MOVIE Spider-Man 2 Review/Discussion (Spoilers) [Archive]

LadyEowynKenobi

06-30-2004, 02:06 AM

just saw spiderman. all i can say is wow, you have got to see this film. i'm not saying everything is perfect but it is worth the wait -- and the hype. you can really see that the writing team made a conscious effort to bring a better story than the first, and its evident in the character developments pieces scattered throughout the film. there was Harry Osborn's conflict, MJ's decision in choosing which man she would stand by and of course Peter Parkers decisions and his relationships to the people in his life (MJ, Aunt May, the citizens of NY). although there are more than enough times where this film made me go "huh?", its still a good balance of slam-bang action and good story/ character development. i'm not sure to say that this film is better than the first (i'll need at least another viewing to figure that out), but it certainly equals its predecessor.

as always i have my comments, on the scenes that has affected me-- making me either go "wow!" or "huh?!"

~ Peter Parker- MJ Watson relationship-- ok yeah sure its sweet and it certainly keeps up the momentum they had going in the first film, but in the end where MJ finds out Spiderman = Peter Parker, it did made me go "huh?" it didn't go down too well with me because firstly, i felt isn't it a little too early for her to find out his secret ID? and secondly, this is just the 2nd film, now that the secrets out, what will sustain the suspense between these two come Spidey 3? if the films are a fast forward version of key events in the comic books, then does that mean that MJ will meet her fate sooner than any of us expect?

~ Citizens seeing Spidey's face-- pretty much the same feeling as PP-MJ relationship. it makes me feel really queasy that so many people has seen his face. sure some may argue that they don’t know his name, but geez what would happen when they bump into him on the street or see him in some party or anywhere where a lot of people congregate (like a crime scene or a fire) and sees him in the area? after all he is a photographer, that mug of his is bound to go places, like it or not. also, what on earth will assure him that all of those train folk won't talk?

~ Dr Octopus-- first off, i gotta say this: Alfred Molina rocks! he looks so perfect for this part, its like the comic/ animated version come to life (albeit with better hairstyle). he gave a great performance that does do this role justice.

if there is something about it that i didn’t like was that the fact that the artificial intelligence (AI) in the robotic arms were the ones responsible for the Doc goin over to the dark side; that they were controlling his mind and that DO wasn’t really making those decisions. it takes the edge out of the character, and unfortunately some of the bite out of AM performance, because you end up comparing him to Wil Defoe's GG, and well a character is a lot stronger when you know that he is conscious of his own actions rather than being a puppet of some inanimate object.

i also couldn’t quite follow the relationship of the Fission science with the robotic arms. it didn’t feel like it was necessary to have those arms with regards to the experiment-- the fission project looks more like it should've been done with those huge robotic arms they use when they assemble cars and in a secured area (think nuclear lab) than an office building with spectators. so i guess that the flaw in the story development.

~ Harry Osborn-- this guy's character development is going really well, so much so that when he finally steps up to the plate and truly be his father's son, it is expected that we will get a deeper, perhaps more wretched and more complicated GG than the first one-- quite a task, knowing that Defoe gave such a great performance as GG1. i'm hoping that James Franco can deliver the goods on what could be the best villain yet (judging that we're spending so much time on developing the character) because, dude, those are pretty big shoes to fill.

~ Peter Parker- Harry Osborn-- oh boy, the next film will be mighty complicated with regards to this two. they start out as best friends then as rival suitors then what could become the most bitter enemies since Batman and Joker. i do find it ironic that HO found out that PP is Spiderman and that PP couldn’t explain things fully (unlike what he was able to do for MJ and Aunt May). so far, this is the most curious-- and the most interesting aspect of the story for the next film

~ cameos -- got to see Stan Lee! as usual its a blink-and-you'll-miss it scene. and also Bruce Campbell, funny guy :D, i'm hoping he'll be in the third film

~ Psychosomatic Spidey?-- i'm not quite sure what the heck is going on with regards to PP losing his Spidey powers other than some kind of psychological episode. and unless you've got a background in Psychology, you'll find little correlation with PP's diminishing powers and the challenges he faces in his life. its like the story spells it out but your alone in pulling all those clues together to figure out what’s happening to Spidey.

speaking of challenges in his life, if you think PP is a looser in the first film, this film still defines him as one but with an exclamation point. geez you'll really feel sorry for this guy. makes you kinda wish that people would start paying for Spidey's services :D

overall as i've said at the start it is a great film, and is certainly worth the money, but its not without flaws. and by some strange reason Spidey 2 feels like its the last film of the franchise, just because so many people know Spiderman's ID, whether by just seeing his face or realizing who he is. but this film does have a good send off to the third film with Harry finding the truth about GG and MJ now starting to live her curse of worrying for PP day in day out.

*** to the Mods, my sincerest apologies if there is a thread/ forum where we can post our reviews but currently i am not seeing one thus i hope i am free to post my review as a separate thread in thsi forum. if you do plan to create a thread/ forum specifically for reviews, please do move/ merge my thread to the proper place. thanks!

niknil

06-30-2004, 02:29 AM

that film was..... HOLY COW!!!! OMFG! it was one master piece! it was Brilliant! fantastic! it had me on the edge of my seat for the whole thing! wow. the story line was soooo intenese, and the lead up to Doc Oct, the cameo with anthoney hoppkins, the acting, the storyline, on and on... this is a movie only to see at the movies first, and then get the dvd! omg. ] it's one of the best sequels i have ever witnessed in my life (i noe there might/is beta..). thank-you spiderman!

Fancydan59

06-30-2004, 03:29 AM

Just returned from the midnight showing in my hometown, and they appeared to have sold out three auditoriums! At first I was surprised to see they were still selling tickets then when they began to let us in we had our choice of three different theaters!

When it all let out at the same time, I was amazed at the mass of humanity that came flowing out of the movie house! Had to be well over a thousand people.

BTW.......I absolutely loved the movie. Favorite part was probably the fight that included the train scene. AWESOME!!!!

Zero_Mage

06-30-2004, 03:30 AM

don't we all wish it was 2007?

bingus

06-30-2004, 04:11 AM

Originally posted by niknil
wow. the story line was soooo intenese, and the lead up to Doc Oct, the cameo with anthoney hoppkins,

Anthony Hopkins was in it? Where?

NpFireFox04

06-30-2004, 09:08 AM

I like so many other spidey fans saw it at midnight and believe me it was worth every penny. It would of costed 20 bucks and I still would of wanted to see it. To bad you all didnt go to the cobbs theatre in merrit island they played the trailer at the beginning and it was poor quality and it made you think thats how the movie was going to be but then you saw a little skit where a guy dressed in the green goblin suit destroying the projecter and after that we got a short skit showing spider man coming in to save the day and it was a good way to show how far theatres will go to impress the audiance. Oh the movie was great except for the common problem of them setting up hobbgoblin to be the next villian, its obvious everyone wants venom or at least something new like lizard man or mysterio, or even better a different super hero to join forces with spidey:D

drseuss90

06-30-2004, 09:39 AM

Lets get one thing right here, Harry is not the hobgoblin. He is the Green Goblin. Hobgoblin is a criminal that doesnt have super strength. As far as the ending, it was perfect! If you are a fan of the comics, then the ending isnt painting itself into a corner, its opening up another chapter in a very good spiderman story. The fact that MJ and Harry know that Pete is Spiderman is going to open up a new complicated story line for 3 (I feel its gonnna have to be at least a 2.5 hour movie, if not more). In 3 we will begin to see the MJ that exists in the current comics. She will want to support Peter but the relationship will suffer because Peter is spiderman. The story line in 2 is prolly the most "true-to-comic" story line I have ever seen in the movies. And by "true-to-comic", I mean that the characters are right on their mark and the story line captures the same spirit as the comics. Venom would be a really hard character to develope, and while it would be cool to see him on the big screen, the 2nd Green Goblin story in the comics has a lot of substance in it. If they remain true to the comics, then the 2nd Green Goblin will make Peter's life hell in the 3rd movie and there will be no need for a 2nd villian because the story will already be complicated enough. In short this was a great movie, and i especially loved the fact that peter couldnt stop the train with his feet and ended up hurting his leg. It was a great movie!

superpuneet

06-30-2004, 10:06 AM

I'm not sure if I heard it correctly, but when they were introducing J.J. Jameson's son at the cocktail dinner, they said he is the only person to have played football on the moon. I'm not sure this is possible because football is at least a two-man sport unlike golf (which was actually attempted on the moon). Yes, yes. I am a nerd. But I had to say it.

Otherwise, I loved the entire movie.

drseuss90

06-30-2004, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by superpuneet
I'm not sure if I heard it correctly, but when they were introducing J.J. Jameson's son at the cocktail dinner, they said he is the only person to have played football on the moon. I'm not sure this is possible because football is at least a two-man sport unlike golf (which was actually attempted on the moon). Yes, yes. I am a nerd. But I had to say it.

Otherwise, I loved the entire movie.

Unless there were 2 on the moon, and he was first to throw the ball. I wonder how that would work.......

surfiiinsafari

06-30-2004, 10:46 AM

I was laughing so hard in this movie, like when Aunt May was loosing her grip on her cane but there was a ledge under her! There were alot of funny parts in this movie!

SpindelStrike

06-30-2004, 10:52 AM

alright, i just saw the the film last night at the midnigh showing. and i know i'm going to get flamed for this on these boards haha, but i'm sure there are others that feel the same as i do and that is this. raimi has stepped on the toes of every hardcore comic fan! EVERYTHING I FEARED THAT WOULDN'T BE IN THIS MOVIE WASN'T, AND EVERYTHING I FEARED WAS IN THIS MOVIE WAS IN IT. there are so many things i didn't like in the movie but there are also things i did like. the action was amazing, but the story is completely changed from the comics! i wasnt expecting the same story from the comics, but ill explain my dislikes and likes:

first off, i was extremly frustrated at how they changed doc ock's motive. the arms can control him?? what kinda BS is that? doc ock is suppose to be insane! not controlled by his tentecales, that is one of the stupidest things the writers and directors have done. and DAMINT why did they make doc ock die?? he is NOT suppose to die. does every villian in this movie have to die?

next, where the heck is the wise-cracking spidey we all love???!! i havent seen him in either movie. spidey's wise cracking is one of the most important parts about his characted!!! rami you idiot!! haha. without spidey wise-cracking it really isn't spidey. to me as far as im concerned this movie isn't really spider-man, its just some guy with the same powers and same name, thats the most they have in common with the real spider-man from the comics.

was it me or did the movie show more of peter out of costume then in costume? i also think that him having those moments of losing his powers was a good idea but damint they sure could have gone more into it. i mean it was happening but they never made it a big deal. it just kinda went away. but yeah this movie was nothing close to perfect. i was actaully more excited after seeing the first one then after watching the second. i know raimi is signed on for the third, but i dont want him directing the third now. he is no where near the guy that should do this movie because he is not making the movies for real spider-man fans. come on not ONCE did peter call ocatvius Doc Ock. ****it thats suppose to be his freakin name!

was it just me or was there a lot of repatative things in this movie from the first one? burning building with a baby inside (i swear for a second i thought doc ock was gonna be in the closet haha), the bugle "naming" the villian, mj getting kidnapped, the villian went after aunt may, mj and pete starting a convo. cuz peter went out to take the trash, spideys costume being torn up again at the end, and other ones i cant think of at the moment.

now things that were cool in the movie was the action. oh my gosh the action was freakkin amazing!! the battles kicked a*s!! also another cool thing that i actaully enjoyed more then the story was how the referenced dr. strange and saying that name was already taken. that was probably the best thing that came outta the story haha :cool: . well its actaulyl sad but thats all i can think of. i guess for all those people that dont read the comics and just like spider-man as a character the movie rocked, but for a comic nerd like me, it was a very big dissapointed as to what i expected.

drseuss90

06-30-2004, 10:54 AM

I felt that the humor was on paar with the comics. I like the whild brooms falling out of the closet in the begining. I also thought the part where Peter hurts his back was a funny reference to sea biscut.

SpindelStrike

06-30-2004, 11:02 AM

you know what i wouldnt be surprised if harry osborn was the hobgoblin in the third film, theyve already changed so much of the characters. theyll probably just screw up like they already have.

decemberflower7

06-30-2004, 11:04 AM

ok as sooo many ither spidey fans i saw the movie at midnight. i was soo lucky b/c my parents wern't goignt o let me go but since my b-day is today the made an exception.
anyways, this movie was awesome!! by far better that the 1st but i like the 1st ending b/c it wasn't a disney one where the guy gets the girl.
peter whole psycological problem thing was kinda confusing b/c when he wanted to use his powers he couldn't because he kinda didn't wanna be spidey. i dunno its something like that. but when peter tries to becom spidey again and tries to jump from a roof top and screams im back and all that jazz he cant do it. so im seriously confused on that part.
mj, come on pleeze this gurl needs to stop gettin kiddnapped, and we all know she die soon cause she choose to be wit peter. which by the way was sweet, but predictable. ummm that realtionship wont last becasue mj will be in danger and cant handle the stress of peter alwwyas gone and stuff
harry, my love. gosh this guy get better with each movie! and i dont just mean the character!!! :\ but we all kno he'll follow daddy's footsteps and become a gobblin. we all know it gg2 but they wont call him that because it too confusing, so they will use hobgobblin for his name. i dunno if i can see him evil, he seemed to bitter in this one and from here it only gets worse.
doc ock, beautiful performance, seriously, that was the coolest special effects ever! i felt sorry for him when his wife died. but the arms taking over his brain??? hmmmmmm, and the lab being in an apartment??? hmmmmmm interesting. but i looved the whole sunglasses thing, very kool b/c even wne he was "dying" (we'll see) in the water the were floating right by him, soooo funny. ummmmm yeah overall and awesome villian
peter telling aunt may the truth was akward, it didn't seeem like the right time to do that and she forgave him sooo easily, maybe it was the loove and after the bank sceen what happend to peter and aunt may????
the whole raindrop sceen was funny. i looved it soo much it was really kool to see that other side of him. ummm
peter relashonship wit harry is gone. maybe harry well say he forgives peter but plot against him as hobby? hmmm and since harry knows like evrthing about peter, its goignt ot be really hard to fight him off because he knows his weakness and stuff like that so, intersting
why didi everyone though have to see peters face. it seemed like every 5 sec his mask was off. the citizen thing was ok, although im sure thoose kids will end up sellimg him out. it was waaaaaay to early fro mj to find out. unless she dies in sm3. also doesn't peter go out with (drawing a blank wit name) the dailey bugel guys secretary??? maybe that was jsut the comic book. overall this movie exceded my expectations and the whole pullign off the mask sceen was my fav part. (could have been a little longer but still kool)
hope evryone enjoys it! go and see it so we can break some box office records!!!

DarcMind

06-30-2004, 11:05 AM

Does spiderman get beat up in this movie alot

drseuss90

06-30-2004, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by SpindelStrike
alright, i just saw the the film last night at the midnigh showing. and i know i'm going to get flamed for this on these boards haha, but i'm sure there are others that feel the same as i do and that is this. raimi has stepped on the toes of every hardcore comic fan! EVERYTHING I FEARED THAT WOULDN'T BE IN THIS MOVIE WASN'T, AND EVERYTHING I FEARED WAS IN THIS MOVIE WAS IN IT. there are so many things i didn't like in the movie but there are also things i did like. the action was amazing, but the story is completely changed from the comics! i wasnt expecting the same story from the comics, but ill explain my dislikes and likes:

first off, i was extremly frustrated at how they changed doc ock's motive. the arms can control him?? what kinda BS is that? doc ock is suppose to be insane! not controlled by his tentecales, that is one of the stupidest things the writers and directors have done. and DAMINT why did they make doc ock die?? he is NOT suppose to die. does every villian in this movie have to die?

next, where the heck is the wise-cracking spidey we all love???!! i havent seen him in either movie. spidey's wise cracking is one of the most important parts about his characted!!! rami you idiot!! haha. without spidey wise-cracking it really isn't spidey. to me as far as im concerned this movie isn't really spider-man, its just some guy with the same powers and same name, thats the most they have in common with the real spider-man from the comics.

was it me or did the movie show more of peter out of costume then in costume? i also think that him having those moments of losing his powers was a good idea but damint they sure could have gone more into it. i mean it was happening but they never made it a big deal. it just kinda went away. but yeah this movie was nothing close to perfect. i was actaully more excited after seeing the first one then after watching the second. i know raimi is signed on for the third, but i dont want him directing the third now. he is no where near the guy that should do this movie because he is not making the movies for real spider-man fans. come on not ONCE did peter call ocatvius Doc Ock. ****it thats suppose to be his freakin name!

was it just me or was there a lot of repatative things in this movie from the first one? burning building with a baby inside (i swear for a second i thought doc ock was gonna be in the closet haha), the bugle "naming" the villian, mj getting kidnapped, the villian went after aunt may, mj and pete starting a convo. cuz peter went out to take the trash, spideys costume being torn up again at the end, and other ones i cant think of at the moment.

now things that were cool in the movie was the action. oh my gosh the action was freakkin amazing!! the battles kicked a*s!! also another cool thing that i actaully enjoyed more then the story was how the referenced dr. strange and saying that name was already taken. that was probably the best thing that came outta the story haha :cool: . well its actaulyl sad but thats all i can think of. i guess for all those people that dont read the comics and just like spider-man as a character the movie rocked, but for a comic nerd like me, it was a very big dissapointed as to what i expected.

I don’t understand how the move deviated from the comics so much. I’ve been reading the comics for several years now, and I thought the story captured the spirit of the comics. In the comics, there are several issues where there is no Spiderman, only Peter, Amazing Spiderman just put out an issue like that.
Tell me would you be wise cracking if you were going through all the turmoil in your life? I don’t think he was wise cracking in the comics either when things were going that bad for him.
As far as Doc Ock being insane…. How would they explain it in the movie? That explosion cause him to go insane. That’s not so believable. Instead they put AI in the arms that he was using. I thought it was a more realistic spin on the situation.
As far as the movie being repetitive…. You must not read the comics very much. Things are always happening to the people around him. That’s what makes the story. Even though he is Peter Parker, he is still Spiderman, and it gets those around him into so much trouble. This happened a lot in the early comics too. I mean Gwen dies, and then M.J. is kidnapped, so on and so fourth. It totally maintained the spirit of the comics. Perhaps you should be less critical and be open to a new spin on the character. Every new artist brings a new spin to the characters and the stories in the comics, why should it be any different in the movies?

drseuss90

06-30-2004, 11:08 AM

Why would they name Harry hobgoblin in the 3rd when he was looking right at the green goblins mask in the second. he will be green goblin. hobgoblin is a different character!

decemberflower7

06-30-2004, 11:17 AM

hello there going to name him that because their is too many stupid people who get the two green gobblins confuse so the go a diff direction

Rachoeyfan

06-30-2004, 11:21 AM

I went to a midnight showing, like some people on here, and the theatre had FOUR auditoriums sold out!

Anyway, the movie kicked a**! Through out the whole movie, I just wanted to go up to Peter Parker and say "Do you need a hug?" I felt so bad for the guy (especially the part where he's dragging his bike home and has to see all those MJ posters).

I mainly wanted to see Spiderman 2 because of the Peter/Harry conflict, and it didn't disappoint. I was like "Did Harry just smack Peter?"
And when Peter was finally revealed to Harry, I loved how Peter couldn't explain anything clearly to him.

I know some people were disappointed that Peter was revealed so soon. But considering the next movie won't be out until 2007, would you really want to wait 3 more years til he's revealed? I'm glad the revelation was done now and not then.

And the last shot of MJ could be taken either way. I took the look on her face as a "OMG, what have I gotten myself into" or "This is gonna be a long ride."

Everyone in the theatre was hooting and howling at the "Go get 'em, tiger." And some people chuckled at the get on/get off double meaning. And people we're HYSTERICAL at "My back, my back."

I loved the part where the guy on the train says "He's just a kid. He's no older than my son." It kinda puts everything into perspective in terms of so much that Peter goes through in being Spiderman.

Anyway, I'm done babbling. Stop reading my post and go see the **** movie again!

drseuss90

06-30-2004, 11:21 AM

i really doubt they will rename him. they seem to want to hold true to the comics. we'll just have to wait and see though in the offical press release of the villian.

Fancydan59

06-30-2004, 11:31 AM

Whether Harry comes back in Spidey three as the Green Goblin, or the Hobgoblin...........I'm hoping they have Harry give the Goblin costume an extreme makeover!

Please have Harry's Goblin costume turn out to be at least something with a mask that gives him a face that moves and speaks and shows expressions!!

spides9

06-30-2004, 11:33 AM

MY VISION~ I would like to see spidey in the black suit. This would also develop JJ more in the script and introduce his son as well. We could also spawn the fantastic four from the sucess of spiderman. Introduce them very briefly and have their own series of movies following. Then have Hulk 2 with an appearance of spidey. Eventually encompassing all Marvel heros within each other. Later creating a huge collection of DVD's of Marvel Superheroes.
Just a thought

Fancydan59

06-30-2004, 11:37 AM

But the Fantastic Four movie is going to be made, and completed by another studio and well ahead of Spiderman 3.

drseuss90

06-30-2004, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by Fancydan59
Whether Harry comes back in Spidey three as the Green Goblin, or the Hobgoblin...........I'm hoping they have Harry give the Goblin costume an extreme makeover!

Please have Harry's Goblin costume turn out to be at least something with a mask that gives him a face that moves and speaks and shows expressions!!

I'm not totally sure how i felt about the goblin mast myself. I understand that it was the realistic option for the character, but there's gotta be another way. dont get me wrong, i liked the goblin character in the first movie very much but the mask could be better (not that is entirely bad though)

Killya

06-30-2004, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by SpindelStrike
i'm sure there are others that feel the same as i do and that is this. raimi has stepped on the toes of every hardcore comic fan! EVERYTHING I FEARED THAT WOULDN'T BE IN THIS MOVIE WASN'T, AND EVERYTHING I FEARED WAS IN THIS MOVIE WAS IN IT. there are so many things i didn't like in the movie but there are also things i did like.

Stan Lee gave his stamp of approval on this movie. Why can't you?

All I can hope for is not another golbin repeat. I dont want Spiderman3 to mirrow spiderman1.

STEVEPARKER

06-30-2004, 12:30 PM

I am not going to make a long entrie,
I just have to saw I saw the movie and I am going to see it again. I loved it best superhero movie ever!!
An if you dont think so well then...your wrong and frankly a moron.
I also think it was good how it ended MJ is with Peter and HArry is a villian in training with his goblin toys. I mean Harry is insane that is why he saw Norman and that is why he needs to become a Goblin. GG2!
It was Amazing ...it made me laugh ,had me on the edge of my seat, made me cry ..alittle and well it made me wish SPidey was real. GREAT JOBS to marvel & SOny. Tobey, Kristen, James, Alfred and all the rest are perfect for their roles.
Can't wait till 3!
NUFF SAID!
~steve parker

boyzdynasty

06-30-2004, 01:10 PM

I'll be off to see the movie again later tonight w/ a friend who didn't go w/ me to see the midnight show.

Sorry to hear some of the disappointed comments but I think it's a far better movie than X-MEN, X-MEN 2, Batman series, and The Hulk, esp. The Hulk!

surfiiinsafari

06-30-2004, 01:56 PM

boyzdynasty, I also saw the midnight showing and I'm also going again tonight with some friends who havn't seen it I think that Spidey 2 was better than all the other super hero movies but it was a close competition with X2 cause that movie is awesome!

trickster_brat

06-30-2004, 02:31 PM

Spider-Man 2 meets Spider-Man head on, although I'm a little hesitant to give it rave reviews.

The overall tone of the movie was darker than the first. Peter Parker's exploration of his powers is over, and it's be over two years since the death of Uncle Ben. He's set in his role of our hero in blue-n-red, and yet there's inner turmoil reminiscent of "what if?" Basically, from what I felt from the writing of Spider-Man 2 and the character development was Peter truly questioning who he really is. If he's going to let his alter-ego define him for the rest of his life. When will be the time for him to move on? So that aspect of the movie I loved, and it was heartbreaking to have his powers flux, lose Harry, and MJ all in one swoop.

So with that in mind, the "Raindrops" sequence made me fold my arms and regard the screen with grimace. It just seemed like such a contrast to such a serious turn of events, which comic fans would know the next logical steps to of course. In that respect, some of comedic scenes (ie. Aunt May slapping that loan officer's hand, Aunt May on the ledge, etc.) really captured the light-hearted aspect of the comics, but most of the others seemed forced as if someone were desperately trying to balance the drama with unnecessary comedy in order to please general audiences. If Spider-Man did not have that much needed inner conflict and drama then he wouldn't seem so human; fans would not love him as much as they do. So the drama vs. comedy balancing act they pulled was a shakey tightrope walk. Although, maybe it's the fact that the audience at the midnight showing I went to was laughing raucously during a scene directly followed by some drama, and yet they kept on laughing. That somewhat soured the viewing for me.

As far as potential new characters, I'm a little down due to the fact that the Society Ball held for J. J. Jameson's son didn't have a cameo by Felicia Hardy, 'cause we all know that would've been the perfect place to put her. Sort of like Hank McCoy in X2. But all those villains just hinted at: The Lizard, Green Goblin, Venom (sans Eddie Brock?), and a mutated Spider-Man... possibilities are endless.

The end of the movie was so ominous too. Definitely a fitting close to a more dramatic installment of Peter's struggles as Spider-Man. As someone else mentioned in this thread, Mary Jane might meet her fate sooner than expected.

Oh, and I can't say enough how they really opened up Doctor Octavius' character and made him into so much more than just another insane villain. Even by the decision not to call him 'Doc Ock' throughout the whole movie because they made him into so much more than that. Pairing him with a loving wife, played by the awesome Donna Murphy which was a treat, and having Peter look up to him was just gold for his character. Alfred Molina gave such an awesome performance, I just looked forward to his next appearance throughout the film. The AI route for the tentacles allowed for some definite character development, especially for his last words, something along the lines of, "I will not die a monster!" Loving the drama!

So yeah, some of the comedy made me wince, along with "Vindicated" and "Raindrops," but overall the movie definitely meets its predecessor full-on. Simply cannot wait until the next installment.

boyzdynasty

06-30-2004, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by surfiiinsafari
boyzdynasty, I also saw the midnight showing and I'm also going again tonight with some friends who havn't seen it I think that Spidey 2 was better than all the other super hero movies but it was a close competition with X2 cause that movie is awesome! X2 was okay. I like the way they ended w/ the Pheonix. Well, enjoy it the second time around. I'm off to dinner then the movie. Catcha later.

p.s.
what are you doing reading this post. go watch sm2!! :D

Hobgoblin138

06-30-2004, 02:37 PM

Excuse me DR. Connors but i juz wanted to ask how was the Lizard Man refered to in the first movie?:cool:

jsisbuff

06-30-2004, 03:05 PM

i am seeing the film in 45 minits and i can t wait

charonNYC

06-30-2004, 03:30 PM

I don't know about the rest of you, but when I walked out of the theatre I was ready to find the nearest tall building and jump off! What a rush!

drseuss90

06-30-2004, 03:37 PM

i had a pretty big grin on my face...

Sonic the Hedgehog™

06-30-2004, 05:13 PM

I've seen it twice.

I must say awesome movie, better than the first.
Alot more web-swinging than the first one, lots more action too.

My fav scene I must say, is the when Spidey and Doc Ock fight on top of the subway. The only thing I didn't like about the scene, was that everyone in the train see's Sipidey's face.

I'm really hoping, Spider-Man 2 breaks the first movie's Box Office record.

Over all great movie, and I plan on seeing it again this Friday.

Now excuse me while I go play Spider-Man 2 the game. *shoots web and swings away*

dark_mullet

06-30-2004, 06:26 PM

My only problem with the seuquel is how little damage Doc Ock took.

I mean, Spidey was punching Otto' face with all of his strength. Spidey can lift a tank. Those pucnhes should have knocked Ock out in an instant.

Other than that, excellent movie. go Sam.

TRUSPIDYFAN

06-30-2004, 06:54 PM

I just saw it and i cant belive that they killed another villian i mean my god wtf is that the only way to win and i hate that they keep going back to harry and the green goblin why cant we have so good old school villians like venom he is the best

Tati79

06-30-2004, 06:57 PM

I must say I loved it. I enjoyed it all the way, including some changes. The only thing that made me sad was Ock's ending, but I am a bit confused about that lol...I think we shall see more of that on the third one. It really rocked, it was awesome awesome. Funny as always just like Spidey, emotional, a lot of drama, action, cool special effects. JUST GREAT, I loved it even more than the first one and I will watch it more than once.Man...IT ROCKED!!!

kAtiE_kAtE

06-30-2004, 06:57 PM

i just saw spidey from the first showing here in Philippines and i love it even more! ;) its more focused to the romance of Peter and MJ! its so exciting!!!! :eek: plus i love the simplicity and elegance of Kirsten's wedding gown! i gez i wud include it to my list of wedding gowns designs i have when i get married sumday! lol

elvis800

06-30-2004, 06:59 PM

I love this movie. So much better than the first. The best movie I've ever seen. So Great!!!!!

I have to second what other people have said in thanking the entire cast and crew of the movie and everyone involved in it. Thank you for bring us such a great movie. Thank you for not disapointing us. Thank you for not letting us down. Keep up the great work!!!!!

elvis800

06-30-2004, 07:05 PM

Oh yeah, and TRUSPIDYFAN,
I'm not really sure if Doc Ock is dead. I mean you see him floating in the water but something they tend to do in comic books is bring people back. You never really know he's dead, like you did with the Green Goblin. Plus, Doc Ock is still alive in the comics. I wouldn't be surprised if Doc Ock comes back, whether in the form of an enemy of Spider-man or something else. You never know.

lmnopotts

06-30-2004, 07:13 PM

Just got back from the movie and felt I needed to post. DEFINITELY far exceeded my expectations. I used to be an avid collector and reader as a kid so I was extremely critical and came away from this film loving it. 2007 for SP3 right?

p.s. - its been a while since i've cracked a comic...anything interesting happening to spidey recently? the last one I have is when Norman Osbourne returns and Ben Reilly dies. What ever happened to Pete's and MJ's baby?

STEVEPARKER

06-30-2004, 07:14 PM

OK listen you can't believe with 100% certainty that Ock is dead. Sure he might be and he is not coming back in 3 but all we say was him sinking in the water. Who knows if he suddenly wakes up and swims away or if a fishing boat finds him, etc. The movie just ended where you didnt know.
I too could not stop smiling while watching this movie it is just too goo to be true.
Plus I cant believe people are comparing this movie to X2. Only a die hard X fan would say something like that. I mean I thought x2 was cool but come on. Spider-man 2 had a BETTER story for starters, they actually made an effort to develop the characters.( The only character development I say in x2 was Wolverine,and it wasnt much.)
Special effects for spidey were much better, the villian was better. I mean everything. Plus all the critic reviews I am hearing say SM2 is the Best superhero movie yet! So if you disagree please tell me so I can explain more reasons.
NUFF said!
~steve parker
"Harry, there are bigger things going on here besides me and you."

STEVEPARKER

06-30-2004, 07:16 PM

Uhh the baby you are refering to was a miscarriage I think, but I know for sure they never had a baby.
( With the sad exception of Spider-Girl aka May Parker.)
~steve parker

lmnopotts

06-30-2004, 07:18 PM

no, i remember the miscarriage but a few weeks later it showed norman osbourne on a yacht in the mediterrean with the baby. i guess nothing came of that.

docf

06-30-2004, 07:24 PM

when does mj die in the comic books?

I thought the writers did a great "reveal". Too bad the same people keep screwing it up with smallville.

I feel that with enough repeat business this may actually beat Titanic at the domestic box office. It really does leave the viewer satisfied.

lmnopotts

06-30-2004, 08:09 PM

whooooooooooaaaa...MJ dies in the comic books? man, a lot happens in 6 years i guess...

spideyjc6

06-30-2004, 08:11 PM

I saw the midnight showing after a long anticipated wait, and unlike most of you, I haven't been able to go back to see it. But I've been thinking about it all day. What an awesome movie!!! Spider-Man has always been my favorite superhero, and while I must admit I never have really gotten to into the comics so I'm a little ignorant about things (I too don't know when MJ dies...) I loved it. I think both movies have truly done justice to Spider-Man. Sure, we can nitpick and whatnot, but it was awesome. I'm still trying to decide how I feel about everyone (well, MJ and Harry) knowing who he is (again my ignorance...does Harry ever find out in the comic?), but I actually thought the subway scene was great. As far as Doc Ock, awesome stuff, I too have my doubts as to whether he is dead or not. Hobgoblin138: The Lizard isn't mentioned in the first one, but Peter mentions how he was late for work and so Dr Connors, who is the Lizard, fired him. And though it definitely can't be considered an intro, they DO mention Eddie Brock in the first movie as the initial photographer who is trying to get pictures of Spidey.

Enough babble, I loved the movie. I can't wait until I can have it at home and watch it whenever I wish. I just hope that if we get past 3, they keep Tobey....we don't want another Batman tragedy. What are they on now, actor #4 or something...

LONG LIVE SPIDER-MAN!!!!!!

lordof

06-30-2004, 08:17 PM

Raindrops keep fallin' on my head..."

It's been said a million times already. Best movie I've ever seen. I knew it would be from the opening credits, with the flashback pictures of SM 1.

Oh, man, Spider-man just stole that guy's pizzas!

The movie just turned out so friggin' WELL...I was shocked.

There was only ONE loose end that they didn't cover: Aunt May getting booted. From what I remember, Aunt May was ALWAYS in that house. Sure, she came CLOSE to being evicted, but Peter always came through at the last minute, and paid the rent...paid the bills...SOMEHOW.

MarvelCrazy

06-30-2004, 08:28 PM

I made such a fool out of myself when I saw SM2!! When they showed Harry walking into that secret room, I grabbed my friend and whispered loudly "I KNEW IT!" and everyone laughed at me. Then when MJ said "Go get 'em tiger", I go "She finally called him tiger!" and.....I squealed. lol everyone around me scoffed and laughed. Eh.. but it was friggin worth it making a fool outta myself!! Oh and I'm a die hard X fan but SM2 beats the hell outta X2. I can't believe I said that even though I love Spidey just as much!!

lordof

06-30-2004, 08:31 PM

Hey, when he said, "I...don't.", I screamed out, "You IDIOT!!!"

The elevator was just the best. I was crying, I was laughing so hard!

Tiger41

06-30-2004, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by MarvelCrazy
I made such a fool out of myself when I saw SM2!! When they showed Harry walking into that secret room, I grabbed my friend and whispered loudly "I KNEW IT!" and everyone laughed at me. Then when MJ said "Go get 'em tiger", I go "She finally called him tiger!" and.....I squealed. lol everyone around me scoffed and laughed. Eh.. but it was friggin worth it making a fool outta myself!! Oh and I'm a die hard X fan but SM2 beats the hell outta X2. I can't believe I said that even though I love Spidey just as much!!

lol.

She did call him Tiger in the first. Right before he saves her from the dudes in the alley with his mask off. She says, GOTTA RUN TIGER.
Although, I must admit, the GO GET'EM TIGER waz awesome.
FINALLY she knows. FINALLY he doesn't leave her hanging tearing up eachother inside.

spideyjc6

06-30-2004, 08:39 PM

Oh, one last thing...does Aunt May know????

kraztobyfan

06-30-2004, 08:42 PM

I want to see it again. I liked the music. (Even 'Raindrops')

I missed the missing arm on Dr. Conners.

My favorite funny line was when MJ sees Spidey is Peter. He is holding up a wall so that it doesn't fall on her, and he says,

"Hi! This is really heavy."

...i felt isn't it a little too early for her to find out his secret ID?

It was in Superman II that Lois found out Clark's identity, although she didn't remember it in the end.

...a character is a lot stronger when you know that he is conscious of his own actions rather than being a puppet of some inanimate object.

In a sense Norm Osborn wasn't in control of his own decisions either. He was insane because of the experiment that went wrong.

...it didn’t feel like it was necessary to have those arms with regards to the experiment...

Didn't Dr. Octavius explain that the reason for the arms was so that he could handle the experiment safely?

...unless you've got a background in Psychology, you'll find little correlation with PP's diminishing powers and the challenges he faces in his life.

On the contrary, I see exactly what was meant by his loss of powers. He was losing faith in himself. He was depressed. When you get depressed, do you feel like you are good at anything? The more you convince yourself you're worthless, the more you start to believe it, and the less able you are to accomplish anything. Depressed people are also less healthy physically, often do not eat the right foods for proper nutrition, get less exercise, have more issues with diabetes and liver, kidney, and heart problems, the list can go on. What PP needed was a swift kick in the a-- to get him going again - thank-you Doc Ock.

No, I didn't read any of the comics, but I purchased a few videos that were released in 2002 that were the old cartoons from the 70's, and contain classic 1967 episodes. My son has watched them over and over, and I know the story from them. Including that Harry is not the Hobgoblin, he is the second Green Goblin. The Hobgoblin is a guy named Jason.

The difficult thing about making movies based on novels or comics is that novels/comics are created with the intent of pleasing readers and movies are created with the intent of pleasing movie-goers. But, when novel/comic readers are also movie-goers, the challenge is greater. Speaking as a movie-goer, I think this is a great movie!

Slick Fox

06-30-2004, 08:43 PM

[it was alright the movies was not that great nor was it spectacular it was fair and X-Men 2 beat this movie by a long shot

~Make mine Marvel :) [/B][/QUOTE]

spidermanthebest

06-30-2004, 08:54 PM

OMG!!!! THAT WAS A GREAT MOVIE, REALLY WAY BETTER THAN THE FIRST AND WAY BETTER THAN ANY OTHER COMIC BOOK MOVIES, IT IS INCREDIBLE I LOVED IT!!! I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE THERE IS TO SAY CAUSE THIS MOVIE ROCKS!!!!!! ROCKS!!!! IT TOTALLY ROCKS!!!! IT IS THE BEST MOVIE I'VE SEEN, I JUST SPEND 3 HOURS IN LINE TO BUY MYSELF A TICKET AND I HAVE TO SAY IT WAS TOTALLY WORTH IT, IF ANYONE HASN'T SEEN IT YET: WHAT R U THINKINI?????? SHME ON YOU!!!!!! THIS MOVIE IS THE BEST, IT THINK I'VE SAID THAT BUT HONESTELY IT SO TOTALLY IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MJMG--QUETZALTENANGO, GUATEMALA

Devon Davies

06-30-2004, 09:08 PM

I finished seeing Spidey 2 about an hour and a half ago. I have to say: it felt like I was reading a comic book. It really came to life. But despite how good it was, I still like the first more. I don't know. It felt disconnected with the first one.

masterchief5000

06-30-2004, 09:16 PM

I have no idea how you guys can be so nit picky. There's nothing to complain about. This movie was bloody amazing for fans and nonfans alike. The best superhero flick I've ever seen (and believe me I've seen A LOT) First of, you gotta realize that there aren't going to be like 10 films, so I liked that Peter's identity has been revealed to MJ and Harry. I especially liked the end, where Spiderman finally gets one gift in life (that being MJ). Doc Ock's character was flawless, and I liked how Harry is slowly degenerating.

The raindrops sequence was hillarious. It added some humor to divert from the drama a little. Overall, the film was incredible, more than I ever expected. I liked the first one, but I LOVED this one. Congrats on the achievement, Sam & crew.

Spiderman34

06-30-2004, 09:19 PM

Well, where do I begin???
I thought that the anticipation boiling up to this movie was well worth the wait. I was shaking all the way to the theaters. Marvel really out did themselves and they did not upset. I thought the reviews for Spider-man 2 were quite accurate and this movie beats out any other comic book movie by far...however, I believe this movie beats out A LOT of other movies from different genres! Can anybody tell me what was up with Spidey's face being revealed in a lot of the scenes? I'm not sure if that was the correct move the directors wanted to go with? I mean I have no complaints but from all the talk you'd think Spider-man 3 would be with a new villian, but at this rate that might have to wait until Spider-man 4?!?! (God Willing) This was a great movie and I cannot wait to see it again soon...Peace out Spider-man fans...I'll be back!

neom3x11

06-30-2004, 09:21 PM

I loved this movie. It's seriously done so perfectly - with enough humor and serious parts - and it's a wonder how Sam Raimi got it all to fit in 2 hours. I can't wait to see it again.

Proud to be a Spiderfan

trans40

06-30-2004, 09:29 PM

Im not a huge comic fan, but I thought I read one once with a villian that was Jamesons son. He was a werewolf or something. I thought I would mention it since he was introduced in this movie. Im sorry if someone already mentioned it, I didnt read every thread word for word.

not2sure

06-30-2004, 09:30 PM

great movie,
favorite bit was when he jumps off the room and land on the cars.....then he walks off saying 'my back...'

the touch of comedy in the film was good

..for some reason i have never wanted to see a movie again so badly, but now after seeing SM2 i have to go and watch it again, DVD realese cant wait for that because i can watch it over n over n over...oh and special features would be intersting (i do live in australia so DVD might be a while, would mind some updates on the DVD)

Redarachnid

06-30-2004, 09:44 PM

Things are still all tangled up in my head and I have to re-watch parts of it and just try to gather my thoughts for analysis.

I would usually post a long critique, but quite frankly...I'm blown away.

And there's the kid part of me that says to hell with the philosophizing and all that movie talk - it was just the most awesome, brilliant fun flick I've seen in like...600 years!!!!!

Films don't have to be perfect. I would've added a little extra dialogue here and there - but it's not my film. It's Sam's and he phuking blew my mind. Why even bother nitpicking when someone serves you up something as truly wonderful as this. There's so much humor and integrity and painstaking effort and energy and love put into this film - it comes out...AMAZING.

I can get into details later, but at this moment I just want to savor what all those names in the credits have worked hard to create for us Spider-fans.

Thank you. All of you. I really hope you're reading this.

SpindelStrike

06-30-2004, 09:49 PM

Originally posted by Killya
Stan Lee gave his stamp of approval on this movie. Why can't you? umm because im not stan lee. hahaha ;)

webslingerj

06-30-2004, 09:58 PM

you should check out my thread "Where's the wisecracking spidey" from back in 2002 I think you would appreciate it. http://boards.sonypictures.com/spiderman/showthread.php?s=&threadid=71852&highlight=wheres+the+wisecracking+spidey

He was cracking wise in the bank robbery at least.

Ricer

06-30-2004, 09:58 PM

I have to agree with not2sure. I have never, once before gone to the same movie twice on Opening day. I went to see it at Midnight and just got back from the 10pm showing. This just rocked! I hope it just blows everything out of the water and grosses more money than the first. The more positives that this can do opening weekend, the more money Sony will shell out for SP3.

SpindelStrike

06-30-2004, 10:00 PM

Originally posted by drseuss90
I don’t understand how the move deviated from the comics so much. I’ve been reading the comics for several years now, and I thought the story captured the spirit of the comics. In the comics, there are several issues where there is no Spiderman, only Peter, Amazing Spiderman just put out an issue like that.
Tell me would you be wise cracking if you were going through all the turmoil in your life? I don’t think he was wise cracking in the comics either when things were going that bad for him.
As far as Doc Ock being insane…. How would they explain it in the movie? That explosion cause him to go insane. That’s not so believable. Instead they put AI in the arms that he was using. I thought it was a more realistic spin on the situation.
As far as the movie being repetitive…. You must not read the comics very much. Things are always happening to the people around him. That’s what makes the story. Even though he is Peter Parker, he is still Spiderman, and it gets those around him into so much trouble. This happened a lot in the early comics too. I mean Gwen dies, and then M.J. is kidnapped, so on and so fourth. It totally maintained the spirit of the comics. Perhaps you should be less critical and be open to a new spin on the character. Every new artist brings a new spin to the characters and the stories in the comics, why should it be any different in the movies? umm okay first off i do read the comics. and your saying you do read the comics but ask why would peter be wise cracking with everything going on so bad in his life. well first of all if you did read the comics you would know that when peter is spider-man is wise-cracking most of the time. when peter puts on the suit he becomes a whole different person and becomes somewhat more confident. and i dont believe you understood my comment about repetativness in the movie. i said that a lot of similar situations where happening that took place in first. example. burning building, the bugle naming the villian again, mj getting kidnapped, etc. i know in the comics repative stuff has happen but all thse events have been issues apart. not back to back. thats why some things that happen in comics just dont work in the movies.

SpindelStrike

06-30-2004, 10:01 PM

hey was it just me or did anyone notice peter had a backwards "2" or a "S" on his cheek? haha

Ricer

06-30-2004, 10:05 PM

Yeah I noticed that faded scare too. Man I'm glad I'm not the only one. I have to agree with what you posted earlier. Pete does wise crack a lot. And even though there is some repetition in 'emergency' scenes, I thought this movie picked 40 years of comics and did them justice in 2 hours. I was really impressed.

Redarachnid

06-30-2004, 10:10 PM

I would really like to meet Sam Raimi just so that I could give him a big hug.

Tobey and Stan too.

masterchief5000

06-30-2004, 10:31 PM

^^^ lol i wanna do that too.

webslingerj

06-30-2004, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by Redarachnid
I would really like to meet Sam Raimi just so that I could give him a big hug.

Tobey and Stan too.

Count me in. I may just hug you though if that's cool.

boyzdynasty

06-30-2004, 10:41 PM

after watching the second time...i finally saw Stan Lee.

He was pulling the lady from the falling pieces of the tower/building.

That was a quick scene.

I also notice the scar he (PP) still had on his hand from the spider bite, too.

Bloodyninjafist

06-30-2004, 11:04 PM

im just so mind blown from sam. goign from evil dead then to spider-man. No complaint at all both classics in my book.
did anyone notice mr. bruce campbell. i was thinking for a second. i wonder if anyone is goign to be liek heyyyyy wasnt he the ring anouncer in the first one! lol bruce is the man

Arachkid

07-01-2004, 12:31 AM

howheat

07-01-2004, 12:34 AM

I just saw it for the first time this evening, and I'm completely speechless, that movie blew me away.

PacoC

07-01-2004, 01:26 AM

This movie has got to be the greatest movie ever..speechless. Es una maravilla de pelicula.. It was very well done, just COMPLETE in all the extension of the word. A masterpiece. The characters, the story, the effects, the dialogue, every single detail that went into the movie was impecable. Never have I seen people stand up and applaud at a movie( the train scene)..thats how I felt too after that scene, I realized that I was watching a great film in the making, and that it deserved an applause, and so it did. The people were on the same mind track as I was, thats what this movie did and I want to congratulate everyone that worked so hard in making this movie, it was worth it, every dollar and break of sweat. Hour and hours of dedication in making this Spider Man project come true, Sam, the entire production, the cast, and Tobey, thank you for coming back and just giving it your all. Oh, and Tobey, Spider Man, it just wouldn't of been the same without you, congrats! You deserve it.. this is what great movies are all about...thank you

GambitOfDesires

07-01-2004, 01:34 AM

Howdy all, this'll be pretty random at times so I apologize in advance. To the people that didn't like what certain changes they did I have this to say. The Spider-Man movies as well as most modern movies, for better or worse, are going after a realistic sense of reality. Peter's wall-crawling ability explaination (microscopic barbs instead of biomagnetism) and change from mechanical web shooters to organic spinnerettes in his wrists shows us that. I, like most of the comic fans, gripe about Gwen not being introduced in favor of Mary Jane all the time. I honestly want them to bring in Gwen and kill off Mary Jane since they've changed that little section of Peter's lovelife (the receptionist at the Bugle's name is Betty Brant, by the by). Harry should be the Hobgoblin when he appears and not the Green Goblin for a few reasons (I've talked this over with a few die-hard fans and they agree with me). Number one: a lot of fans feel that Harry would be perfect for Hobgoblin. He's gonna be a goblin and get revenge but, with the realism they're shooting for, I think that he'll choose the Hobgoblin moniker out of respect for his father. A guy like movie Harry has too much respect for his father to steal the name that was given to him but not completely forsake the name either. Or J.J. will come up with the name, whichever comes first. On a sidenote, I like what they've done with the goblin helmet. Yes, it's a far cry from the comic's goblin mask but it makes sense in the context of the movie. It fits with the whole theme of Oscorp making a government weapon. Ask yourself this, diehard comic fans: how do you think the comic mask would look going at the speeds Norman was going? Do you think the mask would actually stay on? It stays on in the comics, yes, but comic logic and movie logic are two completely different things and sometimes comic logic in a movie can go terribly wrong. Take "Daredevil" and "X2". The Bullseye/Daredevil and Lady Deathstrike/Wolverine fights were ****py. Those people don't have superhuman agility. They're pretty average save for maybe Logan since he's had about two centuries to work out but not he would be at Spider-Man's level of agility. And yet both of those fights were as if they had the body of gods. Bullseye was tossing around pipes for organs and Daredevil was flipping around and balancing like he was Spidey's brother (especially in the bar fight). I don't think they've ever done anything like that in the comics. And in "X2", those two were leaping and flying like Mexican jumping beans. I know fights and costumes are two different things and the goblin mask would've been nice to see instead of the helmet but it honestly wouldn't have fit into the movie reality. Number two: the Gwen situation. Since the people involved with the movie feel that they can just erase her out of existance, why not make Harry the Hobgoblin? In the comics, there have been three or four and they've all been forgettable (name two of the Hobgoblins off of the top of your head, comic fans). Harry would make a better Hobgoblin than any of them. Those're all the points about that I can think of for now. What they did with Doc Ock was ok. He wasn't that great of a top baddie for Spidey in the comics. He had his own agenda and Ol' Webhead kept getting in his way. Nowhere near the viciousness that the Green Goblin or Venom dealt or the sheer determination Kraven had. They were going for a more sympathetic Octavius so it would make sense for him to be evil from an outside force than within plus, as someone stated earlier, the insanity he had in the comics wouldn't have been very believable for the movie (casual moviegoers are stupid that way). As for his "death", remember this rule: only Bucky stays dead. Peter's temporary loss in power was thought out nicely and sets up something else down the line. Since he started hating himself as Spider-Man and loss his powers, wouldn't it make sense for him to take it into the completely other direction pretty soon? Wouldn't he love being Spider-Man right now? All those people on the train boosted his ego, Mary Jane loves him as both Peter and Spider-Man, and he saves the day yet again... that's a rush if I ever felt one. Now wouldn't he love being Spider-Man so much that he would turn into a Man-Spider? It's a little far-fetched but hear me out. Since he lost his powers because he hated the spider, wouldn't love for his powers make him a spider? It'd be pretty easy to explain, they've done it in the comics and in the cartoon (but not like this obviously) so it could work. I'm not saying that it's gonna happen but it would make sense if it did. I'm a little angry that there's a high possibility that Venom won't be in part three. It's not like Sam Raimi can't handle a character like him. Raimi was practically born for a character like this. He comes from a horror movie background and Venom just screams for an opportunity like this to come along. We'll probably get a Harry-Goblin/Kraven/Black Suit Spidey next time around, though. Harry's a given but why Kraven? I see Sam Raimi as a guy with a twisted sense of humor and with the love this country has for reality TV and various animal hunter shows (save for me and the last few sane people), it'd be funny to see Spider-Man being hunted by Kraven the Hunter on a reality show (it's been done in the Ultimate universe and was pretty kule). Why Black Suit Spidey? All of us Venom fans know deep down inside that we won't see him until part four so we want as much as the little stuff taken care of as possible, right? Since the Secret Wars is out of the question thanks to the convulted segregation of the Marvel properties, we'd have to take a page from either the cartoon or the Ultimates universe with his costume. John Jameson, (who does become a werewolf, by the by), could accidentally bring back the symbiote from a space mission and it could somehow get on Spidey a la the cartoon or a scientist could be making the symbiote and it could somehow get on Spidey a la the Ultimates universe (let's forget what they did with Venom, shall we?). Either way, Spidey gets the costume, finds out that the costumes alive and trying to fuse itself with him, gets rid of it, and our pal Eddie becomes Venom just in time for the fourth movie. Spidey losing it with the costume would be perfect for the third one. He could nearly kill Harry in their final battle and find out that the costume's making him do it and get rid of it. The weakness to sound might be a bit hard to explain though... ah well. Not my problem. Comic fans have to accept a few sacrifices when their comic gets made into a movie because they have to be made for as many people as possible. Movie companies see the fans as expendable, really. They care about how much money they make, not who watches it. "Batman and Robin" proved that. That brings up another point. People complain about how different actors play the same characters but it makes perfect sense in the comic book movies. Look at the first issue of Spider-Man and look at the latest issue of Spider-Man. Are they worked on by the same people? Heck no. So why should the movies be any different? I'm not saying change the actors and director all the time. I like the actors 'cept for Kirsten Dunst but I don't like Mary Jane so I'm biased in that respect and I like Sam Raimi and want them to stay for as long as possible but when the time comes for a new Peter Parker, I won't gripe. Comic fans should be the last people to complain when a character changes actors or when a new director comes along. But. The movie becomes ****, we raise hell. In Batman's defense, the comics went campy for a while but then became dark and groovy again. "Batman Begins" is like the beginning of the Frank Miller years of Batman and should be welcomed by all the fans. Back to Spidey. Stan Lee wanted Doc Ock to be in the second movie and you can't deny The Man his wishes so that's why we have him. Spidey's wise cracks were a lot more plentiful this time around but it looks like he still has a ways to go before he becomes our Spidey. It makes sense because it took a long, long time for Spidey to be the stand-up comedian he is today. Don't compare movie Spidey to current-comic Spidey. Go back to the first few issues of Spider-Man. He was quippy but not nearly as quippy as now. That's the Spidey you want to compare movie Spidey to. And for the comic fans that loved "Spider-Man"'s continuity with characters and such but hated "Spider-Man 2"'s: the Green Goblin wasn't the first Spidey villian. Doc Ock was. Gobby didn't pop up until years later. Mary Jane and Aunt May always got into bad guy trouble. Read a few comic books before you start complaining about that. The people on the train and Doc Ock seeing Peter's face was a very moving part of the movie and I'm glad it was done. It showed the respect and love the city had for Spider-Man despite what J.J. had to say about him and it showed that Peter would do anything to save lives and prove his responsibility. The identity reveal to Mary Jane was also pretty spiffy, too. In the comics, she found out because Peter climbed into Aunt May's house as Spidey when they were living next to each other. In the first movie it looks like Peter did the Spider-Man thing after he moved so her finding out the way she did in the comics wouldn't make sense. I liked the "raindrops" sequence because it showed exactly how Peter felt being Spider-Free at that point of his life. He was in a very goofy state of bliss at that point. I'm a comic fan and thanks for reading this.

carneladiel

07-01-2004, 02:46 AM

I saw it on opening day and I have to say I loved it. The fight scenes were amazing, the drama was great and really well done. The act was wonderful. Tobey Maguire is the only actor I can ever see playing Peter Parker. He just has this quality that makes you feel bad for him and throughout the whole movie I just wanted to get up and give him a hug. James Franco was great too, he was the slowly going mad Harry and I loved that. His talent really showed through. When Harry slapped Peter, I don't know, I felt bad for Peter! I'd hate being the that situation where I can't stick up for myself without revealing my secret to him as well as others.

When Peter showed himself to all the citizens, at first I was slightly upset. Spider-man never showed himself to anybody, how could he show himself to them?! But I thought what they did was really sweet and all their reactions and now I'm glad that it was added in.

Doc Ock knowing, that was kind've dissapointing. Doc Ock never finds out and now it just seems like a trend that every major bad guy knows Spider-man's identity especially since it looks like we'll be having another Green Goblin.

I'm slightly bummed we didn't have as many of Spider-man's quips in this one, but at the sametime, the way he is it doesn't look like it would be completely out of character if in the 3rd movie he suddenly he has tons of them.

I liked that Mary Jane knew. The scenes between them were really good. I was just relieved that Peter finally admited he loved her and they end up together.

All in all I loved it. Doc Ock knowing is ruffling my feathers, but I can deal with that. It could put at interesting twist on future movies.

DavidML3

07-01-2004, 03:52 AM

Spoilers

In that the choices he made at first not wanting to become who he really is. As Clark Kent did not want to be superman only to later come back and save the city.

Also people writing in the papers "where is Spiderman" just like they wrote "where is superman" in his second film. But for an 80's film the mushyness plot was much better in Superman.

jlromang

07-01-2004, 05:47 AM

I will start to say that I like the movie, but, it wasn't exactly what I expect it.

True that the visual effects is better than the first one. There are some cool action and the music score is more vivid.

But, the drama thing, have some that are interesting, there are others that was to much for just one movie.

I would like that the explanation of loosing his power was something more convincing, I didn't like it that the problem was in his mind. He is Spiderman for the bite of a spider, not because he feel like it.

Dr.Ock is a bad guy, final, not like put him in the picture.

And the thing in the train with his mask off, that was out of question. So, couple of dozens of people see his face and nobody gonna said nothing for money? That's is more amazing that Spiderman itself.

I kind like the movie, but, that details that I mention before, didn't like it at all.

That's my two cents in the matter.

http://spiderman.sonypictures.com/bugle/photos/images/sm2_11927_thumb.jpg

boyzdynasty

07-01-2004, 05:59 AM

Did anyone catch Stan Lee's interview on the Today show this morning?

He said that PP struggles to be normal...and something about not wanting to be spiderman. And he goes to say that he deserves to marry his long time love MJ.

RayKinsella

07-01-2004, 06:01 AM

I thoroughly enjoyed the movie. I actually spoiled it for myself as I walked in to the theater before the previous showing ended, and I saw Harry discovering the Goblin's mask. Oh, well.

Like others, I'm hoping they play with the Goblin's costume to be more true to the comic. I was also hoping they would develop Dr. Connors' character a little more. I'm hoping the Lizard makes his appearance in SM3. As for bringing John Jameson in the story, it's been 30 years since we've been to the moon. If that's the extent of his character, they would have been better off just making a generic one. But if they're going to go with the Man-Wolf storyline, then it's ok.

I didn't quite understand the deal with the landlord's daughter. It just seemed like an odd piece to the film.

I enjoyed the comedy, the drama, and the action. Very good story, and I'm excited to see it again, and can't wait for the DVD.

Tiger41

07-01-2004, 07:06 AM

Originally posted by RayKinsella
I thoroughly enjoyed the movie. I actually spoiled it for myself as I walked in to the theater before the previous showing ended, and I saw Harry discovering the Goblin's mask. Oh, well.

Like others, I'm hoping they play with the Goblin's costume to be more true to the comic. I was also hoping they would develop Dr. Connors' character a little more. I'm hoping the Lizard makes his appearance in SM3. As for bringing John Jameson in the story, it's been 30 years since we've been to the moon. If that's the extent of his character, they would have been better off just making a generic one. But if they're going to go with the Man-Wolf storyline, then it's ok.

I didn't quite understand the deal with the landlord's daughter. It just seemed like an odd piece to the film.

I enjoyed the comedy, the drama, and the action. Very good story, and I'm excited to see it again, and can't wait for the DVD.

I think the part of the landlords daughter did a number of things:

First, it added to the story. SSOOOOO many little things like this added to the story. It made Peter's life... More like a real life. It wasn't just HERE'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, ACTION SCENE, JOKE... No no no, it BROUGHT us THROUGH his life.

It also showed that Peter is a good guy, he could get wimen if he wanted.

Finally it proved to him and everybody else, that his heart belonged to another woman. That despite the daughter's acts of kindness, ONLY ONE woman could COMPLETE Peter. This only proved thee IMPORTANCE of hooking it up w/MJ and NOT just KILLING eachother inside by denying themsemves what they truely want/need.

SFG

07-01-2004, 07:08 AM

I sure hope that they will make another spiderman

SFG

07-01-2004, 07:15 AM

:) I wonder who what actor would be go playing the part of the the Editor of the dail Bugle

Anthonation

07-01-2004, 08:17 AM

I come from Hong Kong and 2nd series is much more exciting and I am now expecting the 3rd series. Harry will revenge for his father

drseuss90

07-01-2004, 09:14 AM

Originally posted by lmnopotts
whooooooooooaaaa...MJ dies in the comic books? man, a lot happens in 6 years i guess...

I hear a lot about people talking about MJ dieing. I think every one is refering to MJ dieing in Amazing Spiderman volume 2. However, it was a trick there. Some guy kidnapped her and made everyone think she was dead (made her plane crash but kidnapped her before it crashed I believe). I think life goes on for a year for Peter when she is eventually freed and comes back into the comics. When she comes back, the relationship goes to hell and they seperate. Only recently are they back together (like within the last year of the current Amazing Spiderman comics). Is that the story that everyone is refering about?

webslingerj

07-01-2004, 09:20 AM

I think they should clone Spidey and then make him believe that he is a clone and the real SpiderMan is dead. Then they could bring in a clone that is having molecular destabilization and who blames Spidey (Who thinks he's really a clone). Then that nutjob clone could beat Spidey back to his senses.

And oh yeah, throw in a new love who gets killed.

Wouldn't that be an awesome story!?!!?

olderfan

07-01-2004, 09:22 AM

LOL, webslingerj.

sguy

07-01-2004, 10:16 AM

Ok. As a movie goer it was a good continuation of the story. As a comic fan...well that's something else. I enjoyed this movie just how I enjoyed the first movie. As a two hour long comic book of "What If?."

drseuss90

07-01-2004, 10:39 AM

sguy, I think that is the best way for any comic book fan to look at a comic book movie, cause they wont make it the same. They have too big of an audience to appeal to. X2 was basically the "God loves man kills" story from early in the Xmen series, but the movie wasn't exact. I remember watching an interview where Stan Lee was asked how he felt about people changing the characters that he orginally wrote. He basically responded that, his comics still exist and its always interesting to see what type of new spin is going to be put on the character next.

surfiiinsafari

07-01-2004, 10:47 AM

I think that Stan Lee made 2 cameos, I'm positive about one of them (where he pulls a kid away from falling debree) and another where his hair is jelled back and he has fake facial hair to make him look different, I'm pretty sure that's him but I forgot what part he was in....

Arachkid

07-01-2004, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by sguy
Ok. As a movie goer it was a good continuation of the story. As a comic fan...well that's something else. I enjoyed this movie just how I enjoyed the first movie. As a two hour long comic book of "What If?."
Good to see a comic fan able to make that transition. I did, but I've seen so many... "it didn't follow the comics!"... it's not the comics. If you take it in that aspect, it's fantastic.

MarvelCrazy

07-01-2004, 12:06 PM

Hmm..I didn't catch the slicked back Stan Lee a second time. Anyways, Kirsten Dunst said that after the thired film, she's done. Does that mean MJ dies in the third one?? Maybe a new love like Betty Brant or Gwen Stacey will come into Peter's life. That'd be awesome if Gwen was in the next one. Maybe just a cameo but still. I also have to comment on how much darker this one is than the first movie. Like when Doc Ock was in the hospital and the tentacles grabbed that lady and her fingernails were s****ing across the floor. It reminded me of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Plus when poor ol' Rosie's throat was cut. I felt so sorry for Doc Ock. I didn't want him to die. Hopefully they'll pull a Jean Grey on us and bring him back to life!!

spidermonkee

07-01-2004, 12:24 PM

I liked the movie, but I think he took off his mask too many times to too many people.

sguy

07-01-2004, 12:55 PM

Despite looking at it as a "What If" it really would have been cool as I said in another thread if Spidey and Ock's fight destroyed the beams holding the reactor instead of Ock being redeemed. Or Ock maybe pinned under the reactor with damaged tentacles...I just felt we were a robbed of a good conclusion to the fight unlike the first movie.

neom3x11

07-01-2004, 01:52 PM

$40.5 MILLION - BIGGEST OPENING DAY EVER OVER SPIDERMAN 1!!!!

Wow. I'm amazed. Walking out of that theater, I KNEW this movie was gonna be a huge hit.

boyzdynasty

07-01-2004, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by neom3x11
$40.5 MILLION - BIGGEST OPENING DAY EVER OVER SPIDERMAN 1!!!!

Wow. I'm amazed. Walking out of that theater, I KNEW this movie was gonna be a huge hit. Overall, I hope SM2 beats out TITANIC

http://www.imdb.com/Charts/usatopmovies.html

neom3x11

07-01-2004, 02:14 PM

oh definitely...me too...

Sammytoes4

07-01-2004, 02:47 PM

Loved it. Loved it, Loved it. I was awes.

I LOVED THE CLIFFHANGER!!

Harry, in his fathers shoes...just like in the cartoon. I'm so proud.^ ^

Starlight1534

07-01-2004, 03:03 PM

Hell yeah, this movie rocked! I was a little afraid that I'd built it up in my head to be better than it was going to be, but I didn't even scratch the surface of how great this movie was! It's the best sequel I've ever seen, rarely are they better than the first, but this...wow. I'm in awe.

I went to see it at 9:45 last night (all the others were selling out (and it was on *three* screens!), and I was surprised to see that even that late, on a weekday, the theater was packed! I had to stand in the longest line just to get inside the theater...it was literally out the door.

And I was not disappointed. I can't wait to see it again (or until I get the game/novel...anything I can lay my hands on :D ) It was funny when it needed to be, sad when it was appropriate, and soo worth the wait. I can only hope that SM3 will be worth waiting 3 years for.

carneladiel

07-01-2004, 04:11 PM

I wouldn't want to see MJ die in the third movie. Peter just got her, how could have have her taken away so soon? No, I think Kirsten Dunst saying she is done just means that she wouldn't want to do a 4th. Kind've a bummer, but 3 is still good. Better then only 2.

I liked the Stan Lee cameo. I remember keeping myself from shouting, "Look! Its Stan Lee!!":)

Starlight1534

07-01-2004, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by carneladiel
I liked the Stan Lee cameo. I remember keeping myself from shouting, "Look! Its Stan Lee!!":)
I had less reservations than you... I did shout it, :D .

spiderkrissser

07-01-2004, 04:41 PM

I'll first see the movie on the 6'th, but answer me this!

1: Does DocOc's tenticles speak to him in any way? If so how does it work in the movie, and does it seem logical?

2: We know there's a lot more webslinging. But I would really wanna know weather or not there's some cool WALL-CRAWLING in this one?

3: How many bad CGI sequences do you recall in this movie? (if any).

4: I've heard that the scene where the tenticles beat the snot out of the doctors whom are preforming the surgery on him, should be quite violent, and in some childrens eyes FRIGHTNING. True or false?

5: Is it true that the movie is both funnier and darker at the same time?

6: Is the famous train-sequence really the only exiting action scene in the whole movie? If so it's very sad...

7: And what's up with those **** choppers? Is it true that they're part of the absolute last scene in the movie?

TheAlmightyPW

07-01-2004, 06:18 PM

"1: Does DocOc's tenticles speak to him in any way? If so how does it work in the movie, and does it seem logical? "

Yes, you don't hear what they say, but they make movements/reactions, and doc ock replies to them.
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"2: We know there's a lot more webslinging. But I would really wanna know weather or not there's some cool WALL-CRAWLING in this one?"

Yes,the side of the train crawling is amazing and there is a fight with alot of crawling/hanging
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"3: How many bad CGI sequences do you recall in this movie? (if any). "

CGI is awesome much better than 1st one
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"4: I've heard that the scene where the tenticles beat the snot out of the doctors whom are preforming the surgery on him, should be quite violent, and in some childrens eyes FRIGHTNING. True or false? "

TRUE.
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"5: Is it true that the movie is both funnier and darker at the same time? "

Yes
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"6: Is the famous train-sequence really the only existing action scene in the whole movie? If so it's very sad... "

FALSE.
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"7: And what's up with those **** choppers? Is it true that they're part of the absolute last scene in the movie?"

Yes one of the final shots involves some choppers following spidey into the distance
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10_thumbs_up

07-01-2004, 06:27 PM

excellent

Spyder27

07-01-2004, 06:41 PM

wow!!I loved it!!
I liked it more than the first one!
i wanan see it again:)

sexxyspidergirl

07-01-2004, 06:46 PM

OMFG! I LOVED IT! This movie totally KILLED the first movie. I thought it was fan- FREAKIN- tastic! Alfred was sooo good! Tobey was SOOO HOT! FEEWW! I thought that the 'raindrop' sequence was REALLY funny. I was so glad to see MJ there at the end of the movie. OMG! The Harry/ Green Goblin sequence caught me totally off guard. I LOVE IT! I cried when Pete told Aunt May. I found that so very sad, but I am glad that Pete finally told her. I saw a VH1 interview, they said that 2 was going to be bigger than 1, so it was, and 3 is going to be even more bigger! I really can't wait for 3! WOOOHOO! I am off to see it again!

lordof

07-01-2004, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by spiderkrissser
3: How many bad CGI sequences do you recall in this movie? (if any).
When Spidey flings himself at Ock from the window. The shot of him flying through the air is (IMO) downright corny.

But the rest of it was just STELLAR. I was thinking today of what part of the movie shocked me the most.

(2) The doctor's fingernails driving into the floor was pretty wicked, but...

(1) When Spidey lost his webbing the first time and fell like a stone. The blood-curdling SCREAM that came out of him just scared the piss out of me.

I was almost standing up, out of my seat!

Redarachnid

07-01-2004, 07:37 PM

First of all...

Originally posted by webslingerj
Count me in. I may just hug you though if that's cool.

I'm down with that.

second of all... spiderkrissser!! Dude! You're ruining it for yourself!

third of all...drseuss thank you for pointing out the fact that MJ hasn't kicked the bucket in the comics. People...make your way down to the nearest comic book store and do your friggin research. Thank yee.

But onto more "serious" matters -

I understand where people are coming from with their negative views on Peter exposing himself to the people on the train - BUT I also don't agree with you at all. That was one of the most poignant, cool scenes in the whole film! In fact, I'm a little surprised that more people haven't picked up on the fact that the people in that subway car represent us. Sam essentially put us, the fans, in the movie. I can't really figure out a good way to articulate this cause my mind is completely shot, but if someone else feels where I am on this - speak up. But my point is, it was an awesome scene!

The film was not just an amazing, stupendous ride - it is WITHOUT QUESTION the BEST comic book film EVER made.

And unless you have read many Spider-man comic books, you can't really make a case against this fact. (Yeah...that's right...I said "fact," not opinion. Lol.)

This film has done something I've never seen before. Something that I didn't even see in vol. 1. It actually (and I think this has been said already) made me feel like I was reading the comic. -Some people have noted the "weird" pacing of the film,or the way it was cut, scene transitions etc... It was done in a way that is completely reminiscent of how your mind reads a comic book story...they actually kind of captured that weird pause when you turn the page and you don't exactly know what the next frame will contain - whose story line it's gonna cut to!! Many of the transitions were more artistic than what is usually used in film, which was perfect! The art in the opening credits was the *****! After that opening - I knew the movie was gonna rock. Also...the voice overs have worked so well in Spider-man largely because it fits the comic bk genre - the scene with Uncle Ben was fantastic. Any avid comic reader automatically recognized that nod to the hundreds of internal monologue/dream sequence moments in the books where you get right inside Peter's head and see his memories and see him talking to his demons and ghosts from the past. (Spider-man Blue, anyone?) *****ing brilliant. I'm sorry...but it was. And I can't contain the expletives because I just feel that intensely about it.

What else did I love? DOCTOR OCTOPUS!!
I'm sure I'm not alone here when I say that those tumbling, thrashing mid-air fights between Ock and Spider-man were not just totally cool but totally AMAZING TO BEHOLD! It was exactly like in the books!! Breathtaking! And it's weird - cause we, of course, never saw those fights in motion. We just filled it in...elaborated on the kick-as$ illustrations. To see them fighting on screen was the coolest thing ever. And I'm running out of adjectives.

Somebody wanna comment on any of this?

lordof

07-01-2004, 07:56 PM

What I couldn't understand was how STRONG Doc Ock was. I mean, Spidey must have clobbered him what...15...20 times? His arms must help to give him strength, cause Spidey's hitting him with all he's got! He should've broke Ock nose 10 TIMES! Not to mention his jaw, a couple of skull factures...

Even at the end, when Spidey is just WAILING on him in the water, Ock doesn't even get so much as a split lip! Or a black eye! Or nuthin'!

What gives?

galaxystar

07-01-2004, 10:12 PM

Spider-man 2 was in one word "Amazing" I totally loved the movie! I still love the first, but I have to say the second exceeded my expectations, yes I'll go see it another 10x. Go spidey go!

Tobette

07-01-2004, 10:12 PM

I have some questions but I dont know where to go and I dont want to open a new thread just for that (of course) so I hope its OK if I just post them here... please, please answers:

1. SM2 assures us that we will have at least 2 villains in the 3rd movie: Dr.Connors aka Lizard(?) and Harry Osbourne aka Hobgoblin(?) -- is that correct?

2. What was the point of the thin girl in SM2? I mean the landlord's daughter... will she figure a big part in SM3? I mean she just gave him cake & milk(shake heehee) & I dont want to think that's all she was for :\ Is there something in the comics about her?

3. Is Doc Ock dead? If not, do you think there's a possibility of him being a 3rd villain in the next movie? Coz I hope Black Cat is in the 3rd.

carneladiel

07-02-2004, 12:31 AM

Originally posted by Redarachnid
I understand where people are coming from with their negative views on Peter exposing himself to the people on the train - BUT I also don't agree with you at all. That was one of the most poignant, cool scenes in the whole film! In fact, I'm a little surprised that more people haven't picked up on the fact that the people in that subway car represent us. Sam essentially put us, the fans, in the movie. I can't really figure out a good way to articulate this cause my mind is completely shot, but if someone else feels where I am on this - speak up. But my point is, it was an awesome scene!

I loved this scene. It was showing Peter that people really do care about Spider-man and don't all think the way Jameson does. It was really touching and I'm really rather thrilled that it was put in there.

tman

07-02-2004, 01:03 AM

Well lots of complaints about "Raindrops Keep Falling on my Head". Personnaly I wonder why it did not make the soundtrack. It was perfect for how Peter felt being allowed to be himself, great. Just as originally used in "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid". By the way number 23 on AFI all time list, here is the link:

AFI top 100 US movie songs (http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/06/23/film.bestsongs.list.ap/index.html)

Wonder if it will climb the chart now. LOL

On the Superman 2 being first with giving up being a superhero first. Here is a history lesson, ASM 50 was released in July 1967. Note the 60's were prior to the 80's. As in ASM 50 Spider-man giving up his powers to get his life on track, much better than Superman doing so to get the girl. 'Nuff Said

On wisecracks, Spider-man did very well. "Itches alot, .... rides up in the crotch" classic. Along with others. Too much would have taken from the "Spider-man No More" theme. IMO balanced perfectly.

On GG 2 v Hobgoblin. In the first movie Spider-man was the only one left alive to realize GG was Norman Osborn and dead. At the end of 2 only two people would know it is not the same GG, as in the first. So should be GG in the movie.

On naming goblins:

5 Green Goblins, Norman Osborn, Harry Osborn, Bart Hamilton, and 2 created by Norman Osborn and Dr Angst not actual people.

2 Hobgoblins, Roderick Kingsley, and Jason Macendale. Both of which used the goblin formula for superstrength.

Gwen is not Black Cat, Felicia Hardy is. I still say she was in the first movie, another link:

http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/tman37t/detail?.dir=/40b8&.dnm=301b.jpg

Excellent movie, I will see again and again. Saw it twice already.:D

cymby-oat

07-02-2004, 01:37 AM

Originally posted by SpindelStrike
hey was it just me or did anyone notice peter had a backwards "2" or a "S" on his cheek? haha

It was a reversed 2 on his right cheek. Hehe nice joke. I loved that he had it for almost the entire movie. :D

Angel-Man

07-02-2004, 03:59 AM

Spider-Man 2 was all that and more. I love how Sam is using bits and pieces from the comic book. That was classic seeing the John Romita shot in the alley. You can tell he's a true Spider-Man fan. Special effects amazing and the visuals spectacular. I'm definately going back to see it. I can't wait for the next Spider-Man movie.

docf

07-02-2004, 05:17 AM

people if you want it to beat Titanic you have to see it more than once

SFG

07-02-2004, 06:00 AM

spiderman is #1

AttilaTheHun

07-02-2004, 06:34 AM

Rate: 4-4&1/2 Stars
Grade: A-

The first was better. Hands down. It seems in this one all they cared about was the personall live of Parker. However the special-effects were jaw droping. The spider-cam was 10 times has good I would have thought. Alos I thought Doc Ock was way more visually appeling than Goblin, however Gobbly was much more scarier and much more dangerous. All in all this was a great movie, but I guess it was just I went into the theater expecting the great, and gettting the good.

Cinamark Calvan

AttilaTheHun

07-02-2004, 06:39 AM

Originally posted by Spiderman34
I'm telling you all right here and right now that Spider-man 3 will pull out all the stops. Silence about what you think will happen or what you want to happen in the next flix, but I can tell you now It won't involve Harry. Gwen (black cat) will be introduce and tension will arise with Mary Jane. I also have a good feeling Venom will emerge from the shadows. I know this might be hard to do, but hey..look at what the directors fit into two hours for Spider-man 2. I was really impressed, and I know they won't disappoint come 2 years from now...holla

I disagree on the Cat thing. Parker well be married to MJ in number 3. And to keep this PG-13 and suitable for famillys they wouldn't have Parker in any way cheat on MJ.

Kai the Spider-Teen

07-02-2004, 07:11 AM

Who liked "Vindicated" by Dashboard Confessinal? "Vindicated, I am selfish, I am wrong, I am right, I swear I'm right, and I knew it all along?" Sounds like the boy's confused.

longunderwearheros

07-02-2004, 07:23 AM

I just wanted to say, I never touched a comic book in my life. Then I saw S1 and it knocked my socks off. I found out where my local comic book store was, started reading Amazing Spider-man stuff, and absolutely fell in love. Now we read the classic comic books to our three year old. Thought you longtime fans would appreciate knowing that these fantastic movies are captivating ordinary families and turning us into comic book fans!

I know people are disappointed that some favorite storylines might not make it to the big screen...but that's exactly what's driven me to read the original comics. I don't want to miss anything!

S2 is the movie of the year!!!

spiderkrissser

07-02-2004, 07:33 AM

Originally posted by TheAlmightyPW
"1: Does DocOc's tenticles speak to him in any way? If so how does it work in the movie, and does it seem logical? "

Yes, you don't hear what they say, but they make movements/reactions, and doc ock replies to them.
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"2: We know there's a lot more webslinging. But I would really wanna know weather or not there's some cool WALL-CRAWLING in this one?"

Yes,the side of the train crawling is amazing and there is a fight with alot of crawling/hanging
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"3: How many bad CGI sequences do you recall in this movie? (if any). "

CGI is awesome much better than 1st one
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"4: I've heard that the scene where the tenticles beat the snot out of the doctors whom are preforming the surgery on him, should be quite violent, and in some childrens eyes FRIGHTNING. True or false? "

TRUE.
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"5: Is it true that the movie is both funnier and darker at the same time? "

Yes
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"6: Is the famous train-sequence really the only existing action scene in the whole movie? If so it's very sad... "

FALSE.
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"7: And what's up with those **** choppers? Is it true that they're part of the absolute last scene in the movie?"

Yes one of the final shots involves some choppers following spidey into the distance
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Thank you VERY VERY much for answering my questions!:D ;)

boyzdynasty

07-02-2004, 09:14 AM

Originally posted by Kai the Spider-Teen
Who liked "Vindicated" by Dashboard Confessinal? "Vindicated, I am selfish, I am wrong, I am right, I swear I'm right, and I knew it all along?" Sounds like the boy's confused. I love that song. Totally describes the confusion and frustration of peter parker's relationship with MJ and his life as Spider-man

webslingerj

07-02-2004, 10:59 AM

Tinpan voice, Bad poetry and mediocre guitars.

SpindelStrike

07-02-2004, 11:10 AM

SpindelStrike

07-02-2004, 11:11 AM

Jason Martell

07-02-2004, 12:04 PM

I don't know how people can compare this to the empire strikes back! Spider-Man is in league all of his own, and obiwan kanobi shall bend down and kiss the bottom of spider-man's feet!

moviefan2k4

07-02-2004, 04:09 PM

Quote:"...its obvious everyone wants venom or at least something new like lizard man or mysterio, or even better a different super hero to join forces with spidey"
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Well, I like the Hobgoblin setup, and as for the possibility of help for Spidey, the filmmakers were considering Black Cat for this film, before that subplot was cut. Maybe she'll make an appearance in Part 3; who knows?

Redarachnid

07-02-2004, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by moviefan2k4
Well, I like the Hobgoblin setup...[/B]

NOT Hobgoblin. Green Goblin 2. Harry was never Hobgoblin and never will be. Different storyline - nothing to do with Harry.

sexxyspidergirl

07-02-2004, 05:00 PM

I dont know, I dont really think I would like to see Felicia in movie 3. I would like to see how things are working out with MJ and Pete. I would like to see how MJ is handling with the whole Spider- Man thing, but she looks like she is going to be very loyal to Pete. Unless he messes it up, which I think he would be a little harder now. If the second Green Goblin was not going to be in the next movie, why did they put that whole sequence into this movie? I have a slight hunch that Doc Oct is not dead, I dont know , it's a hunch, becuase he didn't look all that dead. Now wouldn't Pete be much more better off with his powers now that MJ knows and has desided to stand behind him in everything he does?

Also about him loosing his powers, I think it was his subconsciousness saying "I dont want this anymore! My life sucks! And it's these powers that are making it so bad." Before he even came to that conclusion in his conscious state of mind. So really it was his subconscious that was controlling his powers, that is why they were giving out on him when he had no idea why. But see, his feelings were so strong for MJ, that when MJ was part of the equation neither his subconscious or his conscious state of mind could get in the way, becuase his love for her was what mattered the most.That is what I think on that matter.

Spider- Man 2 ROCKS SO MUCH! I will see it about 10 more times! Tobey is so Sexxy!

Maximum-Carnage

07-02-2004, 06:25 PM

Where to start? hmmmm first off i've seen alot of whining about harry's discovery in the end of the film , but as i see it green goblin 2 could team up with the lizard and possibly 4 more villans to combine to an astonoishing total of six bad dudes think about that .that would be one sinister six (sarcastic).B4 reading on u must remember that in comic based film , to make the big bucks u have to alter a few things so it apeals to a wider audience than just the minority of psycho fanatic comic nuts (such as pete's webs being prodced naturally). Second,marvel would have to be absolutly friggin insane to not do a 4th movie if 3 does as well as 1 and 2. so during the commotion of 3 good old jjj's astronaut boy could be on a mission which has major technical difficulties crash lands in new york harbor then spidey saves everyone(that'll piss jj off)totaly gets his outfit destroyed some how ,just in time for something on the outside of the ship to hitch a ride on pete without his knowledge . then at home petey could be expressing his irritation about his tattered super jammies,when there's a knock at the door he goes to answer andfinds on the inside of his appartment a brand spankin new black costume ,and of course with as little time as spidey has, is forced to use it.Some where through all thishe could ruin eddy brock, and by the end of the movie figure out his new suit is not really all it's cracked up to be, he tosses it and at the very end guess who finds it???????Venom (and maybe carnage?)could be the subject of spidey 4 of course this is all just my opinion.

feel free to speculate with me.

MAXIMUM CARNAGE
EMAIL=Arizona_Bay2012@yahoo.com]e-mail me[/EMAIL]

Arachnophiliac

07-02-2004, 07:15 PM

Arachnophiliac's Review

Hi again all. Haven't been on in a while. Months even. First off, as an aside, I don't think Pete will be donning the "black jammies" in the immediate future. I think the next movie will either be GG2 (or Hobgoblin or whatever) or the Lizard. The Venom storyline sort of marks the place where Peter and MJ hit the snag that will lead to their separation, and I think the filmmakers will at least let them get married before that happens. And they have yet to show Brock's face (though he was mentioned, as many know, in Spidey 1).

Now, on to my review.

Defenses: Unlike some nay-sayers, I believe it is entirely possible that the movies will be modified so that Harry becomes the Hobgoblin, but knowing Raimi's devotion to the original story, it's also entirely likely that he will be the Green Goblin II. It's a question of compromising the original story to keep from being repetitive. Some things that work well in comics do not work in movies, and vice versa. Just because Harry found the Goblin's Lair does not [necessarily] mean he will don that specific mask.

I liked the Burt Bacharach "Raindrops" sequence, I thought it and the other funny moments in the movie were entirely appropriate to the Spidey comics (the early ones at least, were it was nice and light-hearted even though Peter's life was angst filled). Spidey often referenced obscure pop culture in his jokes and the fact that Raimi chose to harken back to Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kind with that sequence and the cheesy Mentos grin at the end was priceless and completely in the wall-crawling spirit.

Minor Objections: I thought the Doc Ock hospital breakout scene was a little too long and a little too "Evil Dead." It's not so much that Raimi paid homage to himself in this scene that bugs me. It's more that it seemed to break the pace of the movie. I would have understood how dangerous the good doctor was without seeing the asian woman digging her fingernails into the floor and getting dragged into the darkness. There were no other scenes like that in the movie, and it just felt out of place. I know this objection will bug some fans that like horror and don't like the "raindrops" sequence, but it's just my opinion.

Unilateral Praise: I loved the whole train sequence. Even though it was kinda campy when they carried him over their shoulders, I thought it was really good and sort of raised my hopes about people in general.

The whole movie made me feel good about life in general, and I think it's a real accomplishment fora group of filmmakers to have that effect on an audience. They took a story America loves and made it breathe with a message we all need to hear.

CuddleySpider

07-02-2004, 07:29 PM

Welp, after a hard three day wait for my theater to finally get the movie(I live in a small town)I must say im utterly speechless. The entire movie was fantastic...no....amazing...no there is no word that can describe it!

I cant wait for 3. I would prefer to see harry as the green goblin. In a sence harry as the GG would be spidey's arch enemy.

120sheep

07-02-2004, 08:03 PM

Very moving personal story. Did anyone see something strange in that scene where Peter Parker races into the fiery building as himself and rescues the little girl? She seems to lift him back up onto the halfway collapsed floor, then outside the building looks at him in a suggestive way. Might she be some sort of superhero in the future?

Ratbag

07-02-2004, 08:13 PM

Just saw Spidey 2 and it was great. The leads and the character actors are perfect for thier roles. I mean J.J. Johnson looks just like the rendering from the comics, if that's not great casting I don't know what is. All the characters you meet in the film and the bit at the end just sets this up as a franchise film with endless sequel possibities. Now for the problem Doctor Connors, now perhaps I'm a purist for the comic but shouldn't he have only one arm? There are other little continuity bits that were fantasic and other that leave a lot to be desired. What do you think? Overall I can't wait to see it again.

spiderdevil98

07-02-2004, 08:16 PM

He does only have one arm, pay attention next time you watch it.

surfiiinsafari

07-02-2004, 08:18 PM

I dont think the little girl is a superhero i think it was just to be funny

surfiiinsafari

07-02-2004, 08:20 PM

Yeah when Dr Connors is talking to Pete about being late and lazy for his class you can see that his sleve is pinned up

boyzdynasty

07-02-2004, 10:29 PM

I was actually watching Spider-Man 1 today...b/c I had nothing to do. I should have read my Bill Clinton book...but I was in the mood for spidey.

What occurred to me when watching it again...did the labs at Columbia University ever account for the missing spider? That seems to be out in the open...

JJ also mention Eddie Brock AKA Venom, which I had not notice before. (He couldn't get any good pictures of spidey.)

Also, it made me dislike Kirsten Dunst even more. I really think she is a bad actress. Sorry to the Kirsten fans. :(

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On another note, the CGI effects in SM2 was pretty bad at the part when Doc Oc kidnaps MJ. When I saw that part...Godzilla popped into mind. Not sure why but it did.:eek:

boyzdynasty

07-02-2004, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by 120sheep
Very moving personal story. Did anyone see something strange in that scene where Peter Parker races into the fiery building as himself and rescues the little girl? She seems to lift him back up onto the halfway collapsed floor, then outside the building looks at him in a suggestive way. Might she be some sort of superhero in the future? That is a nice speculation. Who knows...it could be. But it's a bit far fetch.

Though it would be funny if some odd years later they do a super hero thing of her and a flash back to that moment. ;)

KevinHeat258

07-02-2004, 10:41 PM

Now, I know that the movie kick *** in so many ways. The fights, frights, suspense, comedy and romance were all in check in my opinion. There's only one thing I've noticed about the movies that seems to distract me for some reason. Has anyone but me noticed that they seem to end each of the movies with the sight of the American flag? Not to be in any way un-patriotic, but they seem sort of "forced" into there, like they HAVE to have a shot of the American flag or the movie's ruined.

carneladiel

07-02-2004, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by Kai the Spider-Teen
Who liked "Vindicated" by Dashboard Confessinal? "Vindicated, I am selfish, I am wrong, I am right, I swear I'm right, and I knew it all along?" Sounds like the boy's confused.

I disagree, I thought it was great. It reflects Peter's thoughts perfectly. He thinks hes wrong and selfish but at the sametime he thinks hes right for not going for MJ. It makes perfect sense to me.

ILoveTobeyM._15

07-03-2004, 12:12 AM

Everyone wants to know about the "raindrops" scene and its just a **** song, the song tell you how hes free, meaning he doesnt have to be spider-man anymore. I thought it was pretty funny. And it was a good scene. The whole movie was great! So stoping whinning about the movie and enjoy it!

sguy

07-03-2004, 02:23 AM

Man I want this movie to do well but not because of reasons why Titanic did. Just my opinion...

Black Huntsman

07-03-2004, 04:31 AM

THIS FILM IS TOO GOOD FOR WORDS! THE HYPE WAN'T EVEN ENOUGH FOR HOW GOOD THIS FILM TURNED IT! IT WAS PERFECT!

By the way, was that Gwen Stacy introduced? In the apartment? Because in that case, in Spider-Man 3 the second green goblin (I am presuming this from the end of the 2nd film) can throw Gwen off the Queensboro bridge, which would be sticking to the comics although I know it was Norman who killed her. That's a long sentence. Anyway, do you think Norman will return? He does in the comics. This will also probably introduce the lizard. But, let the future take care of itself. THIS FILM ROCKS! Best I've ever seen.

P.S The game is also worth every dollar. Two words: Free roaming.

Black Huntsman

07-03-2004, 04:34 AM

By the way, why is it that EVERYBODY knows Spider-Man's identity? Doc Ock, MJ, Harry, those people on the train...good grief! Next it will be aunt may! I hope it's justified in the third film.

"Hi. This is really heavy." LOL!

boyzdynasty

07-03-2004, 06:48 AM

Originally posted by Black Huntsman
By the way, was that Gwen Stacy introduced? No, it wasn't Gwen Stacy.

Originally posted by Black Huntsman
"Hi. This is really heavy." LOL! Hilarious :D

boyzdynasty

07-03-2004, 06:50 AM

@carneladiel

what is up with your signature :D

carneladiel

07-03-2004, 09:48 AM

You don't like it? LOL, it was just a little thing I found and I put it in my sig. I thought it was funny.:D

red suit

07-03-2004, 10:28 AM

I've just seen the movie,GREAT SPECIAL
EFFECT & ACTION!2 THUMBS UP where the 2 characters against each other on the
train.That's the BEST part.Should watch it,U will never regret it.

hiyathere

07-03-2004, 11:08 AM

I saw this movie on Thursday night and it was just sooo amazingly good. I admit that I only went to see it b/c we had 2 free movie passes expiring on 6/30 so we had to buy tickets to see something or let it go to waste. I personally did not like Spiderman 1 in the sense that when I saw it (also on the 2nd day) was b/c of all the hype and I still couldn't understand why it was so good as the characters didn't move me. With that said, I couldn't remember half of what happened in Spidey 1. All I have to say is that I loved Spidey 2. And I would pay to see it again (if I have time) and I think I'm going to buy the first Spidey movie.

Kai the Spider-Teen

07-03-2004, 11:48 AM

Who likes my new signature?

Starlight1534

07-03-2004, 12:34 PM

Did anyone else notice this paradox:

Peter can't be with MJ because he's Spider-Man, and he can't be Spider-Man because he's not with MJ.

I thought that was really cool.

Kai the Spider-Teen

07-03-2004, 12:37 PM

That was weak and lame.

sexxyspidergirl

07-03-2004, 01:00 PM

First of all, I think the whole thing about the mask was more to increase suspense and the mood of the movie. When Pete turns around and MJ see's him without the mask, I gasped and then AHHHHed cuz I found it kinda romantic and to Pete it was sort of a weight lifted off of Pete's shoulders, but it was also another worry for him. Although I agree with Harry, MJ, and Doc Ock seeing Pete's face, I somewhat agree with the whole train seeing it and somewhat dont agree. I mean, wouldn't you think someone would speak up about, "Oh, I actually saw Spider-man's face!" But then it was the whole thing with every body sticking up for him (which was a bit funny in my opinion) means they are loyal fans, and loyal fans, I guess, wouldn't say anything. So thats what kinda get me in the middle.

Second, about Aunt May, I dont know, but with that Monologue that she told Pete in the middle of the movie, I kinda think she knows. That monologue was a little to specific, dont you think?

Kai the Spider-Teen

07-03-2004, 01:20 PM

Peter can't keep a good secret down. Unlike D. C.'s Comics' Static. Until Virgil's dad found out. Sorry Guides. Sort had to get off the subject there.

Spideys1girl

07-03-2004, 01:43 PM

I seriously loved this movie!! How it unfolded was so brillant. I came to the matters a while ago that harry is going to be the goblin. Its pretty cool that MJ found out the truth about Peter. Now she will know why hes always busy. The rather extremly funny part was when Peter decided to stop being Spiderman and was walking to the raindrops song lol. Peter was very exhausted in the beggining of the movie I found that it was like a mind blowing thing.I hope that the Lixard will be the villian in spidey 3 and all Harry that would be great!!

sguy

07-03-2004, 02:42 PM

All you people that don't read the comics and are figuring things out through the movie. Today is free comic book day. Pick up a Spidey book and help the industry. Be it if you like comics or not or think they are childish they are why you you were able to watch this movie to begin with. Thanks a much.:D

Kai the Spider-Teen

07-03-2004, 03:18 PM

'Kay.

boyzdynasty

07-03-2004, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by carneladiel
You don't like it? LOL, it was just a little thing I found and I put it in my sig. I thought it was funny.:D It is funny. I was cracking my *** off when I imagine Peter Parker.

boyzdynasty

07-03-2004, 04:09 PM

I'm still boggled about this scene...after watching it the second time a couple days ago...i'm still at a state of confusion.

Aunt May wacks Doc Oc in the head w/ her umbrella to help Spidey. Then he escapes with Aunt May.

Brings her to safety...
Spidey says to Aunt May:
"We sure showed him!"

Aunt May: "What do you mean we?"

Spidey: "Oh..."

And he swings off....

Did anyone get that?
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BTW: If you have SM1 special edition on DVD, there is a timeline (60s - '01) about the comic book series.

And there were some discriptions of the villians.

Kai the Spider-Teen

07-03-2004, 04:10 PM

'Kay.

Mr.Fantastic

07-03-2004, 06:26 PM

I didn't quite understand that part either but GREAT movie anyways!!! Couple of comments here..

Aunt May - kiks *** with the umbrella but appears kinda dumb with the falling thing and landing on the ledge. Also with the "free" toaster stuff.

Doctor Otto Octavius a.k.a. Doctor Octopus- best villain ever as a character and as an opponent for spidey. They make great fight scenes together.

Harry Osborn - OMG i hope that last scene doesn't mean he's going to become the Green Goblin. That would really suck. It would make a good story sure but too repetitive.

Overall awesome movie.

surfiiinsafari

07-03-2004, 06:37 PM

Dude thae part with Aunt May falling and the ledge was hella funny!!

THEUnReaL

07-03-2004, 07:06 PM

I found myself clenching my fists as spider-man tries desperatly to stop the train. One of the best movies so far, I find the matrix revolutions to be the best though.

mr.excellent

07-03-2004, 08:02 PM

I thought they did everything very nicely in the film. I WAS hoping for a little more fighting, but what they delivered was excellent. I didn't much like GG in the first movie, but it was really cool to see him in the second movie. Willem Dafoe doesn't get as much credit as he deserves, GG can be a good character. It's all about story development. The only problem I found with this movie is that it wasn't really a superhero movie as much as it was a love story. To me, it's good that they got most of the drama out of the way. Now the audience can really connect with him. So all that's left is to go out in a bang. In the third, they should have more drama than the first, but less than in the second, the comedy is fine, and the fighting is already unbelievable. We just need more of it. I'm a VERY happy fan. Way to go Sam.

furrygerman

07-03-2004, 08:33 PM

Dude, this movie rocks!!!! I think it was even better than the first one, which was awesome as well. Doc Ock was so much cooler than the green goblin, and his story kicked butt. I can't help but wonder if they'll release a Spiderman 3 because of the whole Osborn alive in Osborne thing. This movie gets 1000000 thumbs up and a couple of legs too!!!!!!!!

carneladiel

07-03-2004, 11:00 PM

Originally posted by sexxyspidergirl
Second, about Aunt May, I dont know, but with that Monologue that she told Pete in the middle of the movie, I kinda think she knows. That monologue was a little to specific, dont you think?

I know what you mean. But I liked that. In the cartoon Aunt May never liked Spidey and in this one, she does. I think she does know, or at least, suspects it. I mean, Peter runs off and then Spider-man suddenly shows up and both the voices sound somewhat similar and all.

BTW, furrygerman, they ARE making another one.

Cyclops2007

07-04-2004, 06:02 AM

In regards to the about 4 posts above this one about Aunt May and Spidey when he says "we showed them etc" well i just took "we" as in Pete Parker and Aunt May taking on obstacles together...i think thats all he meant...i didnt think there was anythign confusing about that? what you think?

SFG

07-04-2004, 06:13 AM

THE MOVIE WAS GREAT

SFG

07-04-2004, 06:18 AM

THW MOVIE WAS FANTASIC

SFG

07-04-2004, 06:23 AM

:) I wnet to signature and I still do not know how to put my spiderman 2 icons in

Kai the Spider-Teen

07-04-2004, 10:39 AM

Well It's sort of like, uh... it'd take a while to explain. And I don't have that time. Today's Independence Day. I'm going over to see family.

spidyfreak1

07-04-2004, 11:31 AM

I enjoyed this movie more than the first one. This had way more action and is very suspensful. It left me wondering what harry will do with his fathers goblin stuff. Now when they do make that third movie, i HAVE to see it. I mean come on....who doesn't like spiderman????!!!!

Redarachnid

07-04-2004, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by sexxyspidergirl
I somewhat agree with the whole train seeing it and somewhat dont agree. I mean, wouldn't you think someone would speak up about, "Oh, I actually saw Spider-man's face!" But then it was the whole thing with every body sticking up for him (which was a bit funny in my opinion) means they are loyal fans, and loyal fans, I guess, wouldn't say anything. So thats what kinda get me in the middle.

As I mentioned before - I really think that the people on the train represent us - "loyal fans." So I was really touched by the fact that, in the world of the film, they/we get to share in the secret.

Second of all - these people don't know who PP is so it's less of a threat than it is for a person like Bruce Wayne to have is face exposed while he's in his Batman garb. Everybody knows who Bruce is cause he's a public figure in Gotham, but Peter Parker is just another poor college student in New York city.

Also - those were only the people in one, max two train cars. I doubt that everyone is gonna walk from car to car from the back just to see what's going on in the front, when the train is speeding out of control. That makes no sense. If you've ever been on the NY subway you definitely know what I mean.

Originally posted by mr. excellent
The only problem I found with this movie is that it wasn't really a superhero movie as much as it was a love story. To me, it's good that they got most of the drama out of the way. In the third, they should have more drama than the first, but less than in the second, the comedy is fine, and the fighting is already unbelievable. We just need more of it.

I see what you're saying, BUT this is what has made Spider-man a unique comic book since Stan Lee first created it.

Spider-man/PP's story has never been purely about the struggles of being a hero. It's always been about the struggles of being a hero and being a human - and the two can't be separated from each other. So if it feels like a "superhero movie" was hijacked by a "love story" that's because Spider-man's life is always being hijacked by Peter Parker's life and vice versa. That stems from how the comics have been conceived for the better part of 60 "Marvelous" years.

I agree with you about the action tho - I left the theatre completely stunned by this film, yearning to see more Spidey-Ock action!

eli_S13541

07-04-2004, 12:43 PM

First of all this movie was great
but what I dont understand is why does he lose his powers when he dont need them or dont want them and like some of you said I hope that Harry isnt going to be the gg2 cause that would suck instead he should realize that his father was the gg and forgive spider-man

RustyNail

07-04-2004, 03:33 PM

ive seen the movie 3 times already....it is so awsome best comic adaption to date!!!!:D

sexxyspidergirl

07-04-2004, 03:38 PM

Redarachnid, I read you're post before, and I thought it made alot of sense. It was a very good interpritation. I was thinking about that after I wrote my post. Not a lot of people will know who he is, but he might get some publisity because he works or freelace at the Daily Bugle. But yes, barely no one knows him.

And if anyone has any questions about him loosing his powers you are welcomed to see one of my earlier posts, which has my take on why he was loosing it.

Gohanssj209

07-04-2004, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by eli_S13541
First of all this movie was great
but what I dont understand is why does he lose his powers when he dont need them or dont want them and like some of you said I hope that Harry isnt going to be the gg2 cause that would suck instead he should realize that his father was the gg and forgive spider-man

He loses his powers for a while cause his life is falling down around him, everything just went to hell, MJ was getting unfaithfull in him, harry was begining to hate him for keeping the spiderman secret from him, then the big hit when John anounced that hes getting Married to MJ, he has too much on his mind, thats how he lost his powers for a while.

DOC OCK 2

07-04-2004, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by SpindelStrike
alright, i just saw the the film last night at the midnigh showing. and i know i'm going to get flamed for this on these boards haha, but i'm sure there are others that feel the same as i do and that is this. raimi has stepped on the toes of every hardcore comic fan! EVERYTHING I FEARED THAT WOULDN'T BE IN THIS MOVIE WASN'T, AND EVERYTHING I FEARED WAS IN THIS MOVIE WAS IN IT. there are so many things i didn't like in the movie but there are also things i did like. the action was amazing, but the story is completely changed from the comics! i wasnt expecting the same story from the comics, but ill explain my dislikes and likes:

first off, i was extremly frustrated at how they changed doc ock's motive. the arms can control him?? what kinda BS is that? doc ock is suppose to be insane! not controlled by his tentecales, that is one of the stupidest things the writers and directors have done. and DAMINT why did they make doc ock die?? he is NOT suppose to die. does every villian in this movie have to die?

next, where the heck is the wise-cracking spidey we all love???!! i havent seen him in either movie. spidey's wise cracking is one of the most important parts about his characted!!! rami you idiot!! haha. without spidey wise-cracking it really isn't spidey. to me as far as im concerned this movie isn't really spider-man, its just some guy with the same powers and same name, thats the most they have in common with the real spider-man from the comics.

was it me or did the movie show more of peter out of costume then in costume? i also think that him having those moments of losing his powers was a good idea but damint they sure could have gone more into it. i mean it was happening but they never made it a big deal. it just kinda went away. but yeah this movie was nothing close to perfect. i was actaully more excited after seeing the first one then after watching the second. i know raimi is signed on for the third, but i dont want him directing the third now. he is no where near the guy that should do this movie because he is not making the movies for real spider-man fans. come on not ONCE did peter call ocatvius Doc Ock. ****it thats suppose to be his freakin name!

was it just me or was there a lot of repatative things in this movie from the first one? burning building with a baby inside (i swear for a second i thought doc ock was gonna be in the closet haha), the bugle "naming" the villian, mj getting kidnapped, the villian went after aunt may, mj and pete starting a convo. cuz peter went out to take the trash, spideys costume being torn up again at the end, and other ones i cant think of at the moment.

now things that were cool in the movie was the action. oh my gosh the action was freakkin amazing!! the battles kicked a*s!! also another cool thing that i actaully enjoyed more then the story was how the referenced dr. strange and saying that name was already taken. that was probably the best thing that came outta the story haha :cool: . well its actaulyl sad but thats all i can think of. i guess for all those people that dont read the comics and just like spider-man as a character the movie rocked, but for a comic nerd like me, it was a very big dissapointed as to what i expected.
I dont know what you are talking about who said Doc Ock died and how else are they going to get the bad guys out of the city. There is only going to be 3 movies and they arent going to make a dumb *** mistake like leaving a villian alive at the ending of a movie. Of course if there was more than three movie I would understand them leaving a bad guy alive but I are you stupid if they were to leave the villians alive at the end in a trilogy. About Spideys smart remarks I thought he did good at that you dont want him to lose his seriousness. Now I agree with you with the action it rocked!! So that was my opinion on the kick *** movie

DOC OCK 2

07-04-2004, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by MarvelCrazy
I made such a fool out of myself when I saw SM2!! When they showed Harry walking into that secret room, I grabbed my friend and whispered loudly "I KNEW IT!" and everyone laughed at me. Then when MJ said "Go get 'em tiger", I go "She finally called him tiger!" and.....I squealed. lol everyone around me scoffed and laughed. Eh.. but it was friggin worth it making a fool outta myself!! Oh and I'm a die hard X fan but SM2 beats the hell outta X2. I can't believe I said that even though I love Spidey just as much!!
Actually Mary Jane Calls petter tiger in the first movie. I just finished watching it agian and she calls him tiger when she goes to meet harry to eat (right before the upside down kiss)

DOC OCK 2

07-04-2004, 08:30 PM

Also about the whole train sequence when all those people see spidermans face. I thought (and this is this my opinion) that it would be cool for Peter Parker to bump into one of the people on the train on the street they look at him and smile and walk off (showing that they know who he is and have kept his secret)what do you think

Jason Martell

07-04-2004, 11:41 PM

wasn't it corny how aunt may caught the ledge with her cane during the scen where spidey saves her after she is kidnapped at the bank!

Jason Martell

07-04-2004, 11:43 PM

Originally posted by DOC OCK 2
Also about the whole train sequence when all those people see spidermans face. I thought (and this is this my opinion) that it would be cool for Peter Parker to bump into one of the people on the train on the street they look at him and smile and walk off (showing that they know who he is and have kept his secret)what do you think
That would be awesome. Even have someone that knows him, perhaps Aunt May!

SFG

07-05-2004, 07:18 AM

:) when spiderman 3 comes to theaters I sure hope that Harry doesnt become like his dad

Redarachnid

07-05-2004, 09:24 AM

Originally posted by SFG
:) when spiderman 3 comes to theaters I sure hope that Harry doesnt become like his dad

*laughs*

awesomeren

07-05-2004, 09:49 AM

The latest spider-man movie was just to good to be true. I couldn't believe that one movie could make my year, but this one did. It has to be the greatest movie of all time. They couldn't have picked a better cast. I'm ecstatic, I don't even need to see another movie now.

sexxyspidergirl

07-05-2004, 01:44 PM

Hey I gotta ask, for everyone who have heard the Spider- Man 2 soundtrack, I think they should have put the song "Someone to Die For" in some parts of the movie. Does any one agree?

SFG

07-05-2004, 03:29 PM

:) But if Harry ever become like his dad did I wan spiderman to save his life

MasterRegal

07-05-2004, 03:52 PM

Well I went to see it on the 4th of July. The movie was good. However, my mother also saw it and she said she was dissapointed. She told me she was hoping for more action and said there was too much lovy-dovy stuff and too much talking. I have to say, there were times when I did get bored of hearing the characters talk. I was hoping for more action. Sure the action scenes was spectacular but I think I wanted more. But anyway, I can't wait for Spider-Man 3.

Hannibal_King

07-05-2004, 04:39 PM

U want action? go see that stupid will smith movie I robot. All those "lovey dovey" scenes we're supposed to make us care about and feel for the characters. Besides, if it were all action, we wouldn't care as much for the characters because were not getting to know them as well( I'm talking about the movie not the comics, and yes i know u know them already).yeea. Thanks.

-Hannibal out

sexxyspidergirl

07-05-2004, 04:58 PM

Hannibal, I totally agree! If the Spidey movies were just fighting and violence, and just another mind paralyzing movie, it wouldn't be the movie so many Spidey fans have come to love.

MegaManMagnuM

07-05-2004, 05:18 PM

Jesus this movie was good. Definitly better than the first, but it had its faults. Too much drama. Not that I'm a laiman who can't understand the finer points of Raimi's slow scenes, but maybe toss in a little bit more action, cuz those parts were just too plentiful. Plus, although the swinging scenes were in greater quantity, and with greater variety than the first, sometimes Spidey's movements look less real and I wish that the camera made bigger sweeping motions to follow him while he swung, instead of bobbing so much as his web stretched back and forth.
**** it was good. I even liked the "raindrops" scene. I ended up chuckling at the end of it. It contributed to the Raimi's style in a good way, which is hard because the style is so bubble-gum. I respect Sam for choosing that style and remaining so faithful to his source. He could have very easily super-stylized this, made it really dark (cuz Spider-man could have easily translated into that dark genre) as he is known for, and placed the exact same label on it as every other super hero movie. Spider-man proves there is more creatvity to a category of film that is losing edge.

Tiger41

07-05-2004, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by Hannibal_King
U want action? go see that stupid will smith movie I robot. All those "lovey dovey" scenes we're supposed to make us care about and feel for the characters. Besides, if it were all action, we wouldn't care as much for the characters because were not getting to know them as well( I'm talking about the movie not the comics, and yes i know u know them already).yeea. Thanks.

-Hannibal out

Thank you Thank you! Amen! Couldn't agree more. You wanna see action and brainless violence just go see Vin Disel. You want substance, see Spiderman 2.

MegaManMagnuM

07-05-2004, 05:27 PM

I also wanted to say I agree with Hannibal. Those character developement scenes set Spider-man apart from the rest. But it's true: if you are gunna label a movie action, balance your slow parts with it. You get all pumped up with action at the beginning and are left hanging for too long. That would be ok if the end was almost pure action, but there is slow stuff there too. Just take out the scene where he confesses to Aunt May and that would be good enough for me. That scene bothered me because for someone who doesn't know the exact circumsatnces, she was pretty hard on Peter there. For all she knows, he's a wuss, so how can she be so upset that he didn't kick that guy's ***? I mean, the guy had a gun.

Astro4

07-05-2004, 05:57 PM

I liked how it was balanced. Before I saw the movie I hoped it would all be action, but once I saw it, i really liked how it was done. I really got to know Peter Parker more than I thought. It was just like reading the comics.

Redarachnid

07-05-2004, 06:17 PM

The drama-action balance, in my opinion was perfect. Maybe could've done with one more fight scene, but seriously...they did it perfectly.

If there had been too much action, we wouldn't give a sh-t about these people and their lives and the movie would suck. Raimi did such a great job with it. It ROCKED!

Maybe the extended version has more action footage! ??

MasterRegal

07-05-2004, 08:09 PM

Next time read my post more carefully, I did not say I do not like the movie. I too thought it was better than the first, character development is great, all I said, was sometimes, I felt tired.

Tati79

07-06-2004, 09:45 AM

I think the only thing I didn't like was MJ treating Peter so bad lol...she pissed me off, but i guess she was giving him a tough time to put pressure on him so he would react. I loved it, I am dying to see it again, if only I had more money

Kal-EL Kent

07-06-2004, 11:50 AM

OMG that was one hell of a good movie. It was way better than the first One, Don't get me wrong the first one was great . But the second one was Amaznig. I was On the edge of my seat thought the whole movie. I loved the villian Doc Ock was cool very cool. But what I like the most was that Aunt May & Mary Jane both know that Peter Parker & Spider-Man are one and the same.Also I loved the elevator scene & The I'm Back scene where he runs & jumps into the air screaming "I'm Back !!!!!!!!! & then he falls down into the ally & says "My Back" & the train scene was amazing!!!!!! Plus I pretty sure that Spidey 3 pete & MJ are going to get married now that she know. I can't wait for Spider-Man 3 !!!!!!!!!! I give
Spidey 2 10/10 This by far is going to be the best Summer movie of the Year 2004 !!!!!!!!

spideyanne

07-06-2004, 12:01 PM

This, by far, in my opinion, was much better than SM1. Of course, in the first movie, they had to develop the characters, etc....but, this story line was great! I didn't want it to end. Tobey Maguire! Hot! Can't wait to see SM3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bczar01

07-06-2004, 12:32 PM

Spidy 2 is a well told story. The set-up's and pay-off's turn full circle. It's great that MJ is becoming successful; it makes her a better catch. We can only hope that Parker will one day enjoy materialism (and a little more class). It's nice to see weakness in our hero. For Spiderman to be effected by what happens in Peter Parkers life makes him more human and believable. He hurt his knee and has physical limitations as well. What better way to feel for a character.

Too bad Spidy doesn't have your standard run of the mill neurolizer. It would have come in handy on the train.

And Harry! Can a guy be more obsessive? However, instead of spelling out his villain it would have been better left a mystery. We saw him mauling over spidy pictures; why not show him putting a knife between the eyes of a Peter Parker photo and have the Goblin laughter voice over. This would have caused more speculation.

The hospital scene and the many screams gave it a horror film overtone. This was unexpected and unnecessary for the superhero/action film genre.

Can anyone explain the purpose of the "eating chocolate cake w/ the landlord’s daughter" scene? It did not seem to advance the story at all.

Is this another character introduction for a future film? Is it an attempt to throw us off track with regard to Parker's love interests? Is it because he confessed and now deserves cake and milk?

Jedi Wanobi

07-06-2004, 01:55 PM

So what is up with Parker's aunt?? Does she know he's Spiderman? I'm convinced she knows, especially when she starts talking to him about how people need a hero and all and that there is a hero in all of us. She may not have come right out and said it, but I won't be surprise if we learn in another Spiderman movie that she knows. I'm reminded of Spiderman 1: "Everybody else knows!" He also makes a comment about his comics and questions where they are. She tell him she got rid of them. I think she may have found his designs of the spider suit from the first movie.

Also, it would make sense why she is so upset with him when she finally learns the truth about Uncle Ben's death and why it was his fault. Peter Parker may not have been able to do anything, but Spiderman could have.

Tati79

07-06-2004, 02:01 PM

Does Aunt May know he is spiderman? I am not so sure about that. Maybe she suspects, but does she know for sure? how come she hasn't said anything? Well I guess we'll see in SP3

howheat

07-06-2004, 02:06 PM

Aunt May certainly did hint that she knew Peter was Spider-Man. On that note, so did Robbie. Ock, MJ and Harry all found out for sure...not to mention everyone on the train.

"With great responsibility comes not so much secrecy" ;)

Tati79

07-06-2004, 02:26 PM

ya i know that, and I could tell Robbie knew but I am not sure about Aunt may. When did she find out? cuz she was still talking **** about Spidey at the beginning of the movie. I just wonder....

spider sense 15

07-06-2004, 03:29 PM

i agree with u jedi wanobi about aunt may

parkerandmj

07-06-2004, 05:04 PM

is it true that parker and mj get togeather and they split up because shes pregnet

Kal-EL Kent

07-06-2004, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by Tati79
but I am not sure about Aunt may. When did she find out? cuz she was still talking **** about Spidey at the beginning of the movie. I just wonder....

Aunt May wasn't mad at Spidey after he risk his life to save her from Doc Ock.I'm betting she knows it peter after he said "We sure Showed Him" And Aunt May says what do you mean. Beside She knows that peter is the one who takes picture of spider-man. And some off those pictuer are in the air so!!!!!!!!;)

Kal-EL Kent

07-06-2004, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by parkerandmj
is it true that parker and mj get togeather and they split up because shes pregnet

Pete & MJ do get married in the comics, No MJ doesn't leave pete because of that, She lives pete for a while because she couldn't deal with being Spidey's wife. So she left NYC to get away.After sometime she came back to NYC because she realized again that she couldn't live without Peter.

spiderlou5592

07-06-2004, 05:44 PM

Two things:

1. When in the movie was there a Spider-Cam sequence? I didn't notice it.

2. Does Aunt May suspect Peter is Spider-Man? I mean, there's that whole "he needs a hero like Spider-Man...blah blah blah...hero in all of us" scene, and she's looking at Peter with this mildly suspicious look.

***NOTE: I'm not saying that scene is **** with all the "blah blah blahs", I just don't want to recite it all.***

Tati79

07-06-2004, 05:52 PM

ya I know that she suspects he is spidey but is she sure of it? I don't think she is 100% sure he is Spiderman but probably suspects and is going to try to find out. I know also that she isn't mad at Spidey after he rescues her, but at the beginning she was. Oh well...I have to see it again lol

Arachkid

07-06-2004, 06:38 PM

She's just rambling on. She don't know squat. :P
And I don't recall a specific "Spider-cam" moment, no...

Redarachnid

07-06-2004, 10:58 PM

Originally posted by spiderlou5592

2. Does Aunt May suspect Peter is Spider-Man?

You can tell they purposely want to keep us guessing on that one. She seemed to be coaxing the Spider-man part of Peter back to the fight...as if she knew BUT - then did you notice that she asked Peter to move a desk into the garage and told him "don't strain yourself"

That's not something you would say to someone you knew was Spider-man.

Sam and co are trying to mess with our heads. I bet if they read all of our endless speculation they'd get a good laugh out of the pure pleasure of torturing us.

wild_child

07-07-2004, 06:20 AM

spiderlou5592

07-07-2004, 06:49 AM

Originally posted by howheat
Aunt May certainly did hint that she knew Peter was Spider-Man. On that note, so did Robbie. Ock, MJ and Harry all found out for sure...not to mention everyone on the train.

When does Robbie hint he knows? Hey, Astro4 how did you insert that picture into your signature?? Please reply!

spiderlou5592

07-07-2004, 06:54 AM

What was with the "stage dive" scene on the train?? Were the extras on the train obsessed with touching the authentic costume? I mean, just put him down!

LethalLizard

07-07-2004, 07:03 AM

Originally posted by spiderlou5592
What was with the "stage dive" scene on the train?? Were the extras on the train obsessed with touching the authentic costume? I mean, just put him down!

It kind of looked like Raimi was going for some Christ-like imagery in that scene, sort of like in the paintings of Jesus' decent from the cross.

I could be wrong, but that was the impression I got.

Night Blade

07-07-2004, 07:35 AM

all of the movie was awswome to me.:cool:

americndreamr

07-07-2004, 09:58 AM

I LOVED THIS MOVIE! My favorite part has to be when MJ skips her wedding, goes to Peter's apartment and gives this speech to Peter about how she can chose who she wants to be with and then says, "Don't you have anything to say?" and he says "Thank you, Mary Jane Watson."
I totally loved the "Raindrops" sequence! It was hilarious! I am so glad they kept Tobey as Spidey and didn't go with Jake Gylenhaal. It wouldn't have been the same, though I'm sure Jake would have been good in the part. I laughed so hard at the part when he hurt his back!
And the train part, when he's so exhausted that he faints, and then everyone starts bringing him in...I thought that he totally deserved it, and he needs to be known to at least some people or he wouldn't have the heart to go on. You can only do so many good deed without recognition before you break, and he was at the breaking point.
Also, I wanted MJ to find out about Peter bcuz it's so obvious that thier in love. And everyone knew Harry would find out from the previews. Good setup for the next Goblin or Hobgoblin...whatever you call him.
And what about that little Chinese woman with the violin who sings
"Spider-man"? I thought it was kinda funny.
And for anyone who doesn't know...Aunt May is now the only important person in Peter's life, along with J. Jonah Jameson, that doesn't know...and Jameson would probably fire Pete if he did know.
I also do think that she suspects. The monolouge Aunt May was a little specific, and in the bank, when Peter runs off and Spidey appears? and Spidey sounds like Peter? Aunt May just has to put two and two together to figure it out.

americndreamr

07-07-2004, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by Kal-EL Kent
OMG that was one hell of a good movie. It was way better than the first One, Don't get me wrong the first one was great . But the second one was Amaznig. I was On the edge of my seat thought the whole movie. I loved the villian Doc Ock was cool very cool. But what I like the most was that Aunt May & Mary Jane both know that Peter Parker & Spider-Man are one and the same.Also I loved the elevator scene & The I'm Back scene where he runs & jumps into the air screaming "I'm Back !!!!!!!!! & then he falls down into the ally & says "My Back" & the train scene was amazing!!!!!! Plus I pretty sure that Spidey 3 pete & MJ are going to get married now that she know. I can't wait for Spider-Man 3 !!!!!!!!!! I give
Spidey 2 10/10 This by far is going to be the best Summer movie of the Year 2004 !!!!!!!!

One thing...S3 had better start with a wedding and Peter better be late!

imjustlittle

07-07-2004, 10:36 AM

I LOVED IT!! My boyfriend and I went to the midnight showing and when it was over we couldn't even get out of our chairs!! We were all sweaty from the adrenaline pumping the whole time!! It was SOOOO good!! At first I thought it totally kicked the first ones' butt... but I've been thinking about that. I watched #1 again, and it seems to have a little more developed plot, and more humor. Although I have to say I just about died during the elevator scene!!!! "nice Spidey outfit." That was SOOO funny!!!! I need to go watch it again!! I've got to see #2 at least once more before I can make a fair comparison. Regardless, one thing is sure... it TOTALLY rocked!!!!!

imjustlittle

07-07-2004, 10:39 AM

OOooooh one thing I almost forgot!! Doc Ock is the ULTIMATE villain!! He is a genuinely good guy who is losing a battle to the powers that are taking him over. His last words: "I will not die a monster!" Yeah baby!!!

venarge_spidey1122

07-07-2004, 11:38 AM

I am kind of confused, in the end of spider-man 2 when harry finds the flight suit and glider and pumpking bombs and stuff in the secret room is that the equipment norman had from the last one, but the suit can't be the same because it got damaged from the glider getting empaled into him in the first one so did he have a second set of stuff hidden in his house or something or did Peter put it there after he died????

DragonFalconX6

07-07-2004, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by LadyEowynKenobi
just saw spiderman. all i can say is wow, you have got to see this film. i'm not saying everything is perfect but it is worth the wait -- and the hype. you can really see that the writing team made a conscious effort to bring a better story than the first, and its evident in the character developments pieces scattered throughout the film. there was Harry Osborn's conflict, MJ's decision in choosing which man she would stand by and of course Peter Parkers decisions and his relationships to the people in his life (MJ, Aunt May, the citizens of NY). although there are more than enough times where this film made me go "huh?", its still a good balance of slam-bang action and good story/ character development. i'm not sure to say that this film is better than the first (i'll need at least another viewing to figure that out), but it certainly equals its predecessor.

as always i have my comments, on the scenes that has affected me-- making me either go "wow!" or "huh?!"

~ Peter Parker- MJ Watson relationship-- ok yeah sure its sweet and it certainly keeps up the momentum they had going in the first film, but in the end where MJ finds out Spiderman = Peter Parker, it did made me go "huh?" it didn't go down too well with me because firstly, i felt isn't it a little too early for her to find out his secret ID? and secondly, this is just the 2nd film, now that the secrets out, what will sustain the suspense between these two come Spidey 3? if the films are a fast forward version of key events in the comic books, then does that mean that MJ will meet her fate sooner than any of us expect?

~ Citizens seeing Spidey's face-- pretty much the same feeling as PP-MJ relationship. it makes me feel really queasy that so many people has seen his face. sure some may argue that they don’t know his name, but geez what would happen when they bump into him on the street or see him in some party or anywhere where a lot of people congregate (like a crime scene or a fire) and sees him in the area? after all he is a photographer, that mug of his is bound to go places, like it or not. also, what on earth will assure him that all of those train folk won't talk?

~ Dr Octopus-- first off, i gotta say this: Alfred Molina rocks! he looks so perfect for this part, its like the comic/ animated version come to life (albeit with better hairstyle). he gave a great performance that does do this role justice.

if there is something about it that i didn’t like was that the fact that the artificial intelligence (AI) in the robotic arms were the ones responsible for the Doc goin over to the dark side; that they were controlling his mind and that DO wasn’t really making those decisions. it takes the edge out of the character, and unfortunately some of the bite out of AM performance, because you end up comparing him to Wil Defoe's GG, and well a character is a lot stronger when you know that he is conscious of his own actions rather than being a puppet of some inanimate object.

i also couldn’t quite follow the relationship of the Fission science with the robotic arms. it didn’t feel like it was necessary to have those arms with regards to the experiment-- the fission project looks more like it should've been done with those huge robotic arms they use when they assemble cars and in a secured area (think nuclear lab) than an office building with spectators. so i guess that the flaw in the story development.

~ Harry Osborn-- this guy's character development is going really well, so much so that when he finally steps up to the plate and truly be his father's son, it is expected that we will get a deeper, perhaps more wretched and more complicated GG than the first one-- quite a task, knowing that Defoe gave such a great performance as GG1. i'm hoping that James Franco can deliver the goods on what could be the best villain yet (judging that we're spending so much time on developing the character) because, dude, those are pretty big shoes to fill.

~ Peter Parker- Harry Osborn-- oh boy, the next film will be mighty complicated with regards to this two. they start out as best friends then as rival suitors then what could become the most bitter enemies since Batman and Joker. i do find it ironic that HO found out that PP is Spiderman and that PP couldn’t explain things fully (unlike what he was able to do for MJ and Aunt May). so far, this is the most curious-- and the most interesting aspect of the story for the next film

~ cameos -- got to see Stan Lee! as usual its a blink-and-you'll-miss it scene. and also Bruce Campbell, funny guy :D, i'm hoping he'll be in the third film

~ Psychosomatic Spidey?-- i'm not quite sure what the heck is going on with regards to PP losing his Spidey powers other than some kind of psychological episode. and unless you've got a background in Psychology, you'll find little correlation with PP's diminishing powers and the challenges he faces in his life. its like the story spells it out but your alone in pulling all those clues together to figure out what’s happening to Spidey.

speaking of challenges in his life, if you think PP is a looser in the first film, this film still defines him as one but with an exclamation point. geez you'll really feel sorry for this guy. makes you kinda wish that people would start paying for Spidey's services :D

overall as i've said at the start it is a great film, and is certainly worth the money, but its not without flaws. and by some strange reason Spidey 2 feels like its the last film of the franchise, just because so many people know Spiderman's ID, whether by just seeing his face or realizing who he is. but this film does have a good send off to the third film with Harry finding the truth about GG and MJ now starting to live her curse of worrying for PP day in day out.

*** to the Mods, my sincerest apologies if there is a thread/ forum where we can post our reviews but currently i am not seeing one thus i hope i am free to post my review as a separate thread in thsi forum. if you do plan to create a thread/ forum specifically for reviews, please do move/ merge my thread to the proper place. thanks!

I agree with pretty much everything you said. I do have some comments to add pertaining to the movie.

- All right. Well, Spidey's kicking Doc Ock's ***. He's punching him in the face and head-butting him. ...Spidey's got the super-strength. Doc Ock is nothing without his tentacles... wouldn't he shed some blood and have at least some bruises? Yeah yeah... it's a movie... but one of the goals in movie-making is to make it as realistic as possible.

- MJ looked drugged, stoned, and dead tired. What the hell? She was more animated in the first movie but her hair seemed fake. I liked her hair in the 2nd one, made it more natural.

- They should make Spider Man make more wise-cracks!!! I've been wanting him to crack a lot of jokes through-out the movie!!! The only one I recall and which stands out would be when he's fighting Doc Ock at the bank. "Here's your change!"

- Too much screaming... I thought it was unnecessary... however... I suppose it fits into the movie.

- I thought they exposed his indentity too fast. Peter had other girls in his life. Gwen Stacy, supposedly Debra Whitman. And some other chicks. Now that MJ knows... what are they going to do next? Have Peter cheat on her?

- 2 possibilities for villians in the 3rd movie. Lizard and Green Gobby. I don't think they'd include venom because we'd need a whole movie where Spidey has to obtain the symbiote suit.

- I'm glad that they're taking a different approach from the comics. 1: because... You'd have to expect something else.
2: If they made GG come back (Harry) it'd make GG the worst villian to Spider Man. It'd be Peter's best friend, Harry happens to know a lot about him. AND Spidey wouldn't want to hurt his best friend! -shrugs-

Oh. This has nothing to do with the movie... but they better not give Rhino is own movie in Spider Man.

I think the graphics in the first movie looked more realistic than the 2nd movie. You could tell it was graphics in the 2nd movie. Howeverm I thought it was great they added more webslinging in it and more fighting.

- Green Gobby is supposed to be the most notorious, infamous villian in the Spidey story. Yet... the first movie made him not that great. I had a bigger impact with Doc Ock! Not that it was bad... but should've made GG a bigger foe. That Dafoe.

I suppose that's all I have to say. Later.