of movie-goers from beginning to end. To avoid at all cost another Spider-Man 3. And picking the wrong villain(s) is the first step into another cr@p movie.

the villains for sure we will know but for me everything else like the plot or twists or anything i want to see that and know about it really on theaters not in an article some where

[kawkaw]

Yeah, that's exactly what people said about SM3, boy, were they surprised about the messy plots and twists from within that flick.

[web_head_33]

yeah i know there is a lot that can go wrong but for me i still like to be surprised and curious and not know the plot unless it's a movie based on a book or something like that but i can completely understand why some people would like to know a little about the movie

[kawkaw]

Trust me, you won't care what you find out before it hit theaters, if the movie itself is great. Just ask the people who followed every single thing about The Dark Knight.

[web_head_33]

Trust me, you won't care what you find out before it hit theaters, if the movie itself is great. Just ask the people who followed every single thing about The Dark Knight.

u are right for tdk expect the story i really wanted to know everything i could without any spoilers so u have a point

[Mob1423]

lizard as the main villian. why? youve got a whole bunch of spiderman villlians maybe not well known and you draw out the lizard? just because thet show doc connors in every one of those movies except the first doesnt mean he becomes a villian now. pick something like the spot.

[Reno-Man]

because he just is ok? quit asking questions...

[spidermanmovies]

i could see lizard in spiderman 4 because he was in the 2 movie and the third movie so he could so now so can carnage because of dr.corrners venom symbiotie is still in there i think eddie is still alive

[Caveboy0]

i could see lizard in spiderman 4 because he was in the 2 movie and the third movie so he could so now so can carnage because of dr.corrners venom symbiotie is still in there i think eddie is still alive

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[web_head_33]

lizard as the main villian. why? youve got a whole bunch of spiderman villlians maybe not well known and you draw out the lizard? just because thet show doc connors in every one of those movies except the first doesnt mean he becomes a villian now. pick something like the spot.

but the lizard is well known. also they were going to use the lizard before but they didn't so why not use him now its the most logical choice out there and a lot of people want to see him

[Mob1423]

Lizard has to be in 4