What DO you want to see in Spiderman 4.

[aliensuit1495]

Originally Posted by kawkaw

Wait a minute, who told Mysterio that Spider-Man has spider-sense? Is this one of those Magneto blocking Professor X's telepathic powers through his helmet gimmick, lame.

Anyway, I'm calling him lame because him being a special effect guy with smoke filled boots, is simply no match for Spider-Man, unless you dumb down Spider-Man, like with most of the comics and cartoons Mysterio is in. Using holograms and passing them off as something real to fight one's opponent is silly, and would look so on film. The fact is, Mysterio doesn't know Spidey has his spider-sense unless he tells him, which means even his illusions are useless against him. A stunt man is a joke when you compare his skills to Spider-Man's, and certainly his fighting skills are not up to par. And how can Mysterio really play well thought out mind games with Spider-Man, if he knows nothing about the man under the mask like Green Goblin?


So, you like the Plant Lady too, eh?

I don't so much mind fanboys liking these off-beat lame villains, but my fear is always that the director of these comic book films feeling the same way, and wanting to use them on film in some weak and misguided way.

Batman should not be fighting a villain who becomes aroused after looking at string beans.

Of course. You make these villians sound lame because you oversimplify them. Any villian will sound like a "Hannah Montana" class villian as you would say the way you describe them. I mean come on, anyone can do that. I can make Doc Ock sound lame. "Oh, he's just a fat guy with 8 arms. LAME." That's not quite accurate, now is it?

You're not doing them justice, if you only looked further in you'll see that these villians are very good and very presentable in movies.

[Ock/Joker fan]

Kawkaw, you sell Poison Ivy very short. She's one seriously deadly villainess.

[Caveboy0]

Originally Posted by Ock/Joker fan

Kawkaw, you sell Poison Ivy very short. She's one seriously deadly villainess.

she's a terrorist, plain and simple.

[web_head_33]

Originally Posted by Ock/Joker fan

Kawkaw, you sell Poison Ivy very short. She's one seriously deadly villainess.

definitely one of batman's deadliest.

[Bucks1]

Originally Posted by BackinBlack07

kawkaw, please watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEkWH8DB7b0&NR=1

This goes for every one of your posts.

I hope you took notes kawkaw

[Bucks1]

Originally Posted by Ock/Joker fan

Kawkaw, you sell Poison Ivy very short. She's one seriously deadly villainess.

Correct you are Ock/Joker fan

[socool83]

Originally Posted by Bucks1

I hope you took notes kawkaw

god i luv u buck

[kawkaw]

Originally Posted by Bucks1

Not in that way I mean there has never been a villian that cares for other things people would do like in Ivy's case Plants.
Every Villian is unique in their own way.
Mysterio can do things that any villian could only dream of.


The Vulture, the electrifying Electro, Kraven the Hunter, master illusionist Mysterio, the Sandman and Doc Ock. The Sinister Six is not nothing without Mysterio but they need him.

You can't really hate every villian.

So I guess you also like TYPEFACE, as well, because he has a variety of letter theme weapons. That's unique too, but like Poison Ivy, he's still lame. Yes, there is something Mysterio can do, turn the Spider-Man franchise into a franchise that needs creative saving, like that of Joel Schumacker's Batman & Robin.

The Sinister Six would be nothing without Doctor Octopus, Mysterio is just a weak add-on.

Magneto, Apocalypse, Omega Red, Sabretooth, Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, Kraven, Electro, The Lizard, Lex Luthor, Ra's Al Ghul, Darkseid, Two-Face, The Joker, Mr. Freeze, etc. No, I like a lot of villains, just not the lame ones.

Originally Posted by Caveboy0

she's a terrorist, plain and simple.

A terrorist who's afraid of a weed wacker, come on people, I'm not selling her short...her creator did that upon her creation. If I want a terrorist, I'll stand at the door of Ra's Al Ghul.

[Arcainite]

Originally Posted by kawkaw

So I guess you also like TYPEFACE, as well, because he has a variety of letter theme weapons. That's unique too, but like Poison Ivy, he's still lame. Yes, there is something Mysterio can do, turn the Spider-Man franchise into a franchise that needs creative saving, like that of Joel Schumacker's Batman & Robin.

The Sinister Six would be nothing without Doctor Octopus, Mysterio is just a weak add-on.

Magneto, Apocalypse, Omega Red, Sabretooth, Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, Kraven, Electro, The Lizard, Lex Luthor, Ra's Al Ghul, Darkseid, Two-Face, The Joker, Mr. Freeze, etc. No, I like a lot of villains, just not the lame ones.A terrorist who's afraid of a weed wacker, come on people, I'm not selling her short...her creator did that upon her creation. If I want a terrorist, I'll stand at the door of Ra's Al Ghul.

Well, Marvel killed Typeface off during the Marvel Civil War. But the letter-themed weapon idea was probably unknowingly inspired by Robin (mainly talking about Tim, but it was probably all of the Robins) who used the letter R instead of a batarang. Yes, it was lame when DC did it too. But Typeface could have adapted his schtick and become cooler. Look at Paste Pot Pete becoming the Trapster. Or Kid Ock becoming Spider-Kid becoming the hellaciously awesome Steel Spider. Just because you start off as "The Kawkaw Kid" wouldn't mean you would have to be known as that forever and that you could never improve your image and gimmicks.

Secondly, Dr. Octopus' leadership is overrated. I like him but he's not a very good team player for someone who put together a "team" of great villains. I can say this because I love Kraven and he's not a good team player either. Nor is Spider-Man or Namor, whom I also love. Their egos get in the way. The Sinister Six would be just fine without any one of their members and if Sandman weren't switching back and forth between good and bad all the time, the proof would already be in the pudding.

Ra's Al Ghul is an assassin more than a terrorist. Most supervillain terrorists have a motivating ideology. But I'd recommend you stand outside HYDRA's door if you're looking for terrorists. Then like Pinky and the Brain from Animaniacs you can "try to take over the world."

[kawkaw]

Originally Posted by aliensuit1495

Of course. You make these villians sound lame because you oversimplify them. Any villian will sound like a "Hannah Montana" class villian as you would say the way you describe them. I mean come on, anyone can do that. I can make Doc Ock sound lame. "Oh, he's just a fat guy with 8 arms. LAME." That's not quite accurate, now is it?

You're not doing them justice, if you only looked further in you'll see that these villians are very good and very presentable in movies.

When pairing off what Doc Ock has to offer as an intellect of science, and the power of his tentacles (which can easily knock over an 18 wheeler, hurl an elephant and peel through steel--at the same time) you have a worthy villain. You can't possibly put a stuntman with cheap polar tricks up against Spider-Man in the same vein, without dumbing down Spidey himself. It's why I've said that they didn't even scratch the surface with Doc Ock and Green Goblin, in what they have to offer on film. But at least I knew that they were worthy villains.

Mysterio is no Green Goblin when it comes to mind games, because he doesn't know his opponent like GG. I simplify the character because he is...simple. Illusions are easily detected in the real world, you can tell it's fake because you're looking at light. No one wants to see a bunch of wasted GCI on objects that can't hurt Spider-Man, especially, if Spidey can detect that there's no real danger. Where do you go from there once Spider-Man knows that he's dealing with illusions, like he does in every freakin' cartoon episode. Then what do you do with the character?

And I hope you're not about say, but Mysterio can build robots to fight Spider-Man. And if you do, I'd rather have Alistair Smythe behind the scenes doing that, but I wouldn't recommend it--unless he's the one who builds SCORPION's battle suit.

[kawkaw]

Originally Posted by Arcainite

Well, Marvel killed Typeface off during the Marvel Civil War. But the letter-themed weapon idea was probably unknowingly inspired by Robin (mainly talking about Tim, but it was probably all of the Robins) who used the letter R instead of a batarang. Yes, it was lame when DC did it too. But Typeface could have adapted his schtick and become cooler. Look at Paste Pot Pete becoming the Trapster. Or Kid Ock becoming Spider-Kid becoming the hellaciously awesome Steel Spider. Just because you start off as "The Kawkaw Kid" wouldn't mean you would have to be known as that forever and that you could never improve your image and gimmicks.

Even Nolan and Christian Bale realized Robin was lame, good for them. I don't know where they got it from and I don't care (although he doesn't remind me of Robin at all) he's lame as hell, and I'm not waiting for useless villains to magically become cool someday.

Secondly, Dr. Octopus' leadership is overrated. I like him but he's not a very good team player for someone who put together a "team" of great villains. I can say this because I love Kraven and he's not a good team player either. Nor is Spider-Man or Namor, whom I also love. Their egos get in the way. The Sinister Six would be just fine without any one of their members and if Sandman weren't switching back and forth between good and bad all the time, the proof would already be in the pudding.

That's mostly because the story of Sinister Six was flawed in its writing in contrast to the characters involved, but that's another story. However, the writers knew that they had to give the leader role to the smartest man of The Six, Doc Ock.

Ra's Al Ghul is an assassin more than a terrorist. Most supervillain terrorists have a motivating ideology. But I'd recommend you stand outside HYDRA's door if you're looking for terrorists. Then like Pinky and the Brain from Animaniacs you can "try to take over the world."

Without a doubt Ra's Al Ghul would easily be called a terrorist, if he did what he does in America (a la Gotham) I think the name terrorist suits what he does very well.

Here's how his character is described when viewing his bio:

Ra's al Ghul is an international terrorist and assassin whose ultimate goal is a world in perfect environmental balance. He believes that the best way to achieve this balance is to eliminate most of humanity. Ra's usually tries to assault the world's human populace with a biological weapon, such as a genetically-engineered virus.

Trust me, he's a terrorist. With many similarities to Bin Laden. This my friend is what a VILLAIN is.

[socool83]

Originally Posted by kawkaw

Trust me, he's a terrorist. With many similarities to Bin Laden. This my friend is what a VILLAIN is.

so u have to be a terrorist to be a a villain? man, there must be a lot of pansy characters out there...

[kawkaw]

Who said that? I'm stating that I think he's a great villain, who's not even a popular Batman villain. No one said you have to be a terrorist to be a villain, but I'd like it if they have some bad in them somewhere. I like evil in my villains.

[Bucks1]

Originally Posted by kawkaw

Without a doubt Ra's Al Ghul would easily be called a terrorist, if he did what he does in America (a la Gotham) I think the name terrorist suits what he does very well.

Here's how his character is described when viewing his bio:

Ra's al Ghul is an international terrorist and assassin whose ultimate goal is a world in perfect environmental balance. He believes that the best way to achieve this balance is to eliminate most of humanity. Ra's usually tries to assault the world's human populace with a biological weapon, such as a genetically-engineered virus.

Trust me, he's a terrorist. With many similarities to Bin Laden. This my friend is what a VILLAIN is.

Lets just clear this up Ra's is a international terrorist, Assassin and is one of Batman's greatest enemies but as for being like Bin Laden:
He only Terrorist acts are against Batman and his family not the whole Country in Bin Laden's case.

As for Typeface he is a villian with a strange background and he is not bad for a crazy shirtless guy with an alphabet obsession he is like Marvel's Calendar Man.

[socool83]

Originally Posted by kawkaw

Who said that? I'm stating that I think he's a great villain, who's not even a popular Batman villain. No one said you have to be a terrorist to be a villain.

uh...

Originally Posted by kawkaw

This my friend is what a VILLAIN is.

....uh-huh...

[Jick08]

Ra's terrorism is only applied to Batman?
Hum.....I think he goes beyond that, doesn't him?

[socool83]

Originally Posted by Jick08

Ra's terrorism is only applied to Batman?
Hum.....I think he does goes beyond that, doesn't him.

idk i never payed attention to him. i always found him boring...

[Bucks1]

Originally Posted by Jick08

Ra's terrorism is only applied to Batman?
Hum.....I think he goes beyond that, doesn't him?

Yeah his terrorism is mainly targeted at Batman and Gotham City.

[Bucks1]

Originally Posted by socool83

idk i never payed attention to him. i always found him boring...

He was a bit boring for me too.

[kawkaw]

Originally Posted by socool83

uh...
....uh-huh...

I can see you like to have things explained to you like a little child. Here you go Jr., it means opposed to the sympathetic wuss worthy villains Raimi gives us. You know, the ones who Avi Arad said are not really bad.