My story idea for Spider-Man 4

[BackinBlack07]

So a couple days ago, I was thinking of a way that Carnage could work in the Spider-Man movies when I came up with what I think is a good story. I'd like to know what you guys think.

Peter and Mary Jane have reconciled since the events of Spider-Man 3 and their relationship has never been stronger. Mary Jane's acting career has gotten out it's slump and she draws the attention of a big Hollywood agent offering her a movie role. She has to decide to stay whether to follow her dreams or stay with Peter.
Meanwhile, Peter and Gwen Stacy have been helping Dr. Connors with a special project dealing with limb regeneration, hoping to help victims of amputation, including Dr. Connors, regrow their lost limbs. When the experiment seems to work on lab rats, Connors uses the serum on himself. At first it works, but it's just the beginning of things to come.
Also, Cletus Kassidy, a homicidal psychopath locked up in Ravencroft, has escaped and roams the streets of New York. He seeks revenge on Spider-Man for killing his cousin Eddie Brock. His thirst for blood leads him ESU where he attempts to kill Gwen and Dr. Connors. The stress of the situation causes Connors to fully transform into the monstrous Lizard. He attacks Kassidy, who in the conflict encounters the sample of the symbiote Connors still had in his possession. The symbiote sample enters a cut in Kassidy's arm and bonds with his blood, and in the process creates a new creature of pure evil. A creature Kassidy calls Carnage.
Now Spider-Man must contend with a man who he respects become a monster, he in part helped create, and a homicidal maniac with the power of a symbiote, and all in all keep New York from self-destructing.


So what do you think? I've added elements that Raimi would probably add with MJ's movie offer and (yet another) tragic villain. But with the success of The Dark Knight, it needed something Spidey has never face before, a villain with an uncontrollable lust for blood, and we find that in Carnage. I've done research on the character and he seems almost just like how The Joker is. Kassidy believes anybody could be just like him if they just have the guts to do, and believes rules aren't needed. Joker is just like that.
I realize that making Eddie his cousin is a risky move, but I didn't want Cletus just to be added in their. It would've felt forced. See Eddie always went to see him in the asylum every month, but when Eddie stopped coming, Cletus wanted to know why.
And don't think I forgot about what role Peter has in this. See, with this one, Peter's starting to deal with things that could possibly happened because of his actions, and feeling guilty. He helped Connors in his regenerative experiments, and because of what happened with Eddie and the symbiote, he's responsible for creating an unstoppable killing machine.
Now, I've already thought of an ending for this, and if you want to know what happens, just PM me.

So be honest, whadda ya think?

[shadow_spidey]

Carnage was inspired by Joker - that why. :)

The only plot hole in this is how does Cletus know Spider-Man killed Eddie? I mean, since he was fired from the bugle, no one would wonder where he is. If they were wondering it would go something like this.

_____________________

Hoffman: What ever happen to that "Brockman" or Ed "something" guy?

Jameson: Edward Brock? He cares?! He's a criminal who made me have to prince a retraction! I had a record which would have been 21 or 22 YEARS!

Hoffman: I-I think it would have been twenty-tw--

*BUZZ!*

Jameson and Hoffman: Ah!

Betty: Boss, you're still on the meds so keep calm.

*Jonah glares at Betty. He smirks. He gets onto the floor and goes under the desk. He spots the buzzered and pulls it out! He holds it out in front of him by the wire and looks at Betty with a smirk.*

Jonah: HOFFMAN!

Hoffman: Y-yes, Mr. Jameson?

Jonah: Give this to Miss Brant...please?
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Something like that. :) Seriously though, no one would know about him being Venom or to Spidey's NYC the "black-costumed fanged-figure". Although, Flint Marko does, I think Although he wouldn't go to the-- wait one second! Perhaps Marko could've gotten arrested and put in Ravencroft? That way they could introduce Adrian Toomes somehow like in the orginal Spider-Man 3 draft. As well as Cletus. Spider-Man comes up in the coversation, he could still have good thoughts about Spidey, but hide them. He takes about Brock. BUT! That couldn't work either. Remember his ability? So, yeah. That's the only plot hole and it's a pretty important one.

[BackinBlack07]

Carnage was inspired by Joker - that why. :)

The only plot hole in this is how does Cletus know Spider-Man killed Eddie? I mean, since he was fired from the bugle, no one would wonder where he is. If they were wondering it would go something like this.

_____________________

Hoffman: What ever happen to that "Brockman" or Ed "something" guy?

Jameson: Edward Brock? He cares?! He's a criminal who made me have to prince a retraction! I had a record which would have been 21 or 22 YEARS!

Hoffman: I-I think it would have been twenty-tw--

*BUZZ!*

Jameson and Hoffman: Ah!

Betty: Boss, you're still on the meds so keep calm.

*Jonah glares at Betty. He smirks. He gets onto the floor and goes under the desk. He spots the buzzered and pulls it out! He holds it out in front of him by the wire and looks at Betty with a smirk.*

Jonah: HOFFMAN!

Hoffman: Y-yes, Mr. Jameson?

Jonah: Give this to Miss Brant...please?
_________________

Something like that. :) Seriously though, no one would know about him being Venom or to Spidey's NYC the "black-costumed fanged-figure". Although, Flint Marko does, I think Although he wouldn't go to the-- wait one second! Perhaps Marko could've gotten arrested and put in Ravencroft? That way they could introduce Adrian Toomes somehow like in the orginal Spider-Man 3 draft. As well as Cletus. Spider-Man comes up in the coversation, he could still have good thoughts about Spidey, but hide them. He takes about Brock. BUT! That couldn't work either. Remember his ability? So, yeah. That's the only plot hole and it's a pretty important one.

Well I have been trying to figure that into the story. But aside from that what do you think of the story?

[shadow_spidey]

I like it. I'm assuming you got a bit inspired by the Spectacular Spider-Man with Peter and Gwen helping Dr. Connors. I would like to see them bring in his wife and son. Perhaps they could get inspired from the SSM as well. I mean, the show has been inspired by the films and comics.

[Caveboy0]

So a couple days ago, I was thinking of a way that Carnage could work in the Spider-Man movies when I came up with what I think is a good story. I'd like to know what you guys think.

Peter and Mary Jane have reconciled since the events of Spider-Man 3 and their relationship has never been stronger. Mary Jane's acting career has gotten out it's slump and she draws the attention of a big Hollywood agent offering her a movie role. She has to decide to stay whether to follow her dreams or stay with Peter.
Meanwhile, Peter and Gwen Stacy have been helping Dr. Connors with a special project dealing with limb regeneration, hoping to help victims of amputation, including Dr. Connors, regrow their lost limbs. When the experiment seems to work on lab rats, Connors uses the serum on himself. At first it works, but it's just the beginning of things to come.
Also, Cletus Kassidy, a homicidal psychopath locked up in Ravencroft, has escaped and roams the streets of New York. He seeks revenge on Spider-Man for killing his cousin Eddie Brock. His thirst for blood leads him ESU where he attempts to kill Gwen and Dr. Connors. The stress of the situation causes Connors to fully transform into the monstrous Lizard. He attacks Kassidy, who in the conflict encounters the sample of the symbiote Connors still had in his possession. The symbiote sample enters a cut in Kassidy's arm and bonds with his blood, and in the process creates a new creature of pure evil. A creature Kassidy calls Carnage.
Now Spider-Man must contend with a man who he respects become a monster, he in part helped create, and a homicidal maniac with the power of a symbiote, and all in all keep New York from self-destructing.


So what do you think? I've added elements that Raimi would probably add with MJ's movie offer and (yet another) tragic villain. But with the success of The Dark Knight, it needed something Spidey has never face before, a villain with an uncontrollable lust for blood, and we find that in Carnage. I've done research on the character and he seems almost just like how The Joker is. Kassidy believes anybody could be just like him if they just have the guts to do, and believes rules aren't needed. Joker is just like that.
I realize that making Eddie his cousin is a risky move, but I didn't want Cletus just to be added in their. It would've felt forced. See Eddie always went to see him in the asylum every month, but when Eddie stopped coming, Cletus wanted to know why.
And don't think I forgot about what role Peter has in this. See, with this one, Peter's starting to deal with things that could possibly happened because of his actions, and feeling guilty. He helped Connors in his regenerative experiments, and because of what happened with Eddie and the symbiote, he's responsible for creating an unstoppable killing machine.
Now, I've already thought of an ending for this, and if you want to know what happens, just PM me.

So be honest, whadda ya think?

I'm against carnage, but what you wrote would be pretty good only imo i would replace carnage with electro and have him be a third assistant to Connors or a past assistant that got caught in another famous experiments gone wrong thing. he goes after Connors and like you said the stress level causes him to change to Lizard.

[BackinBlack07]

I'm against carnage, but what you wrote would be pretty good only imo i would replace carnage with electro and have him be a third assistant to Connors or a past assistant that got caught in another famous experiments gone wrong thing. he goes after Connors and like you said the stress level causes him to change to Lizard.

Well, see I'm trying to give Spider-Man what the Joker did in The Dark Knight. I'm trying to give Spider-Man the type of villain he's never faced before, one that has no conscience or apathy and takes delight in chaos and anarky. That's what Carnage is about.

So do any of you guys want to know how it ends? I'll PM it to you, just let me know.

[shadow_spidey]

I would like to know. :)

[ss3kid]

I would too please

[Spazzarro]

So a couple days ago, I was thinking of a way that Carnage could work in the Spider-Man movies when I came up with what I think is a good story. I'd like to know what you guys think.

Peter and Mary Jane have reconciled since the events of Spider-Man 3 and their relationship has never been stronger. Mary Jane's acting career has gotten out it's slump and she draws the attention of a big Hollywood agent offering her a movie role. She has to decide to stay whether to follow her dreams or stay with Peter.
Meanwhile, Peter and Gwen Stacy have been helping Dr. Connors with a special project dealing with limb regeneration, hoping to help victims of amputation, including Dr. Connors, regrow their lost limbs. When the experiment seems to work on lab rats, Connors uses the serum on himself. At first it works, but it's just the beginning of things to come.
Also, Cletus Kassidy, a homicidal psychopath locked up in Ravencroft, has escaped and roams the streets of New York. He seeks revenge on Spider-Man for killing his cousin Eddie Brock. His thirst for blood leads him ESU where he attempts to kill Gwen and Dr. Connors. The stress of the situation causes Connors to fully transform into the monstrous Lizard. He attacks Kassidy, who in the conflict encounters the sample of the symbiote Connors still had in his possession. The symbiote sample enters a cut in Kassidy's arm and bonds with his blood, and in the process creates a new creature of pure evil. A creature Kassidy calls Carnage.
Now Spider-Man must contend with a man who he respects become a monster, he in part helped create, and a homicidal maniac with the power of a symbiote, and all in all keep New York from self-destructing.


So what do you think? I've added elements that Raimi would probably add with MJ's movie offer and (yet another) tragic villain. But with the success of The Dark Knight, it needed something Spidey has never face before, a villain with an uncontrollable lust for blood, and we find that in Carnage. I've done research on the character and he seems almost just like how The Joker is. Kassidy believes anybody could be just like him if they just have the guts to do, and believes rules aren't needed. Joker is just like that.
I realize that making Eddie his cousin is a risky move, but I didn't want Cletus just to be added in their. It would've felt forced. See Eddie always went to see him in the asylum every month, but when Eddie stopped coming, Cletus wanted to know why.
And don't think I forgot about what role Peter has in this. See, with this one, Peter's starting to deal with things that could possibly happened because of his actions, and feeling guilty. He helped Connors in his regenerative experiments, and because of what happened with Eddie and the symbiote, he's responsible for creating an unstoppable killing machine.
Now, I've already thought of an ending for this, and if you want to know what happens, just PM me.

So be honest, whadda ya think?
besidez wat shadow wuz sayn, i love it
love to kno how it endz

[SpideyFan83]

So a couple days ago, I was thinking of a way that Carnage could work in the Spider-Man movies when I came up with what I think is a good story. I'd like to know what you guys think.
I’ll break this down, but, don't take any of my criticism too personal, as it's just IMO
(which is probably abit bias, having a storyline of my own in mind, and not wanting to see carnage in the movies)


Peter and Mary Jane have reconciled since the events of Spider-Man 3 and their relationship has never been stronger. Mary Jane's acting career has gotten out it's slump and she draws the attention of a big Hollywood agent offering her a movie role. She has to decide to stay whether to follow her dreams or stay with Peter.


not bad why to start off
(though, I do think alot poeple are too quick to try to write MJ out of the picture)

Meanwhile, Peter and Gwen Stacy have been helping Dr. Connors with a special project dealing with limb regeneration, hoping to help victims of amputation, including Dr. Connors, regrow their lost limbs. When the experiment seems to work on lab rats, Connors uses the serum on himself. At first it works, but it's just the beginning of things to come.
agian, I am very bias, based on how I see the story working

but, I'd picture Connors working on his special project, in secret
not incuding a couple of his students in it, anyway
I mean, Peter, maybe, but, Gwen was one of his struggling students (even if her grades have improved, since Peter's been helping her)

Also, Cletus Kassidy, a homicidal psychopath locked up in Ravencroft, has escaped and roams the streets of New York. He seeks revenge on Spider-Man for killing his cousin Eddie Brock.
we kinda i'll already saw the escaped prisoner, thing with sandman
an idk, about him and Eddie being related

His thirst for blood leads him ESU where he attempts to kill Gwen and Dr. Connors.
so, instead of attacking some random person on the street, to feed his blood lust, he goes to a collage campus, and breaks in to a lab

The stress of the situation causes Connors to fully transform into the monstrous Lizard.


I do like idea...
Connors transformation being brought out while being attacked

He attacks Kassidy, who in the conflict encounters the sample of the symbiote Connors still had in his possession. The symbiote sample enters a cut in Kassidy's arm and bonds with his blood, and in the process creates a new creature of pure evil. A creature Kassidy calls Carnage.


Now Spider-Man must contend with a man who he respects become a monster, he in part helped create, and a homicidal maniac with the power of a symbiote, and all in all keep New York from self-destructing.

thats a good way of putting it

So what do you think? I've added elements that Raimi would probably add with MJ's movie offer and (yet another) tragic villain. But with the success of The Dark Knight, it needed something Spidey has never face before, a villain with an uncontrollable lust for blood,
I gotta disagree with this kinda thinking, spider-man is not batman, what worked for a batman movie, wouldn't necessarily work for a spider-man movie

not every movie needs to have a blood hungry killer to be successful

[Phatso]

I actually out of boredom wrote a few pages of a script for spidey 4 until I read that they had already gotten a writer. It was during the writer strike i was gonna try and finish and send it out to a couple people. Gave up.

MY original start off point after opening credits montage with small flash back frames much like spidey 2 with the alex ross paintings and less long and drawn out like spidey 3.

A spider web with rain drops fades into a zoom in shot of the water front of NYC and We follow teh camera as it zooms in ****her and pans down to a lowly street corner phoen booth with someone inside hanging upside down.


We here aunt may talking and telling peter to stay strong, hes a man and can handle anything in his path. He tells aunt may "its all just becoming too much."

He cannot let her struggle with her bills and be alone any longer and wants her to move in with him and MJ.

AUnt may refuses and tells him that the "newly weds have enough to worry about and that shes a grown woman."

Aut may:: You on teh otehr hand need to be carefull wit hall yoru galloping around in that horrible big city taking photos. There are crooks and killers and all sorts of strange costumed monsters out there now adays."

We follow lips of spiderman with his masked tucked over his nose to the payphone reciever down the wire to the digits and then hear gunshots and screethcing tires.

Aunt May::: what was that peter are you ok?

Parker:: Gotta go,Pictures to take.


A high speed limo chase with the hardy women (misses and felicia) being takin hostage by three ski masked thugs and a high speed chase ensuing
along city blocks iwth spidey airborn and hoppin galong to stop it.

One thug is yanked right threw the sun roof by a thin silvery string and left dangeling.

The remaining two Are panicked the Driver says to the man weilding the long hunting blade "Cletus Its HIM!" Than they turned down an ally way. One of the thugs manages to escape spideys grasp by leaping from the moving vehicle.

The two women are suddenly yanked out of the sunroof right before the driver notices a cacthe' of webbing at the end of the ally.

Thug 3::: OH Great!

The car comes to a sticky and sudden halt.

Spidey ropes up thug 1 and 2 and leaves them dangling for the
authorities.

Miss Hardey::: what did they want spider man?

SPidey::: probally money You are part of a well known elitest group knwon to us poor folk as teh rich mam.

Felicia::: startes crying* They wanted more than that The one with the knife he leaped out into the ally and had the big knife was saying what he was gonna do with us.

After a short discussion with the hardey women he realses there was a thrid asailant!


He leeps off to catch the last masked man but has no luck.

(cut to the later scene of a man camped out in an all too familiar construction site) Talking to himself and reading a paper with his photo on the front page

Something slithers in the darkness and spawns towards his direction reaching out for someone evil and wanting, alone and needing.


(this would all be in the first 15 minutes of my film)

WE would not si tthrough the wedding I promsie you that. I would gretaly go into detail to set up Lizard for the 5th film. I would also set up hobgoblin and more in this film.

To keep the action on a steady pace id use Rino and Shocker as bit players and small time crooks. I would also use Carnage to set up the scorpion angle.

The main foe would be Kassidy.

Id also bring The kingpin into the picture.

[Caveboy0]

Well, see I'm trying to give Spider-Man what the Joker did in The Dark Knight. I'm trying to give Spider-Man the type of villain he's never faced before, one that has no conscience or apathy and takes delight in chaos and anarky. That's what Carnage is about.

So do any of you guys want to know how it ends? I'll PM it to you, just let me know.

Well then people will just see this as Spiderman copying TDK. Spiderman isn't Batman. The audience will just see this as week writing and just shameful that the writers thought that to be good they have to be like TDK.

[MaxGSpideyFan]

So a couple days ago, I was thinking of a way that Carnage could work in the Spider-Man movies when I came up with what I think is a good story. I'd like to know what you guys think.

Peter and Mary Jane have reconciled since the events of Spider-Man 3 and their relationship has never been stronger. Mary Jane's acting career has gotten out it's slump and she draws the attention of a big Hollywood agent offering her a movie role. She has to decide to stay whether to follow her dreams or stay with Peter.
Meanwhile, Peter and Gwen Stacy have been helping Dr. Connors with a special project dealing with limb regeneration, hoping to help victims of amputation, including Dr. Connors, regrow their lost limbs. When the experiment seems to work on lab rats, Connors uses the serum on himself. At first it works, but it's just the beginning of things to come.
Also, Cletus Kassidy, a homicidal psychopath locked up in Ravencroft, has escaped and roams the streets of New York. He seeks revenge on Spider-Man for killing his cousin Eddie Brock. His thirst for blood leads him ESU where he attempts to kill Gwen and Dr. Connors. The stress of the situation causes Connors to fully transform into the monstrous Lizard. He attacks Kassidy, who in the conflict encounters the sample of the symbiote Connors still had in his possession. The symbiote sample enters a cut in Kassidy's arm and bonds with his blood, and in the process creates a new creature of pure evil. A creature Kassidy calls Carnage.
Now Spider-Man must contend with a man who he respects become a monster, he in part helped create, and a homicidal maniac with the power of a symbiote, and all in all keep New York from self-destructing.


So what do you think? I've added elements that Raimi would probably add with MJ's movie offer and (yet another) tragic villain. But with the success of The Dark Knight, it needed something Spidey has never face before, a villain with an uncontrollable lust for blood, and we find that in Carnage. I've done research on the character and he seems almost just like how The Joker is. Kassidy believes anybody could be just like him if they just have the guts to do, and believes rules aren't needed. Joker is just like that.
I realize that making Eddie his cousin is a risky move, but I didn't want Cletus just to be added in their. It would've felt forced. See Eddie always went to see him in the asylum every month, but when Eddie stopped coming, Cletus wanted to know why.
And don't think I forgot about what role Peter has in this. See, with this one, Peter's starting to deal with things that could possibly happened because of his actions, and feeling guilty. He helped Connors in his regenerative experiments, and because of what happened with Eddie and the symbiote, he's responsible for creating an unstoppable killing machine.
Now, I've already thought of an ending for this, and if you want to know what happens, just PM me.

So be honest, whadda ya think?

Not Bad, I like that.

[BackinBlack07]

so, instead of attacking some random person on the street, to feed his blood lust, he goes to a collage campus, and breaks in to a lab



He's crazy, what do you expect?

[BackinBlack07]

Since alot of people want to know what happens, I'll just post it here in spoiler tags. Okay, I haven't gotten an exact ending, but this is what I have so far:

Okay, so let me back it up to when Kassidy attacks Gwen and Connors. The stress of the situation causes Connors to fully transform into the Lizard. He attacks Kassidy and in the conflict, Kassidy gets a cut in his arm and the symbiote sample gets lose and enters Kassidy's blood.
Now continuing from that, Spider-Man's spider sense senses danger at ESU so he hurries over there to find Lizard, Gwen, and Kassidy. The Lizard escapes into the sewers when Captain Stacy and other officers arrive to arrest Kassidy. Spider-Man goes after Lizard in the sewer while Kassidy is taken to the station.
Spider-Man battles the Lizard but is defeated when Lizard holds his head down in the water too long and he blacks out. When Spidey comes to, he's alone and decides to head home.
Meanwhile, at the police station, the symbiote emerges from Kassidy and he becomes Carnage and he proceeds to kill the other prisoners in the holding cell and any officer who gets in his way, including Captain Stacy. Spider-Man swings by and sees ambulances and everything and finds out what happened. Detective Jean Dewolfe has taken control of the station and wants to bring in Spider-Man for questioning, but Spidey doesn't have time for that seeing as how two monsters are on the loose. He calls MJ and tells her to stay inside and don't go out. He then calls Aunt May to tell her the same thing but she's out buying groceries and Peter then hears a scream at the other end and heads toward her. He gets to the scene and finds Aunt May being attacked by Carnage. Spidey manages to keep Carnage away while May runs. Spidey is no match for Carnage, and things just get worse when Lizard comes out of the sewers and Spidey's caught between the two monsters...

TO BE CONTINUED...

[lopli]

So a couple days ago, I was thinking of a way that Carnage could work in the Spider-Man movies when I came up with what I think is a good story. I'd like to know what you guys think.

Peter and Mary Jane have reconciled since the events of Spider-Man 3 and their relationship has never been stronger. Mary Jane's acting career has gotten out it's slump and she draws the attention of a big Hollywood agent offering her a movie role. She has to decide to stay whether to follow her dreams or stay with Peter.
Meanwhile, Peter and Gwen Stacy have been helping Dr. Connors with a special project dealing with limb regeneration, hoping to help victims of amputation, including Dr. Connors, regrow their lost limbs. When the experiment seems to work on lab rats, Connors uses the serum on himself. At first it works, but it's just the beginning of things to come.
Also, Cletus Kassidy, a homicidal psychopath locked up in Ravencroft, has escaped and roams the streets of New York. He seeks revenge on Spider-Man for killing his cousin Eddie Brock. His thirst for blood leads him ESU where he attempts to kill Gwen and Dr. Connors. The stress of the situation causes Connors to fully transform into the monstrous Lizard. He attacks Kassidy, who in the conflict encounters the sample of the symbiote Connors still had in his possession. The symbiote sample enters a cut in Kassidy's arm and bonds with his blood, and in the process creates a new creature of pure evil. A creature Kassidy calls Carnage.
Now Spider-Man must contend with a man who he respects become a monster, he in part helped create, and a homicidal maniac with the power of a symbiote, and all in all keep New York from self-destructing.


So what do you think? I've added elements that Raimi would probably add with MJ's movie offer and (yet another) tragic villain. But with the success of The Dark Knight, it needed something Spidey has never face before, a villain with an uncontrollable lust for blood, and we find that in Carnage. I've done research on the character and he seems almost just like how The Joker is. Kassidy believes anybody could be just like him if they just have the guts to do, and believes rules aren't needed. Joker is just like that.
I realize that making Eddie his cousin is a risky move, but I didn't want Cletus just to be added in their. It would've felt forced. See Eddie always went to see him in the asylum every month, but when Eddie stopped coming, Cletus wanted to know why.
And don't think I forgot about what role Peter has in this. See, with this one, Peter's starting to deal with things that could possibly happened because of his actions, and feeling guilty. He helped Connors in his regenerative experiments, and because of what happened with Eddie and the symbiote, he's responsible for creating an unstoppable killing machine.
Now, I've already thought of an ending for this, and if you want to know what happens, just PM me.

So be honest, whadda ya think?
I really like this.

[SpideyFan83]

He's crazy, what do you expect?
exactly, if he's just crazy, and out for blood, he wouldn't be in the rational mind to go searching, and breaking in to a lab to go after Connors
if he was just out for blood, he would go after the first person he saw
an I say this not, meaning to bash on your story, but, in general, almost every fan story I read with carnage, its always, he somehow ends up in Connors lab, no ones willing to come up with a why or how

you at least put some thought to it, with the blood lust idea, but, it just needs to be elaborated on a bit more

Like, maybe, he see's Gwen walking down the street heading to Connors lab, and follows her

[BackinBlack07]

exactly, if he's just crazy, and out for blood, he wouldn't be in the rational mind to go searching, and breaking in to a lab to go after Connors
if he was just out for blood, he would go after the first person he saw
an I say this not, meaning to bash on your story, but, in general, almost every fan story I read with carnage, its always, he somehow ends up in Connors lab, no ones willing to come up with a why or how

you at least put some thought to it, with the blood lust idea, but, it just needs to be elaborated on a bit more

Like, maybe, he see's Gwen walking down the street heading to Connors lab, and follows her

Joker's crazy too.

I probably should have mentioned that since Eddie went to see Cletus alot at Ravencroft, he told him alot of things, including Gwen, and during his last visit before he became Venom, he told Cletus about how Gwen dumped him. Cletus sees his cousin is upset and that upsets him as well. So he also wants Gwen dead too.
Although, I like your idea too.

[spidey1fan]

besidez wat shadow wuz sayn, i love it
love to kno how it endz


me too

[Arcainite]

Hey, BiB, first of all, I applaud that you're doing something like this. I like that you don't just have Gwen disappear altogether. And since she's going to school with Peter, I like that she's working with Dr. Connors on his projects. However, you also should have them encounter Dr. Miles Warren while they're there (aka The Jackal).

I also like that you've brought in Jean DeWolffe. She's a great character. I imagine there are many people who always do the right thing, even though they wish they could be more fantastic.

My main objection to how you have Cletus and Eddie related is that they ALWAYS hated each other. Even when they worked together against Spider-Man, their alliance was very fragile and didn't last. It's not necessarily because Cletus is just a psycho. It's because it's in the symbiotes' nature to want to supplant their forebears/parent symbiote.

[Caveboy0]

after checking out what BiB wrote again i remembered how i thought carnage could work. i wanted carnage to be like overbaring battle crazy. spiderman wouldn't have a moment to breath without carnage going at him with an axe. like i want him to be frick'n crazy as **** when he goes after spiderman.

so the idea would be that carnage is too much for spiderman to handle when he has dr. conners to look for as lizard.

and maybe new york sets up a plan to entrap carnage in a section of the sewer that would fill up with explosive gases and igniting it destroying the symbiote and cassedy with a huge fire ball basically.

so spiderman's goal is to lure carnage into that sewer and get out and boom

now the city doesn't care about lizard, but obviously peter does so he has to waste time to go get conners and get out with carnage staying there,

MJ and Peter's relationship would be strong in this one, but be more of a sub plot to the dilemma over dr. conners.

so thats how i see carnage working.

[spidey1fan]

after checking out what BiB wrote again i remembered how i thought carnage could work. i wanted carnage to be like overbaring battle crazy. spiderman wouldn't have a moment to breath without carnage going at him with an axe. like i want him to be frick'n crazy as **** when he goes after spiderman.

so the idea would be that carnage is too much for spiderman to handle when he has dr. conners to look for as lizard.

and maybe new york sets up a plan to entrap carnage in a section of the sewer that would fill up with explosive gases and igniting it destroying the symbiote and cassedy with a huge fire ball basically.

so spiderman's goal is to lure carnage into that sewer and get out and boom

now the city doesn't care about lizard, but obviously peter does so he has to waste time to go get conners and get out with carnage staying there,

MJ and Peter's relationship would be strong in this one, but be more of a sub plot to the dilemma over dr. conners.

so thats how i see carnage working.

I dont see Carnage working at all. I think that Lizard should only be a secondary villian and have Vulture take over as main. Then, with a couple of references to the Kingpin, you could change the entire storyline into a connectiong storyplot for the next two movies. I mean, it could explain, with some effort, the origin of Green Goblin, Doc Ock, Sandman, and the Lizard from a whole different pint of veiw. Then have Kingpin make his first appearence right before the credits. Boom, SM5.

I dont mean to downtalk your ideas or anything, but it would make a better cartoon plot than a live action movie.

[Caveboy0]

i agree that carnage wouldn't work, but for me i would like him the way i said.

[spidey1fan]

i agree that carnage wouldn't work, but for me i would like him the way i said.

So, what do you think about my Vulture, Kingpin idea? :spiderman2:

[BackinBlack07]

Kingpin can't be used since Fox owns his rights because he's considered a Deadpool villain. Bah.:shake:

[Arcainite]

Kingpin can't be used since Fox owns his rights because he's considered a Deadpool villain. Bah.:shake:
It's mainly because Kingpin appears more often in Daredevil. He is still in Spider-Man, Punisher, and the occasional other title (such as the famous Kingpin vs Red Skull unarmed combat in Captain America: Streets of Poison), but not with the great frequency with which he is used in Daredevil.

[spidey1fan]

It's mainly because Kingpin appears more often in Daredevil. He is still in Spider-Man, Punisher, and the occasional other title (such as the famous Kingpin vs Red Skull unarmed combat in Captain America: Streets of Poison), but not with the great frequency with which he is used in Daredevil.

point taken, but it would be a good way to get the series back on its feet, i mean, think about how many good villians are affiliated with Fisk?

[blademage20]

I love the idea. I love Carnage and think he would be a great villain. But Carnage is supposed to be a spawn of Venom, so would that sample that Dr. Connors has be counted as being part of Venom, since it never actually was part of the actual person? I also think they need to find a way to bring back Venom. He is one of (if not the most) iconic Spiderman villains, and they really ****ed him over in SM3. I think that they need to use the sample to bring him back, do him some well-deserved justice, and have a small part of the symbiote escaping and becoming Carnage in the next movie, as well as having Lizard as another villain in SM4. IMO, that would be better story-wise as Spidey would have to face a villain he's already defeated, causing him to re-live his past encounter and face fears he had in SM3 all over again; and he has a villain whom he used to respect, casuing him to make very difficult decisions trying to protect the city.

As for Venom coming back, here's my idea:

The symbiote manages to find it's way to Eddie Brock's father (possibly by coincidence) who is overcome with grief at his son's death. Since nobody knew his son was Venom, he has no idea as to how he actually died. The symbiote takes him over, amplifies his emotions like it did with Peter, and ultimately bringing out another Venom, who believes that Spiderman is the cause of all of the city's problems, even his son's death, and attempts to kill Spiderman.

[jsspideyfan]

Since alot of people want to know what happens, I'll just post it here in spoiler tags. Okay, I haven't gotten an exact ending, but this is what I have so far:

Okay, so let me back it up to when Kassidy attacks Gwen and Connors. The stress of the situation causes Connors to fully transform into the Lizard. He attacks Kassidy and in the conflict, Kassidy gets a cut in his arm and the symbiote sample gets lose and enters Kassidy's blood.
Now continuing from that, Spider-Man's spider sense senses danger at ESU so he hurries over there to find Lizard, Gwen, and Kassidy. The Lizard escapes into the sewers when Captain Stacy and other officers arrive to arrest Kassidy. Spider-Man goes after Lizard in the sewer while Kassidy is taken to the station.
Spider-Man battles the Lizard but is defeated when Lizard holds his head down in the water too long and he blacks out. When Spidey comes to, he's alone and decides to head home.
Meanwhile, at the police station, the symbiote emerges from Kassidy and he becomes Carnage and he proceeds to kill the other prisoners in the holding cell and any officer who gets in his way, including Captain Stacy. Spider-Man swings by and sees ambulances and everything and finds out what happened. Detective Jean Dewolfe has taken control of the station and wants to bring in Spider-Man for questioning, but Spidey doesn't have time for that seeing as how two monsters are on the loose. He calls MJ and tells her to stay inside and don't go out. He then calls Aunt May to tell her the same thing but she's out buying groceries and Peter then hears a scream at the other end and heads toward her. He gets to the scene and finds Aunt May being attacked by Carnage. Spidey manages to keep Carnage away while May runs. Spidey is no match for Carnage, and things just get worse when Lizard comes out of the sewers and Spidey's caught between the two monsters...

TO BE CONTINUED...

:yay: :spidey_yeah_that: DUDE!!! This is AWESOME!!! Mabye if you bring Sandman in it could be a Two-onTwo. That would be Sweet! Here's my idea:

Flint Marko is wandering done a deserted sidewalk.(Hmm, Wonder Why it's deserted?) when he hears an old women scream. He remembers what Spider-Man told him in the last movie and runs to help her.

Let me know if you want more and BackinBlack07 let me know if you want more.

[jsspideyfan]

[QUOTE=jsspideyfan;644173] :spidey_yeah_that: DUDE!!! This is AWESOME!!! Mabye if you bring Sandman in it could be a Two-onTwo. That would be Sweet! Here's my idea:

Flint Marko is wandering done a deserted sidewalk.(Hmm, Wonder Why it's deserted?) when he hears an old women scream. He remembers what Spider-Man told him in the last movie and runs to help her.

Let me know if you want more and BackinBlack07 let me know if you want more.:rant: Note I'm 14. i had to lie about my age so that sonpyictures would let me join.

[Nixu]

Well, see I'm trying to give Spider-Man what the Joker did in The Dark Knight.


...aaaaand that's strikes one two and three right there. Shouldn't Spider-Man be its own film?

[Nixu]

And the first rule of superheroics: if there's no body, the guy's not dead. You see the symbiote beggining to rebond with Eddie just as the pumpkin bomb goes off. Spidey survived a pumpkin bomb to the face in Spider-Man, no reason Venom who's hardier shouldn't. Even if it killed him, it wouldn't just vaporise him entirely. So, it stands to reason he's still alive. "Bring him back?" Dude, he never left.

[Nixu]

after checking out what BiB wrote again i remembered how i thought carnage could work. i wanted carnage to be like overbaring battle crazy. spiderman wouldn't have a moment to breath without carnage going at him with an axe. like i want him to be frick'n crazy as **** when he goes after spiderman.

so the idea would be that carnage is too much for spiderman to handle when he has dr. conners to look for as lizard.

and maybe new york sets up a plan to entrap carnage in a section of the sewer that would fill up with explosive gases and igniting it destroying the symbiote and cassedy with a huge fire ball basically.

so spiderman's goal is to lure carnage into that sewer and get out and boom

now the city doesn't care about lizard, but obviously peter does so he has to waste time to go get conners and get out with carnage staying there,

MJ and Peter's relationship would be strong in this one, but be more of a sub plot to the dilemma over dr. conners.

so thats how i see carnage working.

Seriously, I don't mean to sound insulting, but my sides are splitting. And you actually had the audacity to tell me to go watch Transformers? After writting this? Dude...

[BackinBlack07]

And the first rule of superheroics: if there's no body, the guy's not dead. You see the symbiote beggining to rebond with Eddie just as the pumpkin bomb goes off. Spidey survived a pumpkin bomb to the face in Spider-Man, no reason Venom who's hardier shouldn't. Even if it killed him, it wouldn't just vaporise him entirely. So, it stands to reason he's still alive. "Bring him back?" Dude, he never left.

There is a body dude:
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e345/DoctorOck/skeletonbomb2fm4.png?t=1254446450

Should I point out that one of Goblin's bombs disentigrated the OsCorp board of Directors in the first film?

[web_head_33]

And the first rule of superheroics: if there's no body, the guy's not dead. You see the symbiote beggining to rebond with Eddie just as the pumpkin bomb goes off. Spidey survived a pumpkin bomb to the face in Spider-Man, no reason Venom who's hardier shouldn't. Even if it killed him, it wouldn't just vaporise him entirely. So, it stands to reason he's still alive. "Bring him back?" Dude, he never left.

just like what bib said theres no way to bring him back, well no logical way to bring him back

[aliensuit1495]

I would like to point out that the bomb that Eddie got blown up with is a different kind than the bomb that blew up the directors in SM1. The flash it creates is different, the effect is different and its not really that explosive.
Nevertheless eddie did get blown to bits as the pic BiB show proves. I wanted Venom to come back seeing as how his role was wasted, but it's just not possible.

[Nixu]

Even if it was the same kind of bomb, Venom's superhuman. The board of directors normal people. Any more questions on that?

This not actually a dead body. This is a nice symbiote effect as the bomb goes off. When the explosion's over, there is no body. Couldn't have vaporised, isn't there either, oh gee, maybe he did the obvious thing and DISAPPEAR BECAUSE HE WAS WEAK AND IT WAS CONVENIENT THEY'D THINK HE'S DEAD? With the added advantage of him not triggering Pete's Spider-sense, they'd never see him coming back.

I'm not entirely convinced myself, but there's no proof at all that he's dead.

[web_head_33]

Even if it was the same kind of bomb, Venom's superhuman. The board of directors normal people. Any more questions on that?

This not actually a dead body. This is a nice symbiote effect as the bomb goes off. When the explosion's over, there is no body. Couldn't have vaporised, isn't there either, oh gee, maybe he did the obvious thing and DISAPPEAR BECAUSE HE WAS WEAK AND IT WAS CONVENIENT THEY'D THINK HE'S DEAD? With the added advantage of him not triggering Pete's Spider-sense, they'd never see him coming back.

I'm not entirely convinced myself, but there's no proof at all that he's dead.

did u not see the skeleton in that picture? and the symbiote hadn't fully attached to eddie's whole body yet. doesn't matter if he's superhuman it's not like he's invincible to death. and who's skeleton do u think that is then?

[Nixu]

For you information, Mr Smarty Pants, Venom has survived WAY more than what they saw happened. Ok, let's say he died. Where did the sceleton go? Where are the traces of the symbiote? They had bonded completely, unlike Pete and the symbiote. That connection doesn't go away, even if pulled away from one another. In the comics, Brock has been separated from the symbiote for years, yet still in his bloodstream still lurked the symbiotic Anti-Venom.

[BackinBlack07]

For you information, Mr Smarty Pants, Venom has survived WAY more than what they saw happened. Ok, let's say he died. Where did the sceleton go? Where are the traces of the symbiote? They had bonded completely, unlike Pete and the symbiote. That connection doesn't go away, even if pulled away from one another. In the comics, Brock has been separated from the symbiote for years, yet still in his bloodstream still lurked the symbiotic Anti-Venom.

What happens in the comics doesn't affect the movies. Whatever Venom's survived through the comics and that he's become Anti-Venom doesn't matter. Eddie is dead! There was a skeleton that was destroyed and aside from the sample Connors has, so is the symbiote.

[mr.excellent]

What happens in the comics doesn't affect the movies. Whatever Venom's survived through the comics and that he's become Anti-Venom doesn't matter. Eddie is dead! There was a skeleton that was destroyed and aside from the sample Connors has, so is the symbiote.

Actually, it should be the comics that the movies look to for inspiration, rough story guides, etc. Professor Xavier was vaporized by Jean, but he's still alive in some way or other. There's always room for some far fetched survival explanation in a comic book movie. That being said, I didn't enjoy seeing Venom on screen like I thought I would, so I wouldn't be that disappointed if they didn't bring him back. Further, I'm ready for a different kind of Spider-man film.

These are people that are struggling with the American dream. Plus, they're native New Yorkers. That has so much potential, this franchise doesn't need to rely on fanboy favorite villains to make the movie good. I'd rather have a good story than bring Venom back in some far fetched way. I just wanted to argue that they could because such activity is sort of common place for this genre.

[web_head_33]

For you information, Mr Smarty Pants, Venom has survived WAY more than what they saw happened. Ok, let's say he died. Where did the sceleton go? Where are the traces of the symbiote? They had bonded completely, unlike Pete and the symbiote. That connection doesn't go away, even if pulled away from one another. In the comics, Brock has been separated from the symbiote for years, yet still in his bloodstream still lurked the symbiotic Anti-Venom.

Of course i knew venom has survived way worse. i'm not stupid. and i'm not saying u r either but u know were talking about the movies right? it's just no logical to bring him back. it would come off lame and seem like they brought him back only cuz all the fans were pissed at the little screen time he had. there are a lot of other great villains to be used. i think it would just be a waste and stupid to bring him back

[Nixu]

Of course i knew venom has survived way worse. i'm not stupid. and i'm not saying u r either but u know were talking about the movies right? it's just no logical to bring him back. it would come off lame and seem like they brought him back only cuz all the fans were pissed at the little screen time he had. there are a lot of other great villains to be used. i think it would just be a waste and stupid to bring him back


Dude, I didn't want Venom in it in the first place, but there you go. That still doesn't mean he died. As for logic...you are actually debating logic on films about a guy who got spider-powers from the bite of a genetically altered spider?

[Caveboy0]

Dude, I didn't want Venom in it in the first place, but there you go. That still doesn't mean he died. As for logic...you are actually debating logic on films about a guy who got spider-powers from the bite of a genetically altered spider?

but you have to understand this is the realm of science fiction. bringing the dead back to life is going in to supernatural territory.

and yes there can be loads of ideas to how Eddie comes back but its really really stretching my suspension of reality. i mean i heard ideas of a cacoon of symbiote regenerating eddie from a flake of his DNA, just crazy stuff like that. can you really watch a movie that goes with that idea?

i mean if Eddie just had his arm and leg blown off then i could understand that the symbiote would create new limbs for him. But an entire human body? Why would the symbiote need a host if he can just take a flake of skin and create a host from that?

[web_head_33]

but you have to understand this is the realm of science fiction. bringing the dead back to life is going in to supernatural territory.

and yes there can be loads of ideas to how Eddie comes back but its really really stretching my suspension of reality. i mean i heard ideas of a cacoon of symbiote regenerating eddie from a flake of his DNA, just crazy stuff like that. can you really watch a movie that goes with that idea?

i mean if Eddie just had his arm and leg blown off then i could understand that the symbiote would create new limbs for him. But an entire human body? Why would the symbiote need a host if he can just take a flake of skin and create a host from that?

yeah i agree with this

[tommyeph]

Well peter shood show his secret to new york city. That he is spider-man at the end of spider-man 4 because maby that will be the last one. And spider-man and the blackcat shood beat the liserd, the new vedom, and the green goblen shood like come out of his grave and have alot more power to amost kill spider-man. But then the blackcat died at the end of the movie spider-man 4. please repley black.

[spidey1fan]

Well peter shood show his secret to new york city. That he is spider-man at the end of spider-man 4 because maby that will be the last one. And spider-man and the blackcat shood beat the liserd, the new vedom, and the green goblen shood like come out of his grave and have alot more power to amost kill spider-man. But then the blackcat died at the end of the movie spider-man 4. please repley black.

Okay, dude. That was screwed up. I'm not generally the one to come up with good ideas, but that was HORRIBLE!!!!! :spidey_yeah_that:

[Nixu]

yeah i agree with this

You shouldn't. Bringing the dead back through BOTH pseudo-science and supernatural means is comic book bread and butter.

[spideyfan1000]

Well peter shood show his secret to new york city. That he is spider-man at the end of spider-man 4 because maby that will be the last one. And spider-man and the blackcat shood beat the liserd, the new vedom, and the green goblen shood like come out of his grave and have alot more power to amost kill spider-man. But then the blackcat died at the end of the movie spider-man 4. please repley black.

well that is a good idea but its kind of random cos the green gobling was possesed by the goblin in his mind and when he died the mind gobling was defeated cos its host was destroyed what should realy happen is doc oc should come back because in spiderman 2 you dont see him actualy die cos he could of resufaced down the river and went into hiding so he could plan to kill spiderman cos in the first series of spiderman games on playstation 1 doc oc took control over carnage and used him as a henchman but in the end you defeat doc oc and carnage and you think its all over but then a monster comes out and it turns out that the symbiot has taken doc ocs body and controled it creatin a super villian who you run away from and it gets killed in the explosin thats what should happen cos the problem with the movies is that it dont stick to the original comics and plot lines
:yay:

[mr.excellent]

You shouldn't. Bringing the dead back through BOTH pseudo-science and supernatural means is comic book bread and butter.

You know, I started to agree with the other guy after his skin flake argument, but I like your persistence. Both of you guys are making great arguments, which is great because the subject material is so silly. It's fun.

[mr.excellent]

Well peter shood show his secret to new york city. That he is spider-man at the end of spider-man 4 because maby that will be the last one. And spider-man and the blackcat shood beat the liserd, the new vedom, and the green goblen shood like come out of his grave and have alot more power to amost kill spider-man. But then the blackcat died at the end of the movie spider-man 4. please repley black.

Sorry for double posting, I wasn't allowed to edit and include this into my previous post. Anyway, I like some of your ideas. It would be interesting for Pete to get a good look at the world around him and realize that he could be doing so much more. Maybe he'll come to regret his 'no questions cause your a bad guy', beat em up and hand em to the police approach to justice. But I think that his powers should enhance his ability to help people once he comes to this realization. I wouldn't want the movie to end with him hating being Spider-man. That would leave way too much dissonance with all the true SM fans. Of course Peter hates the life style at times, but at the end of every great story arc, he embraces the good that has come of his actions. He finds encouragement through his memory of Uncle Ben, the guidance of Aunt May, or his marriage to Mary Jane (when he was married), etc.

[web_head_33]

You shouldn't. Bringing the dead back through BOTH pseudo-science and supernatural means is comic book bread and butter.

no i'm a person who wants the movies to stick to the major parts of the comics. but there are some thing that just come out lame in a movie and this is one of them

[Killer Symbiote]

well that is a good idea but its kind of random cos the green gobling was possesed by the goblin in his mind and when he died the mind gobling was defeated cos its host was destroyed what should realy happen is doc oc should come back because in spiderman 2 you dont see him actualy die cos he could of resufaced down the river and went into hiding so he could plan to kill spiderman cos in the first series of spiderman games on playstation 1 doc oc took control over carnage and used him as a henchman but in the end you defeat doc oc and carnage and you think its all over but then a monster comes out and it turns out that the symbiot has taken doc ocs body and controled it creatin a super villian who you run away from and it gets killed in the explosin thats what should happen cos the problem with the movies is that it dont stick to the original comics and plot lines
:yay:

Dude! PUNCTUATION!!!
Welcome, by the way.

[Nixu]

no i'm a person who wants the movies to stick to the major parts of the comics. but there are some thing that just come out lame in a movie and this is one of them

Just because you or me can't grasp how they could be done tastefully doesn't mean they can't be.

[Nixu]

Accidental repost.

[Caveboy0]

Just because you or me can't grasp how they could be done tastefully doesn't mean they can't be.

i don't get what your arguing about, if you believe that venom to come back would be just ridiculous then we should be agreeing not arguing.

[Nixu]

i don't get what your arguing about

Then maybe you should not be posting this? Or read more carefully before you do?

[Caveboy0]

Then maybe you should not be posting this? Or read more carefully before you do?

you yourself didn't want venom in the first place yet your arguing that he could come back, but that argument is usually for people who want venom back, if you don't want venom back then there is no reason to disagree with those who think he shouldn't as well.

its like arguing that the world could end in 2012, i don't believe it will, but i will argue that point nonetheless. we could all die in 2012 it is a possibility.

get what i'm saying? i'm really making my opponents argument for them. since i don't believe the world will in in 2012 then i should be making that argument on what i believe not what those with opposite opinions would.

your sort of arguing for the sake of arguing. there is no reason for you to argue that venom could come back, since you don't want venom back. it comes down to the question; why do you care?

[mr.excellent]

you yourself didn't want venom in the first place yet your arguing that he could come back, but that argument is usually for people who want venom back, if you don't want venom back then there is no reason to disagree with those who think he shouldn't as well.

its like arguing that the world could end in 2012, i don't believe it will, but i will argue that point nonetheless. we could all die in 2012 it is a possibility.

get what i'm saying? i'm really making my opponents argument for them. since i don't believe the world will in in 2012 then i should be making that argument on what i believe not what those with opposite opinions would.

your sort of arguing for the sake of arguing. there is no reason for you to argue that venom could come back, since you don't want venom back. it comes down to the question; why do you care?

Arguments are fun, especially when you take a logic that doesn't apply to reality, but use it rigorously. Kind of like that new movie "The Invention of Lying". If you don't know what I mean, you should find a preview on youtube. I know that it's not my argument, but I'm enjoying the back and forth between you and Nixu.

[Nixu]

it comes down to the question; why do you care?

Because being a human being means not only caring about the things you like. Too many people seem to forget that.
Yeah, I didn't want Venom because I thought it was too early for him. Yeah, I was not thrilled about the way he was handled. I do not want him coming back unless it's to do him justice. I am pretty sure that's not happening.

However, what I want and what is possible are two entirely different things. I wish it was concluded, beyond the flicker of a doubt, that he is dead (same goes for Doc Ock, but seeing as Ock was "redeemed" at the end his return is highly unlikely). But it wasn't. There was no dead body recovered. There were no funerals for them. Both characters were in situations no normal human person would survive, but again, you are talking about a Hollywood action film based on a superhero comic book. ANYTHING's possible.

To make it simple enough for you, I care because it is a possibility, no matter how I feel about it.

[Bucks1]

I think its really good story BackinBlack07 are you going to tell us what happens in the end?
:spidey_thumbs: