Venom Will Not Be In Spider-Man 3!( Possible Spoilers)

[spidey66062]

It would just be stupid to bring in Venom right now, to much stuff is already happening! I know we all want Venom in the third movie but it just wouldn't work. If Sam brought Venom into the Spider-Man movies he'd have to introduce Eddie Brock, send John Jameson back up to space, and what about Carnage?

For me, they'd have to just cram everything into one movie, and I wouldn't enjoy that. Harry is probably going to be the main villian in Spider-Man 3, and dissapointing to friends...not Venom.

But, don't just listen to me, let's start an arguement. What are some Pro's and Con's to having Venom be the villian in Spider-Man 3? Maybe you could even change my mind about all this.

[mre]

(some spoilers are included in here...)

con: that big set up for harry osborn would be a complete tease.
con: story wouldnt be great, too much crammed into one.
con: venom is a no story, all action type character. and what was it that made spider-man 2 so great? amazing story, and right amount of action.
con: everyone wants to see venom (almost everyone) once they see venom, what villian will top him? after spider-man fights his most lethal foe, who would he fight afterwards, to keep fans interested? thier is only one answer. carnage. but carnage is pretty much an exact duplicate of venom. no great story there either. plus, what villian after carnage? it just wouldnt work, if they had venom in number 3, the franchise would never make it past 4 movies, and the fourth one would be a flop.

pro: i geuss venom would look kinda cool on the big screen. sadly, he'd just look cool, and thats all. all venom is is a guy who no one can imagine in real life, who hates spider-man because he blames him for ruining his carreer when it was his fault and his fault only. when the new york times (or wichever paper it was), a couple years ago i dunno if anyone remembers this but it was all over the news, had that guy who wrote that story that turned out to be false, and he was fired. did he blame whoever turned him in for ruining his life? no. what happened to eddie brock just doesnt make any sense. his hatred for spider-man just isnt justified. not even in the 90's cartoon version of spider-man.

plus the thing im loving about the spider-man movies, is that its about peter parkers life. its not about a double life. it doesnt have two stars, it has one star. once venom is introduced you have a character that has nothing to do with peter parker, and nothing that can help peter learn anything, or grow as a character. hes just a character to fight spider-man. that means less MJ, less aunt may, less JJJ.

who do i want to see in an upcoming spider-man movie?
scorpion.
or hobgoblin. and it doesnt even have to be harry, thats the thing. they could surprize us. make us think it is harry. yes harry found out that peter is spider-man, he knows his father is the green goblin, he knows he wants to avenge his fathers death, but what if he hired someone to kill spider-man. what if harry created the hobgoblin?

[spidey66062]

Wow, you really thought about all this didn't you. Ha-Ha,

I must say I agree with you...but there's only one thing I can't take your side on: The Villian for the next movie. I think it should be the Lizard AND Harry as the Green Goblin. They've already kind of set up the Lizard thing by introducing Doctor Connor's and kind of toying with us.

[MarvelCrazy]

I think it'd be awesome if they had two villians in one movie. Cause that's how it really is in the comics. More than one villian at a time. If they really work at it on the third movie, it won't come out all complicated

[Xeroxed]

Maybe the symbiote is already on the planet cause if you remember in the film , he said James was the first person to play football on the moon...so maybe...maybe not venom will be in the 3rd one.

[DarcMind]

i dont think that spiderman should have 2 villians to deal with bcuz he can harldy handle one without getting torn up. Venom and the Lizard would probably kill him without even breaking a sweat. but it would be cool to see spidey take on both of them at the same time

[spidey66062]

The Lizard and Venom...big no no.

But with someone like Harry, who isn't a good fighter or doesn't know anything about the weapons. And The Lizard isn't to great either. You've got to remember, Spidey's been doing this stuff for three years already in the movie. And The Lizard and Green Goblin aren't really like scary strong. So I think that Spidey could easily take on The Lizard and Green Goblin.

[Maxamoose_S7537]

Have you guy's read the comics?Harry
was great villain,he drove peter insane!And by the end they were equally matched.If the third film is anything like harry's last issue it will be a real emotional film!Venom is not going to happen,at least not till 4.Lizard might be in the next one though.

[spidey66062]

Thanks for agreeing with me!

[Starlight1534]

There are so many possiblities for the next movie, it's hard to predict who will be the next villian. They really left a lot open, but I definately think Harry will play an important role in the next one - whether he's the villian himself, or not.

[spidey66062]

I think Harry and Peter should talk things out. The only part in Spider-Man I didn't like was when Harry found out that Peter was Spider-Man and then he just ran off. I thought they'd duke it out or something.

I think Harry and Peter will interact a lot more in the third movie...or atleast I hope so.

[webslingerj]

Originally posted by mre

con: everyone wants to see venom (almost everyone) once they see venom, what villian will top him? after spider-man fights his most lethal foe, who would he fight afterwards, to keep fans interested? thier is only one answer. carnage. but carnage is pretty much an exact duplicate of venom. no great story there either. plus, what villian after carnage? it just wouldnt work, if they had venom in number 3, the franchise would never make it past 4 movies, and the fourth one would be a flop.

Dubious logic there. Are you saying that after Spidey fights his most lethal foe there will be no one interesting for him to fight? That is a non sequitur. What does one have to do with the other.

What ever happened to good story telling? Carnage was one of the worst story arcs in the Spider-Man comics. Venom as you said only hates Spidey there is not much else to him. But there is definitely a story in Eddie's jealousness and insanity.

[mscot]

Todd McFarlane had the right idea. The Lizard is a killing machine.

The Lizard would be a great villain, especially if Raimi makes him scary and hideous. Instead of Calypso, use Harry, whether he's Hobgoblin or Green Goblin, as the Lizard's master. I would like to see a darker movie (not more violent necessarily to keep pg-13 rating).

Wouldn't it be great to see Peter Parker come back to the apartment to Mary Jane all bloodied up?

Lizard needs to be a murdering monster, and Parker should struggle with the decision about whether or not to destroy Connors or try to reunite Connors with his family.

You could do a lot with the Lizard and Harry also. Harry wouldn't even have to reveal himself. He could always pretend to still be Parker's friend and just lead the Lizard behind the scenes. Then at the end, Harry can reveal himself as the new Hobgoblin/Green Goblin. Have a long dramatic fight sceene between him and Spiderman. Maybe even have the Lizard finally turn against Harry at the end. Lots of potential.

[sixers0408]

venom should be in the 4th film if they ever get that far.

[dolphinman909]

they should put venom in spider-man 3. venom is the one of the coolest villans besides carnage. spider-man 3 would rock if it had venom

[ntbone]

I don't see any possible way that Venom could be in Spider-Man 3. Here are my reasons:

1.) They've already set up for Harry to assume the Green Goblin, or Hobgoblin... whatever.

2.) The story would take too long to set up, and there would be no plot. The whole movie would be Eddie Brock becoming Venom and not enough time setting up a story line (like Doc Ock trying to rebuild his machine, etc.).

3.) And finally... well, two's enough.

I would love more than anything to see Venom in the next film, but at this time I don't see how they could pull it off.

[Oscorp_Founder]

Raimi already said that he doesn't want to do Venom, he wants to do the classic villians first.

[webslingerj]

I just love it how everyone jumps on the notion that "There is no way you could have Venom. The story would take too long"

take a gander at Episodes 1-3 of Star Wars. Are they anything more than a setup for Vader? Ok so there are a lot of other stories going on. Who says the Venom has to be the main character of the story that includes his origin?

Anyway, argueing that point is academic because, as was said, Raimi does not want to do Venom.

He wants to kill off all the classic villains

[spidey66062]

I believe Venom should get his own movie. He is a fan favorite...and would draw a lot of people to see the movie. That way, the Venom movie could be like a prequel to say a Spider-Man 4 that features Venom as the villian? Does anyone agree with this...? I'm thinking of writing a Spider-Man 3 and 4. If you'd like to hear the idea's just ask.

[Oscorp_Founder]

I believe New Line owns the rights to Venom anyway. So Sony could not use him.

[marvar]

whats up with the punisher? does anybody thing of him as a opponent for spiderman?
i would think it would be cool

[spidey66062]

I'd love to see The Punisher in a Spider-Man movie...but I don't believe it will happen. :(

[Arachkid]

Originally posted by webslingerj
He wants to kill off all the classic villains
Granted, this is the movies, not the comics, but I still say neither villain is proven dead yet. Norman recovered from the glider incision, and Ock could easily have been brought to safety by his tentacles.

[Arachkid]

Originally posted by Oscorp_Founder
I believe New Line owns the rights to Venom anyway. So Sony could not use him.
From Comics2Film.com:
Reported by Corona Coming Attractions, 9/15/2000:
Corona Coming Attractions continued their investigation into the status of the Venom movie. In considering the question of whether or not it would be possible for Eddie Brock, Venom's alter-ego, to make an appearance in the Spider-Man movie, CCA learned that the option on the character was no longer held by New Line Cinema. Further investigation by CCA has revealed that the rights for a Venom feature have reverted to Marvel. Marvel has not since sold the option to another filmmaker or studio.

So, there you have it. Marvel currently has the rights as far as that website at least is concerned, even though the article is old.

This doesn't change my opinion that Venom shouldn't be in a Spidey flick. Too much setup for too little final product. My opinion of course...

[Mardilpdx]

I think some of you started down the right path and then went in the wrong direction, while others have just totally missed the signs.

It's a given that Harry will be the Green Goblin in the next film. Or the big setup was for nothing. We need to remember right now Raimi and cast is planning for three movies (That doesn't mean there won't be more). So with the third film they need to wrap some things up.

We have seen in the first 2 films Spidey have his hands full with two big challenges at once. The first being a villian and the second being a life issue. The first one was him learning to be Spiderman. The second one is him finally accepting being Spiderman. Now for the third film he builds on this. Maybe his relationship with Connors grows. Maybe something else. But a life issue won't play a big part in the third film. Rather we need another villian. And you have probably assumed something that you shouldn't. That being Doc Ock is dead.
All you saw was him floating to the bottom of the river. The river ain't that deep, he ain't to far off shore, and the human brain can go up to 7 to 8 minutes with out oxygen before any brain damage will occur. So it ain't to far of reach that his mechincal arms drag him to shore and revive him.
When he wakes up he is more bent on destroying Spiderman than before and he eventual teams up with the Green Goblin to try and take Spidey out.
And that folks will be the premise of the third film, thus bring the story arc to completion.

[spidey66062]

*Clap* *Clap* Nice one

[Arachkid]

Originally posted by Mardilpdx
And you have probably assumed something that you shouldn't. That being Doc Ock is dead.
All you saw was him floating to the bottom of the river. The river ain't that deep, he ain't to far off shore, and the human brain can go up to 7 to 8 minutes with out oxygen before any brain damage will occur.
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"Sure, Otto, sure."

[webslingerj]

Originally posted by Arachkid

This doesn't change my opinion that Venom shouldn't be in a Spidey flick. Too much setup for too little final product. My opinion of course...

You know what they say about those pesky opinoins ;)

[VirShort]

ok...before stating my opinion, i would like to clear somthing up...before the alien symbiote takes control of eddie brock, it joins with peter parker (remember that cool black suit he wore, and never really had to put it on because it was attached.) that is a whole other altercation that he has with himself and the alien symbiote. which is why i think he should wear the symbiote in the third movie to introduce it into the plot which should go a little something like this: Spider-Man could encounter the symbiote at the space headquarters where it has ben hiding since Jameson's son got back from space. Harry could become the hobgoblin, but ends up joining with the lizard and the scorpion and uses them to get spider-man, and since he is wearing the symbiote it won't be as hard as it would be to take on those two if he were fighting alone. The hobgoblin himself wouldn't have to fight spider-man until the fourth movie. but, to make things interesting, say peter meets these two people at school, a boy and a girl whom are roommates and are looking for one more roommate, to cut the costs of their three bedroom apartment. Cut costs low enough that it's cheaper for peter to live with them than alone. Plus, he's making two new friends...and i think you should know where i'm going with this. his new friends/roommates names are Angelica Jones and Bobby Drake, or as most know them, Firestar and Iceman. Bringing in the amazing friends would add a whole new element to the movie. seeing firestar on-screen minus the orange spandex, plus som black leather shorts, top, and dominatrix boots, and covered in flames (think the girl from hellboy, but orange and yellow flames instead of blue flames. and seeing iceman covered from head to toe in ice, just like in the comic but with frozen hair not bald (i'd feel sorry for the guy who would have to be painted some wierd color and wear only some speedo at three o'clock in the morning on set in Manhattan. haha!) and ofcourse they would have all of their powers, firestar could control and create all forms of heat and fire and fly, iceman would be able to travel at high speeds and above the city by freezing the air beneath his feet. ofcourse, peter won't know who they are and they won't know who he is. harry could find out where peter is now living and mistakes angelica and bobby for peter and mary-jane. he uses one of his dad's gas bombs to sedate them, thus he doesen't know what they are capable of. of course, he uses them to lure spidey to the last of the showdowns with the lizard and the scorpion battling him together. the hobgoblin isn't there, as i said that fight will be saved for the fourth movie. but, even with the symbiote on, he still can't beat the both of them together. so when he's down, angelica and bobby come to and realize what's going on. that peter is spider-man. losing the fight, the symbiote leaves peter, with peter realizing that the symbiote was a weakness to him that caused him to start acting strange and distancing himself from his aunt and even mary-jane. (they could even have this emotional blow out argument earlier in the movie jepordizing their relationship, but they mae it thruogh it.) After angelica and bobby realizes what is going on and with the lizard and scorpion about to finish peter off, they must also reveal who they really are. firestar gets so pissed that she melts the metal shackles that bind her right off of her body, burstig into an araura of flames theat are dancing off and around her body. iceman turning completely into ice freezing his shackles and shattering them. the two proceed to have a super human brawl out of this world, ending with firestar and iceman as the victors. they return home with peter and each of them tells eachothers story and peter realizes that he is not alone anymore. he had his friends...his amzing friends. they were now a team ready on take their next challenge...the movie ending showing a man walking through an alley, a man named Eddie Brock who's identity will be revealed in the next movie, and as he is walking, he sees something moving, ofcource he has to investigate, we know waht happens next, then it ends, waiting for the next installment. then, in the fourth movie, venom can appear after peter gets a raise and eddie gets fired, blaming peter for him getting fired. so ofcourse venom goes on a killing spree until spider-man comes to him. but, now he has help, iceman and firestar. during a fight, they get a suprise, Carnage! the two symbiotes team up to destroy all of the good in the city so they can destroy it and begin to breed more symbiotes, that can spread worldwide in a matter of weeks, conquering the planet earth...spidey and his friends must act fast, also, the hobgoblin the returns and kidnaps mary-jane and aunt may. peters family kidnapped and the city in a commotion from the breeding symbionic virius that is spreading. it's total chaospeople are going crazy, building of fire everywhere from vandalism, the city is crumbling and soon the world. the on;y way to stop it...kill the viruses parents...venom and carnage. the final showdown is the grusomest of all battles. spidey takes venom and iceman and firestar take carnage, the outcome...carnage is finished off and firestar and iceman join spidey to finish of venom. they destroy him together, iceman completely freezing venom and spidey smashing him to pieces, eraddicating the virus. but, it's not over yet, the hob goblin shows up with mary-jane and aunt may and says he'll trade them for a battle to the death with him. when the begin to fight they remove their masks, aunt may gasping at what she is seeing. this battle is now not the hobgoblin and spider-man, it's peter and harry, friend versus friend......... draw your own conclusion.....so what do ya think....in my dreams right?

[webslingerj]

ok I am not even going to try reading that.

[ntbone]

Originally posted by webslingerj
ok I am not even going to try reading that.
Agreed.

[PlatinumSpider]

Originally posted by VirShort
ok...before stating my opinion, i would like to clear somthing up...before the alien symbiote takes control of eddie brock, it joins with peter parker (remember that cool black suit he wore, and never really had to put it on because it was attached.) that is a whole other altercation that he has with himself and the alien symbiote. which is why i think he should wear the symbiote in the third movie to introduce it into the plot which should go a little something like this: Spider-Man could encounter the symbiote at the space headquarters where it has ben hiding since Jameson's son got back from space. Harry could become the hobgoblin, but ends up joining with the lizard and the scorpion and uses them to get spider-man, and since he is wearing the symbiote it won't be as hard as it would be to take on those two if he were fighting alone. The hobgoblin himself wouldn't have to fight spider-man until the fourth movie. but, to make things interesting, say peter meets these two people at school, a boy and a girl whom are roommates and are looking for one more roommate, to cut the costs of their three bedroom apartment. Cut costs low enough that it's cheaper for peter to live with them than alone. Plus, he's making two new friends...and i think you should know where i'm going with this. his new friends/roommates names are Angelica Jones and Bobby Drake, or as most know them, Firestar and Iceman. Bringing in the amazing friends would add a whole new element to the movie. seeing firestar on-screen minus the orange spandex, plus som black leather shorts, top, and dominatrix boots, and covered in flames (think the girl from hellboy, but orange and yellow flames instead of blue flames. and seeing iceman covered from head to toe in ice, just like in the comic but with frozen hair not bald (i'd feel sorry for the guy who would have to be painted some wierd color and wear only some speedo at three o'clock in the morning on set in Manhattan. haha!) and ofcourse they would have all of their powers, firestar could control and create all forms of heat and fire and fly, iceman would be able to travel at high speeds and above the city by freezing the air beneath his feet. ofcourse, peter won't know who they are and they won't know who he is. harry could find out where peter is now living and mistakes angelica and bobby for peter and mary-jane. he uses one of his dad's gas bombs to sedate them, thus he doesen't know what they are capable of. of course, he uses them to lure spidey to the last of the showdowns with the lizard and the scorpion battling him together. the hobgoblin isn't there, as i said that fight will be saved for the fourth movie. but, even with the symbiote on, he still can't beat the both of them together. so when he's down, angelica and bobby come to and realize what's going on. that peter is spider-man. losing the fight, the symbiote leaves peter, with peter realizing that the symbiote was a weakness to him that caused him to start acting strange and distancing himself from his aunt and even mary-jane. (they could even have this emotional blow out argument earlier in the movie jepordizing their relationship, but they mae it thruogh it.) After angelica and bobby realizes what is going on and with the lizard and scorpion about to finish peter off, they must also reveal who they really are. firestar gets so pissed that she melts the metal shackles that bind her right off of her body, burstig into an araura of flames theat are dancing off and around her body. iceman turning completely into ice freezing his shackles and shattering them. the two proceed to have a super human brawl out of this world, ending with firestar and iceman as the victors. they return home with peter and each of them tells eachothers story and peter realizes that he is not alone anymore. he had his friends...his amzing friends. they were now a team ready on take their next challenge...the movie ending showing a man walking through an alley, a man named Eddie Brock who's identity will be revealed in the next movie, and as he is walking, he sees something moving, ofcource he has to investigate, we know waht happens next, then it ends, waiting for the next installment. then, in the fourth movie, venom can appear after peter gets a raise and eddie gets fired, blaming peter for him getting fired. so ofcourse venom goes on a killing spree until spider-man comes to him. but, now he has help, iceman and firestar. during a fight, they get a suprise, Carnage! the two symbiotes team up to destroy all of the good in the city so they can destroy it and begin to breed more symbiotes, that can spread worldwide in a matter of weeks, conquering the planet earth...spidey and his friends must act fast, also, the hobgoblin the returns and kidnaps mary-jane and aunt may. peters family kidnapped and the city in a commotion from the breeding symbionic virius that is spreading. it's total chaospeople are going crazy, building of fire everywhere from vandalism, the city is crumbling and soon the world. the on;y way to stop it...kill the viruses parents...venom and carnage. the final showdown is the grusomest of all battles. spidey takes venom and iceman and firestar take carnage, the outcome...carnage is finished off and firestar and iceman join spidey to finish of venom. they destroy him together, iceman completely freezing venom and spidey smashing him to pieces, eraddicating the virus. but, it's not over yet, the hob goblin shows up with mary-jane and aunt may and says he'll trade them for a battle to the death with him. when the begin to fight they remove their masks, aunt may gasping at what she is seeing. this battle is now not the hobgoblin and spider-man, it's peter and harry, friend versus friend......... draw your own conclusion.....so what do ya think....in my dreams right?
Dude....I think you should be a comic book writer lol! Seriously it sounds good to me (u have a good imagination), but i think it would take more than 2 more movies to cram all that in =/....which would be all fine by me!

[haggis_22]

Hi all!!

Are any of the actors signed up for more spiderman movies? and if so how many???

[spidey66062]

Sam Raimi stated that he won't make anymore movies unless he truely cares about the characters. If he doesn't care what happen's to Peter Parker after the 3rd movie he'll stop...or, atleast, that's what I heard.

[Villain_Fan]

I suppose it would be too much to hope that maybe in the beginning of the 5th movie (or later) we have an experienced Spidey who has a well established rogue's gallery, and we get a broader vision of the Marvel Universe. I.E. They should do a short section about Secret Wars . . . you know, where Spidey and all the other heroes and villains were transported to another dimension by the Beyonder to fight it out?

I think it would be wonderful to have a few superhero cameos and that machine that dispensed the symbiote when Pete's costume had been destroyed.

[mre]

see... someone talked about peter not having a big life issue in number three, and so two villians would be needed.
well here's peters life issue; what if the black cat made an appearance. how would MJ feel? plus, she is a theif so spider-man could fight her, then team up with her, stir some jelousy. and have harry as the villian.
i really doubt they will start to show less of peter parkers life, sam raimi espessially would never subtract to peter parkers personal life.
sam raimi has also said he hates two villians.
i dont understand how anyone could. its one thing i always hated about the batman flics. villians working together just seems so corny, and it DIDNT happen all that often in the comics. (they handled it really well in the marvel knights spider-man tho).
ugh... two villians bad. one villian good. the success on spider-man films (to me anyways) depends on the balance of peter parkers life with spider-mans life.

[suspence__]

i believe that jameson jr. goes into space and brings back the alienite suit which spidey will wear in the 3rd movie
which spidey will take off by force using bells the suit will want revenge which i believe will happen in the 4th movie
harry will be hob goblin in the 3rd movie

[dl101]

that was very interesting you have some great ideas is that how you would make the next movie that would be great

[suspence__]

thanks

[bullster]

I think that the villian in Spiderman 3 should be the lizard, they already introduced Doc Connors so it would make more sense for him to appear. The Goblin should wait until Spiderman 4 because he has already appeared something different needs to happen.

[LethalLizard]

I'm just going to reuse one of my posts from www.superherohype.com to confirm why Venom does NOT belong in SM3...

If we choose to ignore ALL the other storylines that would need to be addressed at the beginning of SM3 (Pete and MJ getting together, Harry's secret plans, JJJ's attitude toward his son's rejection, and Aunt May's current living situation), that would still leave us with:

-How the symbiote was found/created

-How Peter is exposed to the symbiote

-What Peter does while "wearing" the symbiote

-How Peter concludes the symbiote is "unhealthy"

-How Peter rids himself of the symbiote

-How Eddie Brock (or John Jameson? ) is exposed to the symbiote

-How Eddie came to hate Spidey/Peter


All this, just to set the stage for Spider-Man's "cool-looking evil twin" villain, seems like too much to me. It's not practical or logical.

A lot of people on this site seem to like Venom a lot based on the results of the SM3 villan poll on this forum. (Assuming that the results of that poll didn't come from a few Venom fans voting multiple times under different screen names...)

However, over at SuperheroHype, the Lizard always beats Venom in polls about who should be in Spider-Man 3. Why the difference?

First off, I think there are a lot more young people here who grew up during the mid-90's when Venom was all over the place in cartoons and toys as Spidey's "Arch-enemy", even though he wasn't a classic villain.

Second, I'll also guess that there are more Spider-Man movie fans here than there are Spider-Man comic book fans. Venom "looks cool", sure, but if you look at all the far-out stuff that had to happen before the symbiote became Venom in the comics (or even in the 90's cartoon), you'd realize that it's just too much to try to cram into the first half of SM3.

I want to see a live action Venom myself at some point, but it just wouldn't work in Spider-Man 3.

[spidey-god]

spidey66062!!! first of all, lizard is EXTREMELY strong!! what the heck r u smokin?!

and whoever said all that about eddie brock hating spidey for ruining his job and how that whole plot would take too long, havent u read the ultimate spidey series with venom? if u havent, do it and if u have, then u would know that that wouldn't be a hard plot to fit in. or, like somebody else said, John Jameson already was on the moon, and in the tv series, that's where the symbiote comes from. so maybe u should study up a little bit.

[nuclear_doc_ock]

the movies don't match the comics

[dark venom]

heres my two cents, if you think about it, all the other spiderman scripts for one and two started out with two villians then later one villian was removed from the script so maybe the same thing wil happen to sm3

[meatmullen]

( SCOOP )

New Line Cinamia was suppodly had a spider-man spin off of Venom. but they never followed up on the plan, ie: getting a director, and actors.

[harryosbornlover]

This is getting me SO mad. I think that Harry will be the villain in Spider-Man 3. I mean, why not? I don't find any reason besides 'I don't want another Green Goblin'. Sam Raimi even said if Harry IS going to be the Green Goblin, it'll be a new creation; not like the first one at all.

Dr. Connors/The Lizard would be a GREAT villain... just not for the 3rd movie. He's only been in TWO scenes while Harry's been a main character in the first two movies. Let Dr. Connors character develop a little bit in the 3rd and THEN make him into a bad guy.

For crying out loud, in the 2nd Spider-Man movie, there were more hints of John Jameson becoming the bad guy in the 3rd movie then there were hints of Dr. Connors. And yet 'everyone' thinks the Lizard will be the next bad guy. Let the Lizard be the bad guy in the 4th (if there is one) and if there's not... oh well.

I think Sam Raimi is creating a 'Spider-Man' of his own, hardly not like the comics. Harry would be an AWESOME bad guy. Could you just imagine how intense and emotional it would be if Harry and Peter fought?

Since Kirsten Dunst isn't coming back for the 4th (and Tobey might), I think they should kill MJ in the third movie. Who should kill her? -- Peter's best friend and MJ's EX-boyfriend, Harry.

[moma33]

Originally posted by VirShort
ok...before stating my opinion, i would like to clear somthing up...before the alien symbiote takes control of eddie brock, it joins with peter parker (remember that cool black suit he wore, and never really had to put it on because it was attached.) that is a whole other altercation that he has with himself and the alien symbiote. which is why i think he should wear the symbiote in the third movie to introduce it into the plot which should go a little something like this: Spider-Man could encounter the symbiote at the space headquarters where it has ben hiding since Jameson's son got back from space. Harry could become the hobgoblin, but ends up joining with the lizard and the scorpion and uses them to get spider-man, and since he is wearing the symbiote it won't be as hard as it would be to take on those two if he were fighting alone. The hobgoblin himself wouldn't have to fight spider-man until the fourth movie. but, to make things interesting, say peter meets these two people at school, a boy and a girl whom are roommates and are looking for one more roommate, to cut the costs of their three bedroom apartment. Cut costs low enough that it's cheaper for peter to live with them than alone. Plus, he's making two new friends...and i think you should know where i'm going with this. his new friends/roommates names are Angelica Jones and Bobby Drake, or as most know them, Firestar and Iceman. Bringing in the amazing friends would add a whole new element to the movie. seeing firestar on-screen minus the orange spandex, plus som black leather shorts, top, and dominatrix boots, and covered in flames (think the girl from hellboy, but orange and yellow flames instead of blue flames. and seeing iceman covered from head to toe in ice, just like in the comic but with frozen hair not bald (i'd feel sorry for the guy who would have to be painted some wierd color and wear only some speedo at three o'clock in the morning on set in Manhattan. haha!) and ofcourse they would have all of their powers, firestar could control and create all forms of heat and fire and fly, iceman would be able to travel at high speeds and above the city by freezing the air beneath his feet. ofcourse, peter won't know who they are and they won't know who he is. harry could find out where peter is now living and mistakes angelica and bobby for peter and mary-jane. he uses one of his dad's gas bombs to sedate them, thus he doesen't know what they are capable of. of course, he uses them to lure spidey to the last of the showdowns with the lizard and the scorpion battling him together. the hobgoblin isn't there, as i said that fight will be saved for the fourth movie. but, even with the symbiote on, he still can't beat the both of them together. so when he's down, angelica and bobby come to and realize what's going on. that peter is spider-man. losing the fight, the symbiote leaves peter, with peter realizing that the symbiote was a weakness to him that caused him to start acting strange and distancing himself from his aunt and even mary-jane. (they could even have this emotional blow out argument earlier in the movie jepordizing their relationship, but they mae it thruogh it.) After angelica and bobby realizes what is going on and with the lizard and scorpion about to finish peter off, they must also reveal who they really are. firestar gets so pissed that she melts the metal shackles that bind her right off of her body, burstig into an araura of flames theat are dancing off and around her body. iceman turning completely into ice freezing his shackles and shattering them. the two proceed to have a super human brawl out of this world, ending with firestar and iceman as the victors. they return home with peter and each of them tells eachothers story and peter realizes that he is not alone anymore. he had his friends...his amzing friends. they were now a team ready on take their next challenge...the movie ending showing a man walking through an alley, a man named Eddie Brock who's identity will be revealed in the next movie, and as he is walking, he sees something moving, ofcource he has to investigate, we know waht happens next, then it ends, waiting for the next installment. then, in the fourth movie, venom can appear after peter gets a raise and eddie gets fired, blaming peter for him getting fired. so ofcourse venom goes on a killing spree until spider-man comes to him. but, now he has help, iceman and firestar. during a fight, they get a suprise, Carnage! the two symbiotes team up to destroy all of the good in the city so they can destroy it and begin to breed more symbiotes, that can spread worldwide in a matter of weeks, conquering the planet earth...spidey and his friends must act fast, also, the hobgoblin the returns and kidnaps mary-jane and aunt may. peters family kidnapped and the city in a commotion from the breeding symbionic virius that is spreading. it's total chaospeople are going crazy, building of fire everywhere from vandalism, the city is crumbling and soon the world. the on;y way to stop it...kill the viruses parents...venom and carnage. the final showdown is the grusomest of all battles. spidey takes venom and iceman and firestar take carnage, the outcome...carnage is finished off and firestar and iceman join spidey to finish of venom. they destroy him together, iceman completely freezing venom and spidey smashing him to pieces, eraddicating the virus. but, it's not over yet, the hob goblin shows up with mary-jane and aunt may and says he'll trade them for a battle to the death with him. when the begin to fight they remove their masks, aunt may gasping at what she is seeing. this battle is now not the hobgoblin and spider-man, it's peter and harry, friend versus friend......... draw your own conclusion.....so what do ya think....in my dreams right? I agree with him 100%!

[SpideyFreak91]

They should put Firestar and Iceman in one of the movies.