perfect origin for symbiote

[Jason Martell]

In actual reality 2 or 3 years from now NASA is going to send another robot like the rover, but it is going to collect samples of soil, and then fly back to the space station where it can be studied. John Jameson the astronaut could go to the space station then fly back to the earth and crash and spidey goes in to save john jameson, and spider-man gets covered in the black liquid etc etc

[sguy]

Maybe...I was thinking the suit is an experiment of Dr.Conners.

[Jason Martell]

Originally posted by Jason Martell
In actual reality 2 or 3 years from now NASA is going to send another robot like the rover, but it is going to collect samples of soil, and then fly back to the space station where it can be studied. John Jameson the astronaut could go to the space station then fly back to the earth and crash and spidey goes in to save john jameson, and spider-man gets covered in the black liquid etc etc
The ironic part is the movie would be in theatres about the same time, that an actual astronaut would be bringing the sample collected on Mars, from the space station to earth!

[Jason Martell]

I'm just posting cuz I'm curious what people think

[Jason Martell]

again

[lordof]

"VENOM, Venom, Venom. That's the villian that you've chosen. I offered you Octopus, and you spat in my face."

[Jason Martell]

Originally posted by sguy
Maybe...I was thinking the suit is an experiment of Dr.Conners.
Why would curt be experimenting with a suit?
He's trying to use hormones and genes from lizrds so he can grow his arm back. He's not making suits? Plus the suit is a "LIVING ALIEN SYMBIOTE"
If connors made it then it wouldn't be a "LIVING ALIEN SYMBIOTE"

[sguy]

It doesn't have to be a LIVING ALIEN SYMBIOTE. The comic rules no longer apply.
Conners could find out who Pete is and could be experimenting with Pete's blood for genetic research or just happen swipe a spot of blood off of of spidey and analyze it.

[seeker515]

I like your idea about Dr. Connors experimenting with Spidey's blood, sguy. That would explain why Spidey's spider-sense doesn't work with Venom.

The whole symbiote aspect of Venom would be so hard to put in the movies.

The symbiote has to get on Peter, he has to let it stay there long enough for it to try to bond with him, Peter has to get it off, it has to get on Eddie Brock...

It just doesn't make sense. If you got this black stuff on you, wouldn't you try to get it off, and not think "Hey, I could use this for a new costume!"

Of course, if they went the Spidey-blood route, Venom couldn't have the white spider on his chest and back, and Venom fans probably wouldn't like that, but I don't think thats really necessary.

I think you've found a way that Venom could be in the movies that would actually work!

Did you come up with that yourself, or is it from the cartoon or Ultimates?

Good job!

[Jason Martell]

Eye yei yei! Your obvously new to the boards. didn't you notice "ETC ETC"
That was a different version of the symbiote origin from the nineties cartoon. The only difference is it came from Mars instead of the moon. Did you ever read the comic book? The suit communicates with its host telepathically. It tells peter I wont hurt you, I can do this I can do that, I will make you stronger and faster. In the superheroe biz stronger and faster come in handy!
I"m surprised at people's reaction to my idea. Before everyone liked the cartoon origin, and this is just a more realistic version of the cartoon origin.

[Jason Martell]

I fI knew ahead of time that they were going to do SGuys idea, I wouldn't even watch it. I think most comic fans wouldn't. I got a lot of them in my family, it's kind of passed from one gen to the next. None of us would. We don't bicker over tiny changes, but that would be too much! Peter would never let a scientists experiment with his mutated blood for fear of exposing his identity. Hes' not a moron!

[seeker515]

Originally posted by Jason Martell
Eye yei yei! Your obvously new to the boards.
So posting on the message boards makes people experts on Spider-Man? I thought it was reading the comics and watching the movies, etc.
Originally posted by Jason Martell didn't you notice "ETC ETC"
That was a different version of the symbiote origin from the nineties cartoon.
No, putting "etc, etc" in there didn't make what you were talking about clear. If anyhting, it suggested that we could all assume what was coming next in your origin story... Venom gets on Brock and Brock hates Spider-Man... but that's not what I was questioning.
Originally posted by Jason Martell The only difference is it came from Mars instead of the moon. Did you ever read the comic book?
Yes, I did read the comics. In the comics, the Venom symbiote came from the Secret Wars planet, not the Moon or Mars.
Originally posted by Jason Martell The suit communicates with its host telepathically. It tells peter I wont hurt you, I can do this I can do that, I will make you stronger and faster. In the superheroe biz stronger and faster come in handy!
That must be in the cartoons, and I admit, I don't know much about the cartoons. I just know that in the comic books, when Peter Parker first came into contact with the symbiote, Peter controlled it with his mind and the suit didn't talk to him. He kept the suit on because his costumes were destroyed on the Secret Wars planet and he needed something to protect his secret identity.

[Jason Martell]

Originally posted by seeker515
So posting on the message boards makes people experts on Spider-Man? I thought it was reading the comics and watching the movies, etc.

No, putting "etc, etc" in there didn't make what you were talking about clear. If anyhting, it suggested that we could all assume what was coming next in your origin story... Venom gets on Brock and Brock hates Spider-Man... but that's not what I was questioning.

Yes, I did read the comics. In the comics, the Venom symbiote came from the Secret Wars planet, not the Moon or Mars.

That must be in the cartoons, and I admit, I don't know much about the cartoons. I just know that in the comic books, when Peter Parker first came into contact with the symbiote, Peter controlled it with his mind and the suit didn't talk to him. He kept the suit on because his costumes were destroyed on the Secret Wars planet and he needed something to protect his secret identity.
Read some more books cuz I was talking about the books as for the communication part. Tell me if this is familliar "PPeeeeettttteeeerrrrr! Neeeed Peeeeeeteeeeer!" didn't you ever notice vevom refer to himself as "US". Spidey controlled the suit through the telepathic link. Dugh!

[Jason Martell]

I mentioned the new to the boards, because this discussion has been done several times, so I figured you knew the suit would just tell him he wont hurt him.

[seeker515]

Originally posted by Jason Martell
Read some more books cuz I was talking about the books as for the communication part. Tell me if this is familliar "PPeeeeettttteeeerrrrr! Neeeed Peeeeeeteeeeer!" didn't you ever notice vevom refer to himself as "US". Spidey controlled the suit through the telepathic link. Dugh!
There's really no need for "Dughs" here.

This thread is about the ORIGIN of Venom. The origin you created.

Obviously, the things you are referencing (the suit calling for Peter and calling itself "us") happen AFTER the symbiote has bonded with Spider-Man and has been removed.

This is something that DIDN'T HAPPEN in your version of the origin, or is that what I didn't get in the "etc etc"?

Your version had the symbiote coming into the cell of Eddie Brock. It never bonds with Spider-Man in your version, so, again, why would it want to look like Spider-Man if it had never bonded with him?

[seeker515]

Jason Martell, I apologize. I am either getting your origin story confused with another one I read earlier (all the titles and origins are very similar) or your original story has been edited.

In either case, I apologize. Your story as it is above, with the symbiote coming from Mars instead of the Moon is fine.

I guess the only part I have questions about are why Spider-Man wouldn't try to get this black oozing symbiote off of himself as soon as it got on him.

I certainly don't remember the symbiote talking to Peter Parker and telling him not to be afraid and that he would give Peter great powers in the comics (Secret Wars). Was that in the cartoon?

[Jason Martell]

In the comic it never said don't be afraid, or anything, but when I asked someone the same question you did on these boards, they came up with the idea, of it saying that.
In the cartoon it came from the moon, I don't like that, because nothing can live on the moon. It did talk though in the comics.
The first time it talked was after it escaped from reed richards lab, and tried to bond to peter. It kept saying it needed him, and it talked again in an issue a few months ago, saying it needed eddie, cuz eddie rejected it,

[seeker515]

Yeah, I remember it speaking after it was taken off of Peter Parker, but I didn't think it did when it first got on him.

Now I see that you are suggesting it could in the movie to convince Peter to leave the symbiote on him so it can bond with him.

Then Peter can figure out that its bad, get it off, and it can bond to Eddie Brock who hates Spider-Man.

Are we on the same page now?

[Jason Martell]

totally!
Sorry, for all the dughes, and calling ya new to the boards, I guess originally I didn't explain all the details.
Originally when I heard the moon origin, I had a lot of the same questions you did.

[Jason Martell]

Ya know hwat I think someone who didn't like my idea, registered under several different names and voted like 6 times against it, cuz it went from 3 votes as bad to 8 in like 3 minutes, when nobody had voted since the day before.

[Jason Martell]

There ain't a single thing wrong with this. The secret wars would never happen, and the moon origin, well that ain't as cool as it coming from mars. And the conners messing with the suit,
NO Way No Way, that's messing with two villians origins in one movie. Way too off base, I bet 80% percent of longtime spidey comic fans wouldn't even go to the theatre, if they knew connors was going to be behind the venom suit!

[webslingerj]

Obviously not many people care that much about sticking to the traditional origins. I was a bit peeved at first about Sam and crew futzing around with the story but it works.

I say as long as they can tell a good story that is somewhat compatible with the original I'm all for it. But it has to be a good story.

[berryg13]

ok what if the symbiote is invented by oscorp or peter's dad, it doesn't matter, and a chemical from space mixes with the symbiote to make it crazy or whatever

[seeker515]

Originally posted by webslingerj
Obviously not many people care that much about sticking to the traditional origins. I was a bit peeved at first about Sam and crew futzing around with the story but it works.

I say as long as they can tell a good story that is somewhat compatible with the original I'm all for it. But it has to be a good story.

I agree with you. None of the changes so far have bothered me. Changing the radioactive spider into a genetically engineered spider makes sense because it fits more with the science of the present day.

I think I was such a stickler for the Venom origin just because I don't know a whole lot about the character (it's been a while since I've read the comics) and because Venom's origin in the comics is so complex with his ties to Spider-Man that it seemed like it would be too difficult to do in the movies.

But I think that people on the boards have come up with some good ideas for how it could happen, using pieces of the original comics, but changing them to make them work.

[seeker515]

Originally posted by Jason Martell
And the conners messing with the suit, NO Way No Way, that's messing with two villians origins in one movie. Way too off base, I bet 80% percent of longtime spidey comic fans wouldn't even go to the theatre, if they knew connors was going to be behind the venom suit!
How does this Dr. Connors suit origin go? This is from Ultimates, right? I've gathered from other posts that it is a suit Dr. Connors develops that will help cure all diseases, but something goes wrong and somehow Venom gets created, but can someone please fill in the rest of it? Does the disease-suit become the symbiote, which somehow tries to bond with Spider-Man, and that's why Venom later has the white spider on his chest and has Spidey's powers?

Please help! :o Thanks! :D

[jakeeightythree]

what a symbiot is. I must have missed that or forgotten what it is...so if someone could refresh my memory. thanks

[Jason Martell]

I'm curious if people can tell me what is wrong with my idea, without comparing it to any other idea, especially the crazy idea of connoers making it. Connors is the lizard people, not the birth giver to the symbiote.

[sguy]

It seems you really have a problem with the Conners suit story. It's right from Ultimate Spiderman. Elements from that are in the first movie and the second.

[seeker515]

Originally posted by jakeeightythree
what a symbiot is. I must have missed that or forgotten what it is...so if someone could refresh my memory. thanks
I'm not exactly sure what the definition is, but it kind of means that two different life forms are living together and are helping eachother out. Venom was a symbiote before he became "Venom" because he was "feeding" off of Peter Parker while giving him increased powers. Ultimately, I believe Peter realized the symbiote was more like a parasite and would eventually take over, so he had it removed by the Fantastic Four. The symbiote eventually broke free, bonded with Eddie Brock and became Venom.

I hope that helps. If anyone can add, please do.

[seeker515]

Originally posted by sguy
It seems you really have a problem with the Conners suit story. It's right from Ultimate Spiderman. Elements from that are in the first movie and the second.
I'm just curious about the Connor's suit story because I've never heard of it before I came to these boards. I never read the Ultimate comics. Does the Marvel website still have those online? If so, which one has the origin of Venom? Thanks!

[Jason Martell]

Originally posted by sguy
It seems you really have a problem with the Conners suit story. It's right from Ultimate Spiderman. Elements from that are in the first movie and the second.
this is simply not true, this was not in ultimate spider-man comics or any comics, it was invented by someone on these boards. In Ultimate Spider-Man it turns out that peter's father and Eddie Brock's father were were working on some type of liquid that would eat cancer and ended up creating a black liquid that can change into clothing, and give you super strength.
I don't like that idea. I think we should either go with the 90's cartoon origin or mine, they did not set it up for conners to make it in the movie, they set it up for Jameson to get it in outer space, hello Jameson is an astranaut, we know they ain't going with manwolf.

[Jason Martell]

just posting cuz i am curious what people think of my idea

[Spider Venom81912]

Even though it was in the comics I think the making of the suit by Connors is a bit much.It seems kinda stretched to far from the original.By that I am meaning the 90's Cartoon version (Since the Wars wont happen).I myself am still liking the idea of John bringing it back on the ship,symbiote tries to bond with John causing him to crash the ship.Parker comes saves the day,when he gets home realizes he has a black tar-like liquid on him.Telepathy would make mroe sence than Peter just saying "How about a costume made outa tar!"

Not that the Connors suit idea is a bad one its just a bit much for me to believe a human could invent that.Alien symbiote makes more sence than a human invented ...thing.

[black_cat42]

Originally posted by Jason Martell
In the comic it never said don't be afraid, or anything, but when I asked someone the same question you did on these boards, they came up with the idea, of it saying that.
In the cartoon it came from the moon, I don't like that, because nothing can live on the moon. It did talk though in the comics.
The first time it talked was after it escaped from reed richards lab, and tried to bond to peter. It kept saying it needed him, and it talked again in an issue a few months ago, saying it needed eddie, cuz eddie rejected it,

I thought it came from an asteroid originating from outside the solar system that was conviniently close to Earth in the cartoon. :confused:

Someone asked what a symbiote was. A symbiotic relationship is when two or more organisms interact with one another. A mutually beneficial relationship would be like a ramora and a shark. The shark benefits because the ramora cleans it of parasites and the ramora benefits because the shark scares off other predators. Parasites are a harmful form of symbiosis.
The symbiote in the Spider-man comics is this alien ooze that sticks to a character and makes them stronger and stuff but also tries to take over. Hope that helps.

Oh and there is a version in Ultimates where the Symbiote is man-made. But it is still a living thing. They call it an organic suit Peter's and Eddie's fathers were creating a cure for cancer and Eddie (a college student) had a couple of samples he was working on with Dr. Connors in his lab. They were 12 years old or something so Connors didn't create them. So far it looks like he IS creating Carnage. Having something to do with the Suit and Peter's own blood. They also had a guy named Ben Reilly (Scarlet Spidey connection?) show up.... can't wait for next ish.. :D

[Jason Martell]

I think if it's contained in the mars sample collected on mars by a rover, it would seem more realistic, then in the ninities cartoon,