Why I think Carnage should be in Spiderman 4

[king_booker]

Ok..i know what you're thinking. Carnage is shallow character, with no motivation at all.
But hear me out.
The reason why I think Carnage is a good villain to use in Spiderman 4 is that apparently, many people are thinking they had enough of sympathetic villains and crazy scientists gone mad.
I'll talk about Lizard since Lizard seems to be the villain everybody wants to see at this point.
With Raimi's vision, Lizard will be just another crazy scientist gone bad, resembling too much of Green Gobllin and Doctor Octopus.
Since Carnage has no humanity in him whatsoever, so isn't Carnage the kind of villain we want to see? I mean he's just out there killing people with no reason.
So far all 5 villains were all connected with Peter Parker. Carnage will feel fresh to many people, since Carnage is just out there to kill people, having no connection with Peter Parker whatsoever.
Therefore, I believe that Carnage is a good choice for Spiderman 4.
Now if only Raimi appreciated the symbiotic villains, since he already screwed up Venom.

[Caveboy0]

Ok..i know what you're thinking. Carnage is shallow character, with no motivation at all.
But hear me out.
The reason why I think Carnage is a good villain to use in Spiderman 4 is that apparently, many people are thinking they had enough of sympathetic villains and crazy scientists gone mad.
I'll talk about Lizard since Lizard seems to be the villain everybody wants to see at this point.
With Raimi's vision, Lizard will be just another crazy scientist gone bad, resembling too much of Green Gobllin and Doctor Octopus.
Since Carnage has no humanity in him whatsoever, so isn't Carnage the kind of villain we want to see? I mean he's just out there killing people with no reason.
So far all 5 villains were all connected with Peter Parker. Carnage will feel fresh to many people, since Carnage is just out there to kill people, having no connection with Peter Parker whatsoever.
Therefore, I believe that Carnage is a good choice for Spiderman 4.
Now if only Raimi appreciated the symbiotic villains, since he already screwed up Venom.

connors doesn't go evil. he just becomes a monster. it is another experiment gone wrong villain, but he isn't evil.
and the only thing he screwed up with venom was his time being there nothing else IMO.
Carnage isn't a likable villain he's as much of a monster as lizard only with no morals and well no character, no substance. You can't have to monsters as the villains in a movie. also your reasons are different than other pro carnage people, but it doesn't hold up. your reasoning is that he should be the villain because he is different then the past ones. different doesn't mean better it's just different.

oh and welcome to the boards. I hope I wasn't offensive in any way.

[Ock/Joker fan]

Electro, Scorpion, Kraven, Lizard......I'd take any of them over Carnage.

[Spider-Tim 075]

Electro, Scorpion, Kraven, Lizard......I'd take any of them over Carnage.

Any of those would be awesome :D I'd love to see a crime-lord aswell: Wilson Fisk or Silvermane I think his name was... Or Vulture could work 2 IMO. Theres alot of choices

[BackinBlack07]

I believe Carnage can work in a movie. How do I know this? Just look at the Joker in The Dark Knight. He was a psychotic mass murderer and the movie was able to get a PG-13. BRING FORTH THE CARNAGE!

[PhaZoN]

I believe Carnage can work in a movie. How do I know this? Just look at the Joker in The Dark Knight. He was a psychotic mass murderer and the movie was able to get a PG-13. BRING FORTH THE CARNAGE!

I would LOVE to see Carnage, as he is my favorite of villains.
But I do agree and disagree with what you say.
While Carnage not having substance isn't true, he does certainly has no backstory.
While the Joker does. Now that last part is up to debate for people who have not read The Killing Joke or Lovers And Madmen and who have only seen the movie. Simply because Joker is left mostly a mystery in The Dark Knight, the only story he tells is the one behinds his scars but we have no proof which, if either, of the two are real. (It could have been three if Batman had let him finish his sentence at the end of the movie.)
Also, what's this about your sig that says TDK is back in movies on January 23rd?

[Spazzarro]

I believe Carnage can work in a movie. How do I know this? Just look at the Joker in The Dark Knight. He was a psychotic mass murderer and the movie was able to get a PG-13. BRING FORTH THE CARNAGE!
:spidey_yeah_that:

[Ock/Joker fan]

I believe Carnage can work in a movie. How do I know this? Just look at the Joker in The Dark Knight. He was a psychotic mass murderer and the movie was able to get a PG-13. BRING FORTH THE CARNAGE!

Joker didn't butcher people in cold blood with symbiote spikes and axes.

Carnage cannot work in a PG-13 movie. And since Sam Raimi is helming Spider-Man 4, Carnage stands no chance of appearing.

Thank god!

[rjh'012]

Carnage would be awesome. But, since spider-man films are so kid- friendly, his character may be toned down. Spiderman has so many great stories, but really...we need new/raw material (I don't want to see Peter once again beg for Mary Jane's love). The next step for spidey is either a remake or epic marvel team-up.

Did anyone notice that in the beginning of SM1: Peter said that his (whole) story was about Mary Jane Watson, the girl next door...the girl he liked before he even liked girls.

Raimi disliked the idea of symbiotes anyway. After SM3's response, Raimi surely won't do another symbiote.

[Phatso]

Has anyone here read the story arc of The amazing spiderman issue 361-363 entitled savage genisis?

Chalked full of back story for Kletus Casidy!

Yet I digress.

With eddie brock DEAD and the VEnom story ruined in Spiderman 3 there is no way Carnage will work in these films without once again butchering a comic characters roots!

Man the awesomeness that would be a final battle at madison square garden between spidey and carnage! The epic scop would be amazing.

And the whole process of spidey thinking and fearing the return of venom and then having his first encounter with the other symbiote and being caught completely offguard is a great angle to play.

I could go on for days about WHY the villain in 4 SHOULD be carnage.

But it wont be so why should I bother.

It will be vulture. Mark my words. Raimi claiemd he wnated hi mi n3 but that avi arad and marvel pushed venom onto him thats wh he probally decided to ruin and kill the character.

[king_booker]

Has anyone here read the story arc of The amazing spiderman issue 361-363 entitled savage genisis?

Chalked full of back story for Kletus Casidy!

Yet I digress.

With eddie brock DEAD and the VEnom story ruined in Spiderman 3 there is no way Carnage will work in these films without once again butchering a comic characters roots!

Man the awesomeness that would be a final battle at madison square garden between spidey and carnage! The epic scop would be amazing.

And the whole process of spidey thinking and fearing the return of venom and then having his first encounter with the other symbiote and being caught completely offguard is a great angle to play.

I could go on for days about WHY the villain in 4 SHOULD be carnage.

But it wont be so why should I bother.

It will be vulture. Mark my words. Raimi claiemd he wnated hi mi n3 but that avi arad and marvel pushed venom onto him thats wh he probally decided to ruin and kill the character.

I highly doubt it's gonna be Vulture.
Cause moneywise, Vulture won't bring as much audience to theater as other villains like Electro, Lizard, Black Cat.
If I have to guess, I think it will be Black Cat and either Electro or Lizard.

[Caveboy0]

I would LOVE to see Carnage, as he is my favorite of villains.
But I do agree and disagree with what you say.
While Carnage not having substance isn't true, he does certainly has no backstory.
While the Joker does. Now that last part is up to debate for people who have not read The Killing Joke or Lovers And Madmen and who have only seen the movie. Simply because Joker is left mostly a mystery in The Dark Knight, the only story he tells is the one behinds his scars but we have no proof which, if either, of the two are real. (It could have been three if Batman had let him finish his sentence at the end of the movie.)
Also, what's this about your sig that says TDK is back in movies on January 23rd?

Yeah but Joker said himself that he doesn't always remember it the same way. It's still a mystery. I mean who knows what his real origin is. maybe it was just an accident while working there or maybe he went crazy and then just decided to jump in. Basically the origin story was pointless in the book.

Unlike Joker, Carnage is a one note kind of character. He likes to kill big whoop. so do any other crazed serial killer out there. what makes him so interesting. He has super powers. How gimmicky can you get. "Mass Murderer gets super powers, a heros worst nightmare." At least Eddie Brock has a decent story to go with him. If they did Carnage it would be all action and no story and just scream Joker to people. " Oh look Spider-Man tries to go darker and have a mass murderer as the villain, very creative Raimi." People have eyes like a hawk if it's even remotely like TDK they will criticize.
The only way they could use Carnage is as a plot devise. He can't bring the goods character wise, but if he's crucial in some way to the plot or Peter's character (not like he's his uncle's other killer or anything, but like he moves his character along in some way) he could work.

[Spider-Tim 075]

Joker didn't butcher people in cold blood with symbiote spikes and axes.
Carnage cannot work in a PG-13 movie. And since Sam Raimi is helming Spider-Man 4, Carnage stands no chance of appearing.

Thank god!

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[bds23420]

Sam will not bring Carnage into his movies at all....
Carnage would make a Spider-Man movie turn to a R rating to get the true feel of the character and Sam will not make a Spider-Man movie rated R because they will get rid of their main audience which is teens and younger kids...plus if you put Carnage on the big screen it will be just like Venom, the point of a movie is to show the Actors face as much as possible so the viewer can connect better with that person. everyone was pi$$ed off when Venom came on the screen and we saw him for about 5 minutes total and the rest of the time it was Eddie Brock's face with Venom's body...and then all you little Symbiote lovers will get Pi$$ed off again and have your hissy fits...so Sam will not be putting in another Symbiote Villain in a Spider-Man movie.

[Jick08]

Carnage can't work, exactly the way he is, alone in a movie...but if he shares screentime with another villain, such as Lizard, then it can work.
and, as much as I'd love to have Carnage, Raimi is back, unfortunately, and I don't want him to touch another symbiote character. he doesn't have the guts to do it nor I believe he can do it right. he'll make him have a stupid connection with Peter, being his parents murderer or something like that.
this is quite ironic. we'd expect something more hardcore from a Evil Dead director.

[BackinBlack07]

Also, what's this about your sig that says TDK is back in movies on January 23rd?

It's getting re-released.:yay:

Joker didn't butcher people in cold blood with symbiote spikes and axes.


He still killed people in cold blood. ALOT of people.

[Spider-Tim 075]

In cinema's TDK was PG-13 but I saw the dvd in store today with a 16+ rating (BTW =D)

[Ock/Joker fan]

He still killed people in cold blood. ALOT of people.

So what? Did you see anything graphic when he killed anyone? No. Same as Green Goblin bombing all those Oscorp Execs, or Ock killing all the nurses and doctors. It wasn't graphic.

Carnage hacks people up with axes and spikes and all kinds of nasty symbiote weapons. It's all the character does. Kill, kill, kill.

This is all a moot point, anyway. Carnage will not be in Spider-Man 4. No way. And I'm very glad. He's an awful villain.

[rjh'012]

Face it. Carnage won't be in SM4. He just doesn't fit the them of the SM film series. If things were done right in the beginning, sure we could have "worked up" to the drama of a good symbiote story. But raimi has made sure that SM belongs to kid-friendly audiences. After the disappointing Venom in SM3, Carnage would be......afraid to say......pointless.

[webhead988]

Welcome to the boards!

[lopli]

I think they could tweak Carnage's character a bit and make him sort of like the Joker in TDK,and the symbiote wouldn't be the main part of the story,it would be just a way to make Cletus Kassidy more evil and deadlier throughout the story so he will be even more of a threat,not directly to Peter,but the whole city.I think he shouldn't just affect Peter,but also his family and friends.For example,they could have Carnage kill Captain Stacey which would tie in to Gwen.Just one of my ideas.

[ss3kid]

I'm all for Carnage, but I don't want him in Spider-Man 4 for some reasons.
1. I don't think Carnage would fit into Raimi's Spiderman movies
2. Carnage's, yes, is a moraless killer, and Raimi's villains all seem to be good (except for Gobby)at one point then go bad, except Lizard if hes in it cause its not Conners, its the Lizard, who I consider a different person to Conners (in my odd understanding of things)
3. They wouldn't be able to show his killing sprees cause of the rating Spiderman movies have.
4. Carnage might be used for the Venom spinoff, so I don't want him being used before that. Who knows. All depends on the success of Wolverine.

Other than that I love Carnage, I have a thing for moraless people cause I myself have loose morals. But hey, thats just me.

[rjh'012]

Okay, we have resolved the Carnage dilemma: He's a bad a** character, but would be altered to fit Raimi's universe.

Wut about:
Black Cat
Scarlet Spider

[Killer Symbiote]

Carnage would be great for a Spidey film. He's a completely insane, mindless killer. Movie Spider-Man hasn't faced a villain like that yet. It would really raise the stakes.

[ss3kid]

I just thought of something. You know how they kinda blend the Ultimate Spiderman Universe with the Classic Spiderman Universe ( At least I tink they do?) If anything, they wouldn't be able mix them both up with Carnage. If anything they could go with the Ultimate version. It would sorta make sense, seeing as the symbiote is practically dead.

[Jick08]

honestly, no.
if we're going to have Ultimate Carnage...then just better put another villain.
while I'm fond on 616 Carnage, Ultimate doesn't impress me.

[Killer Symbiote]

What would makes sense for a movie version of Carnage is this:
Doc Connors turns into the Lizard, smashes up his laboratory, and accidentally lets loose the symbiote sample he owns from Spider-Man 3.

[Jick08]

simple like that^^
but Raimi is in the direction, and I don't want him touching another symbiote ever again.

[Lizardboy]

connors doesn't go evil. he just becomes a monster. it is another experiment gone wrong villain, but he isn't evil.
and the only thing he screwed up with venom was his time being there nothing else IMO.
Carnage isn't a likable villain he's as much of a monster as lizard only with no morals and well no character, no substance. You can't have to monsters as the villains in a movie. also your reasons are different than other pro carnage people, but it doesn't hold up. your reasoning is that he should be the villain because he is different then the past ones. different doesn't mean better it's just different.

oh and welcome to the boards. I hope I wasn't offensive in any way.

Connors does become evil though when he does turn into The Lizard but I agree with everything else you said there.

[Spazzarro]

connors doesn't go evil. he just becomes a monster. it is another experiment gone wrong villain, but he isn't evil.
and the only thing he screwed up with venom was his time being there nothing else IMO.
Carnage isn't a likable villain he's as much of a monster as lizard only with no morals and well no character, no substance. You can't have to monsters as the villains in a movie. also your reasons are different than other pro carnage people, but it doesn't hold up. your reasoning is that he should be the villain because he is different then the past ones. different doesn't mean better it's just different.

oh and welcome to the boards. I hope I wasn't offensive in any way.
Hey! Different iz ALWAYZ better

[BackinBlack07]

Hey! Different iz ALWAYZ better

So by that logic, you're saying that Joel Schumacher's different take on Batman is better than Tim Burton's. Your move.

[Spazzarro]

So by that logic, you're saying that Joel Schumacher's different take on Batman is better than Tim Burton's. Your move.
:LOL: mayb not thr

[rjh'012]

Carnage is too "explicit" for a Spiderman film. His character would be altered too fit the "kid-friendly" film. Besides, a symbiote story without Eddie Brock/Venom would suck.

[Spider-Z]

Carnage is perfect! He is mindless, a mass murder and crazy just like Sam Rami!!:yay:

[rjh'012]

Carnage is perfect! He is mindless, a mass murder and crazy just like Sam Rami!!:yay:

R u serious or joking (seriously)? Carnage doesn't have enough depth to carry a movie. Carnage is too "explicit" for a Spiderman film. Besides, a symbiote story without Eddie Brock/Venom would suck.

[Spider-Z]

I was joking a little. But Carnage can be great in the hands of a great writer.
I have an idea.

[BackinBlack07]

Allow me to bring up the Joker card (heh heh, see what I did there?) again. The Joker was pure evil in The Dark Knight, and it still got a PG-13. They could work Carnage to fit that.

[Spazzarro]

Allow me to bring up the Joker card (heh heh, see what I did there?) again. The Joker was pure evil in The Dark Knight, and it still got a PG-13. They could work Carnage to fit that.
:rolleyes: tht iz VERY true though

[lopli]

Allow me to bring up the Joker card (heh heh, see what I did there?) again. The Joker was pure evil in The Dark Knight, and it still got a PG-13. They could work Carnage to fit that.
I agree completley.

[rjh'012]

Allow me to bring up the Joker card (heh heh, see what I did there?) again. The Joker was pure evil in The Dark Knight, and it still got a PG-13. They could work Carnage to fit that.

Yall really must want Carnage. Carnage without Eddie Brock/Venom wouldn't even have a "good" story. Carnage is great, but just doesn't have... depth.

Unlike The Dark Knight, the theme of the Spiderman series are "kid-friendly". If we had a better director/diretion, they could've built the drama to a great Symbiote Sage (but we don't).

[ss3kid]

Allow me to bring up the Joker card (heh heh, see what I did there?) again. The Joker was pure evil in The Dark Knight, and it still got a PG-13. They could work Carnage to fit that.

Well kinda. Carnage would need to edited a little. Even Joker was probably edited a little in Dark Knight, though he was awesome.

[Spazzarro]

plus ppl thnk tht PG-13 iznt tht bad, but if u thnk about it, they kan get a pretty large amount of violence and stuff into thoze movies

[aliensuit1495]

Ok..i know what you're thinking. Carnage is shallow character, with no motivation at all.
But hear me out.
The reason why I think Carnage is a good villain to use in Spiderman 4 is that apparently, many people are thinking they had enough of sympathetic villains and crazy scientists gone mad.
I'll talk about Lizard since Lizard seems to be the villain everybody wants to see at this point.
With Raimi's vision, Lizard will be just another crazy scientist gone bad, resembling too much of Green Gobllin and Doctor Octopus.
Since Carnage has no humanity in him whatsoever, so isn't Carnage the kind of villain we want to see? I mean he's just out there killing people with no reason.
So far all 5 villains were all connected with Peter Parker. Carnage will feel fresh to many people, since Carnage is just out there to kill people, having no connection with Peter Parker whatsoever.
Therefore, I believe that Carnage is a good choice for Spiderman 4.
Now if only Raimi appreciated the symbiotic villains, since he already screwed up Venom.

while i do want to see carny in a movie i really dont thing these are the right reasons