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webslingerj

09-18-2003, 01:06 AM

Originally posted by radman
venom will be good, how about the jackal, for the clone saga?

Jackal was an excellent villain and I have stated before that he would be great if it weren't for that whole clone saga thing. The clone saga was great literature, but it killed SpiderMan both in literally and in circulation of the comic. I can't really see the general public accepting the whole Ben Reilly schpeel.

fred10

09-18-2003, 10:40 AM

Could make for an excellent story, if not those most thrilling action.

Spider-Man 2099

09-19-2003, 09:35 AM

no can do Adventureman! Because if I remember correctly isn't Harry the second Green Goblin? Isn't Hob Goblin some rich guy?

howheat

09-19-2003, 04:00 PM

Harry was actually the third Green Goblin, and Hobgoblin was someone else that found the green goblin gadgets as well as the formula...and correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember reading a comic book that said that Hobgoblin was stronger than the Green Goblin

AJ-Cool

09-19-2003, 11:02 PM

Hob Goblin was actually a guy that was just an average crook that was at the level of a bum. I believe it was the Kingpin that hired him, not sure, but he was hired, and was given the orange jerkin along with weapons and equipment, notably the glider, bombs, and gloves.

I would have to say from public opinion where I'm from, being known as Spider-Man more than my real name, that Venom would be an excellent villain. But that would also draw in the NASA crash in New York as well as J Jonah Jameson's newly found hatred of Spider-Man for the things his son goes through, bringing in the Scorpion I'm sure, We'll have to see how Spider-Man 2 goes first to figure out who would be the best villain to have in the third.

Isn't Doc Ock the first supervillain, then the Cameleon or Vulture?

If only Sony, New Line Cinema, and Fox worked a little closer, we could see some crossover characters like Wolverine or Blade, or maybe Daredevil show up in Spider-Man.

I can see the promotion for Venom if he was chosen to be in Spider-Man 3. The white spider emblem with a summer release date. Can't wait for Punisher to come out. Man, there's so many Marvel movies coming up. Marvel's Fantastic Four is finally going to show up sometime next year, as well as Elektra and possible a Captian America. This decade should be called the Marvel Era of Films.

Spider-Man 2099

09-20-2003, 06:29 AM

CAPTAIN AMERICA? *****s his pants* ...yay!

truebeleiver

09-20-2003, 11:56 AM

I personaly think that if the lizard isn't in this one they should go with him. But, I think they're going to go with venom. Because of the whole John Jameson thing and the fact that in the 1st movie when robbie Roberton is talking to Jameson about the spider-man picture on the front page of the daily bugle, and Eddie gets brout up, the TV. in the backround shows an astronout picking up somthing that looks a lot laike a symbiote.

co2_

09-20-2003, 02:23 PM

As far as the villian for Spider-man 3, I would have to go with Venom (Although I would be disapointed if they just totally skipped over the Lizard). I think in the hierarchy of Spider-man villians, Venom is naturally in line after the Green Goblin and Doc Ock (Maybe Hobgoblin is somewhere in there but that would be too much of the Goblin thing).
As for his introduction, from a couple of previous post I can see that many people think that the cartoon origin is Venom's true origin. Venom's real origin has nothing to do with Nasa or John Jameson so they don't have to do that at all. However, his origin in the comic and how Peter meets the Symbiote (while he is fighting the Secret Wars on another planet across the Universe), is not at all feasible for a film so they are going to have to do what the cartoon did and change it significantly. That doesn't mean it has to be just like the cartoon though.
What's more, I think the introduction of Eddie Brock, the symbiote, and Spider-man's black costume should all be self contained in the 3rd film and be nowhere near Spider-man 2.

shinlyle

09-23-2003, 11:28 AM

ok, this is going to sound really anal, but if you want to do venom right, you'd have to start the story in the second movie, with a little bit about the suit and eddie being mentioned, and maybe even seen, but not in action. they should play supporting roles , so to speak. in part three, have the lizard as the main villian, then have spidey obtain the black suit and ruin eddie's career. at the end, have peter discover the suit's true nature after battling the lizard and reject it. then have eddie in the cathedral obtain the suit. end part three. part four: venom as the main villian, harry becoming the second green goblin( or the hobgoblin if you must) in the end for part five. after that, who knows.:confused:

mre

09-23-2003, 03:31 PM

yea if they HAVE to put venom in a spider-man movie, i think that is the only way to do it, shinlyle. it seems to work perfectly. im just not that excited to see venom in a movie... i hope they wait for the 5th, if there is one

webslingerj

09-24-2003, 09:47 PM

As long as they don't make some **** like 'The Quest for Peace', I'll be happy.

shintobi

09-24-2003, 09:59 PM

Quoting me (heh heh):

A character developed as a means to explain away the alien costume Spidey got during the Secret Wars.

Here's my beef with Venom - one the costume really didn't benefit Spidey's strength or powers when he had the costume - in fact it drained his stamina and made him weaker - the only bonus was he didn't have to change costumes and no web shooters/fluid was required.

Now Eddie Brock comes along, gets the suit and suddenly a normal (okay he was a body builder) guy has equivalent strength and abilities as Spiderman, if not more. They should have just written off the alien suit as a mistake rather than reliving it for the past decade and a half.

shinlyle

09-25-2003, 07:28 AM

no way. venom rocks. everywhere, there are yins to the heroes yangs. wolverine has sabretooth, who neverseems to get interesting, even when he's in the movie. superman has bizarro, who is just about the dumbest character to ever be invented just because he has no overall purpose, other than being dumb. then you have venom. venom actualy has a motive, and isn't some retarded, overly dumbed down version of the hero. he actually stalks spidey and toys with him. he's not quite the green goblin, but he'll do.

mre

09-25-2003, 10:56 AM

he's not quite the green goblin, but he'll do.
thats the thing. i bet the only reason he was created was to fill the void the green goblin left. osborn is the opposite of peter, not brock. hes just blaming his failures on spider-man.

Spider-Man 2099

09-25-2003, 06:33 PM

Oh come on. Put yourself in Venom's place. Spider powers and all I would go hunt him down to.

shintobi

09-25-2003, 08:39 PM

Yeah, but you're missing the problem with the powers factor - why wasn't Spidey's powers augmented by the symbiote beyond his normal powers?

I dunno - just never liked him and I certainly think an Alien symbiote would be a real stretch for the movie world of Spidey.

fred10

09-26-2003, 05:54 AM

It did augment his powers. It made him stronger.

christian-car-crash

09-26-2003, 07:13 AM

Originally posted by spidey_fan1010
who will be the enemy?

Will they save Venom for last? or the HOB goblin!
So did u guys ever think about the hob goblin I know they are going to do him they have too!

christian-car-crash

09-26-2003, 10:24 AM

Hey spidey fans!

There is no one I'd rather see in spider-man 3 then the venom, but it AINT GONNA HAPPEN! I've heard solid word that the Lizard is gonna be the next to get his butt kicked.
I think we can all agree that Sam Raimi did a really great job bringing spiderman to the big screen. Think about it, he is determined to stay truthful to the comic, therefor Venom could not be in the third sequel. There is way to much story to be told to let it all happen in one movie. It just aint gonna happen. First of all Sam Raimi is only signed to do the first three movie, that's one thing. Besides, if it was up to me (Witch it isn't) I'd let spidey have the black suit for a whole movie, where you see him become more dark meaning that he starts getting very igotistic, thinking no one appriciates him, so why should he be the friendly naboorhood spiderman, when nobody cares for him. Let him get angry, up to a point where he finaly sees what he's been doing. That the black suit has controled him against his will, making him forget who he really is, and what he's fighting for. Doing that movie there could be a villain he has to battle of course, while Eddie Brock is following him around and taking pictures, wondering who's behind the mask. And then at the end of the movie, Peter should struggle a hard battle against himself, like another Gollum so to speak. And then at the very end make people really pissed as they se the sypiote jumpes on Brock after Peter somhow has left it behind. Well it's just a thought :) :)
Acording to sources, Eddie Brock wont even be mentioned in the second one. But if Sam Raimi would make the movies a saga instead of just sequel after sequel and does it right, the story about the black suit could be so freakin' cool!!!

shinlyle

09-26-2003, 11:52 AM

that's what i said! i think we all know what has to be done here. one of should invade sam raimi's house and make him listen!! we know what it takes to make a good spidey movie! if he just listens to the fans like he did on the last one, he'll do great!! i just need to spotters. i'll go over the wall. i may need some tranqs for the guard dogs.

spider-jide

09-27-2003, 04:36 AM

When i found out that jameson's son was going to be in the second movie and that ock wsa the villain, i immediately said that for the 3rd movie john jameson would be the man wolf. Hhowever, i've heard that the lizard might be the villain for the 3rd well... heres how it goes either lizard is the villain or man-wolf or both (which i doubt) but anyway in that 3rd movie it will introduce the symbiot costume, making spidey fight the villain in the symbiot costume but at the end it ends up with brock and spidey 4 will have venom.
If you go to countingdown.com and check out the spidey 2 board you'll see that i mentioned man-wolf being the 3rd villain and today at superherohype, some guy talked about man-wolf being the villain for spidey 3.
Also, if the 3rd movie is Raimi's last i think that is definately how its gonna be because he wanted classic spidey/villains and didn't want to do venom but because venom is in such high demand by fans i think he's setting the scene for venom for the 4th movie and whoever directs it (hopefully james cameron)they'll do venom plus i think that cameron would do a better jon directing a spidey film with venom.

christian-car-crash

09-27-2003, 05:46 AM

THIS GUY I LIKE!!!

I also think that James Cameron woud be perfect for the job. Acturly he was the one who started to right the spiderman script to begin with, I dont know why he didn't pull it of, and it was propobly for the best that Sam Raimi got the job at the end, cause he made the movie too good to be true, and for everyone to like. Although just like the Harry Potter books got more & more serious and darker, so could the spidey flicks in time. Of course only up to a point that is. Therefor James Cameron could take spiderman to a new limit. Just look at the movies he has made. The Abyss, aliens (witch was the best of them all). T2 & True Lie, not to mention Titanic. This man hasn't made one bad movie. And I've got a feeling that if you gave the project to Cameron after Raimi quits, he could make the movies about the black suit & Venom so god**** cool!

fred10

09-27-2003, 07:05 AM

From what I understand, Cameron was the one to initiate the organic webshooters. That I don't like.

Anyway, for this guy that you love so much... Apparently he gave up on the movie because Spider-man wasn't his own creation. This kind of hubris does not impress me. Hearing this kind of thing makes me think that changes were made to the characters simply for change's sake. These artistic liberties shouldn't have been allowed.

Raimi did make a good movie. However, he is not "determined to remain true to the comic", obviously. I would not at all be suprised if Spidey never wears the black suit and Venom appears at the end of the second movie without much introduction.

And that would be a shame, because the scene where Pete drives the suit away in the belltower would be awesome on film.

spidey symbiote

09-27-2003, 08:17 AM

Venom and carnage should be in 3 because spiderman has to get better enimys alll the time, imagine how he would try to kill themand then near the end he would get the symbiot costume. For the forth film (or what ever the lastone will be) they should have harry be the hob goblin, to make the sad ending for the death of harry:( sad, but i has to be that ways sometimes;)

mre

09-27-2003, 03:11 PM

i hate this venom topic. i hope it never happens. and i seem to recall raimi saying he didnt ever want to use venom either. although that may be wishfull thinking.

shintobi

09-28-2003, 04:53 AM

All you people griping about Raimi not being true to the comic but wanting Venom now are hypocrits.

Let's face it if we were to stay true to the comic Venom wouldn't be rearing his pathetic head for another 20 movies. Spidey would have to face foes like Vulture, Electro, Sandman, Hydroman, Tarantula... and the list goes on.

In fact compared to those villains Venom is a really poor choice - in fact Venom is just a replacement for Sandman after he turned good...

Just to throw you Venom "fans" a bone - who would be good to play Venom?

RisingSpider

09-28-2003, 06:12 AM

why do people think harry osborne is the hobgoblin? to my understanding harry osborne took over the green goblin, and the hobgoblin was just a common thug who got his hands on some ****.

mre

09-28-2003, 11:28 AM

we all know that he becomes the green goblin. but if they ever made the hobgoblin in the movies, it would most likely be harry, because he becomes a goblin in the comic books. and they wouldnt make a second green goblin in the movies, because people wouldnt like that idea. so you get the hobgoblin, you get harry becoming evil all in one movie. kill two birds with one stone.

Tricks87

09-28-2003, 01:13 PM

Well, from what I hear they are going to introduce Doctor connors in this movie, and will make the lizard the third villian.

spidarexman

09-28-2003, 02:03 PM

hey spidey fans,

Even though some people have been saying that lizard has already been picked for S2 i still really want the villian to be venom,he is hella cool.Is there going to really 4 or 5 spiderman movies cause thats what people have been saying but the last i heard from online or somewhere else,is that there are only going to be 3?i know this sounds kind of rushing them but i cant wait any longer for the second movie!they have already extended the date 4 when it comes out to theaters.it used to be for May 2004 but now its july.

SPIDYRAND

09-28-2003, 02:13 PM

:cool: Wouldn't venom start the symbiote saga there would have to be 2 parts. The first with spider-man getting the symbiote then eddie getting the symbiote. It could also be 1 big movie. Spider-man 2 at the end introduce eddie brock. Then number 4 would have to have carnage as the villian.:eek:Wait a minute why are we talking about Spider-man 3 anyways number 2 isn't even out. They might not even make a spider-man 3 because of spider-man losing his powers and becoming a pizzaboy(rumor):|

bladerun89

09-28-2003, 02:23 PM

your right. harry osbourne is the second green goblin. but the hob goblin is a thief that fell into norman osbournes secret lare.

co2_

09-28-2003, 10:06 PM

Folks,
I hate to be the bearer of potentially bad news. But I very recently read a breakdown as to which studio owns the rights to which characters. While Sony has Spidey, it seems that New Line owns the rights to Venom on film. If this is true, unless a deal is made, we may have to cancel any plans of seeing Venom in a Spidey picture. If someone can confirm or dipute this, please do.

shintobi

09-29-2003, 04:04 AM

Now there's some good news CO2!

shintobi

09-29-2003, 04:25 AM

Originally posted by fred10
It did augment his powers. It made him stronger.

Have you read any of those issues Fred10? Spidey wasn't made stronger by the symbiote he was weakened. The suit took him out swinging through NY whilst Peter was asleep.

So, no the suit didn't augment Peter's powers.

fred10

09-29-2003, 06:15 AM

Unfortunately home is in Nebraska while I am here in Florida.

Yes, you are right. The suit reduced his stamina because it took him out at night while he thought he was sleeping. However, while he had the suit on it did increase his strength. I would swear on my grandma's grave about this one if I didn't think she would be a little insulted. Next time I am in Omaha I will pull out those issues and find a reference for you. Of course, that won't be until my sister's wedding in May...

shinlyle

09-29-2003, 08:28 AM

it did increase his strength. yes. they covered the effects the suit had on spidey in one of the later venom encounters, it may have been in one of the ASM issues done by mcfarlane or larsen(both were written by dave micheline). it was either there, or in the fist carnage storyarc. after that, i kinda quit following venom until his recent revamp.

mre

09-29-2003, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by co2_
Folks,
I hate to be the bearer of potentially bad news. But I very recently read a breakdown as to which studio owns the rights to which characters. While Sony has Spidey, it seems that New Line owns the rights to Venom on film. If this is true, unless a deal is made, we may have to cancel any plans of seeing Venom in a Spidey picture. If someone can confirm or dipute this, please do.
GOOD

shintobi

09-30-2003, 10:52 PM

I have the original Ron Frenz issues about the black suit and if it did augment Peter's powers, it isn't mentioned - I'd say that's some bunk they made up to explain why Brock became so powerful.

Peter was always exahusted whilst he had the suit - not psyched up like steroid boy (Venom).

fred10

10-01-2003, 06:14 AM

Eddie as Venom is stronger than Spider-man because Eddie's base strength is greater than Peter's. Thus the proportional amplification of Eddie's already Olympic weightlifter build increased exponentially beyond Spider-man's.

The reason Peter was always so exhausted when he was conscious was because the symbiote took him out while he was unconscious. He never had any good sleep. Imagine if your body was worked out like that during sleepy-time.

web-head_S939

10-01-2003, 04:54 PM

i hope its Venom. i voted for him. though what what i hear on superherohype.com spidey 3 is going the way of hobby.

mre

10-01-2003, 08:52 PM

Originally posted by fred10
Eddie as Venom is stronger than Spider-man because Eddie's base strength is greater than Peter's. Thus the proportional amplification of Eddie's already Olympic weightlifter build increased exponentially beyond Spider-man's.

The reason Peter was always so exhausted when he was conscious was because the symbiote took him out while he was unconscious. He never had any good sleep. Imagine if your body was worked out like that during sleepy-time.
i wonder why the costume never took brock out for midnight strolls.

fred10

10-02-2003, 08:47 AM

'cuz Eddie gave into it. He didn't fight the dark side, so it didn't have too. They melded as one.

mre

10-02-2003, 01:33 PM

i see.... thats still pretty lame. 'give into my evil or else i will take you out for strolls at night!'

shinlyle

10-02-2003, 01:40 PM

yeah, well eddie only wanted to go kill spidey. the suit wants to kill spidey. before that, i guess the suit didn't have much of a purpose. maybe that's why it took peter out for midnight strolls. maybe it was bored.

mre

10-02-2003, 06:35 PM

that, i buy

howheat

10-02-2003, 11:36 PM

The suit wasn't only trying to bond with Spider-Man, it was trying to take him over, so the mid-night strolls were a way of wearing him down to weaken his will because peter fought the symbiote ferociously, Brock just succumbed to it, so there was no need to weaken him, it would only be weakening itself.

shintobi

10-03-2003, 03:59 AM

Originally posted by fred10
Eddie as Venom is stronger than Spider-man because Eddie's base strength is greater than Peter's. Thus the proportional amplification of Eddie's already Olympic weightlifter build increased exponentially beyond Spider-man's.

So we're saying Brock was stronger than Spiderman!!?? Peter was Spiderman - can bench press 10 tonnes - when he got the suit - there goes the theory of exponential strength increase. Or are you saying his Spider enhanced strength doesn't count?

webslingerj

07-02-2004, 02:35 PM

This was a fun thread. What does everyone think now? The first option can be taken as either Green or Hob.

linsper23

07-02-2004, 06:25 PM

The villian is going to be The Lizard(got that from yahoo movie section). I like The Lizard. I'd pick him also.

spider_man_fan_87

07-03-2004, 08:29 PM

Spider-man 3 will have the lizard and green goblin, because spider-man 2 features dr. connors, and at the end Harry finds the room where his dad kept all his green goblin junk. But hopefully, it will be Venom, that would be sooo AWESOME!

Hannibal_King

07-03-2004, 11:42 PM

Yea I heard about that whole new line Venom fiasco too, bastards, but my guess is that maybe they aquired the rights with the intention of sony buying them out just so they could make easy cash, and if that's true then we might see Venom after all. Or, here's another scenario: Sony aquires the rights for Venom after they expire for new line. Either way new line couldn't really make a good venom movie without peter parker, cause he gets the suit first, and Sony owns the rights to Spidey. So I ask you this, if Venom's greatest enemy is Spidey, and we aren't able to see Spidey in a venom movie, what's the point, thats what made the character so interesting in the first place. Without Spidey, Venom has no purpose. Thanks

-Hannibal out